Do you actually read my post? I compared N8 to a 1/1.7" camera.
As far as 808, you have to compare it to a camera with a similar sensor size. Now go to flickr and show me why RX100 or Nikon 1 has worse image quality than 808.
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Do you actually read my post? I compared N8 to a 1/1.7" camera.
As far as 808, you have to compare it to a camera with a similar sensor size. Now go to flickr and show me why RX100 or Nikon 1 has worse image quality than 808.
The LX5 has a really small sensor. I'd love to see some citations about it beating entry level DSLRs in anything but resolution.
5MP, 8MP--makes no difference to me. I was just explaining how it works.
I wonder if it's something that's "patentable." Maybe it would be due to the fact they can call it a mobile device or something, otherwise Nikon's DSLR's have a crop mode that is akin to "zooming." All cameras and phones have oversampling to create a smaller image - output size - as well, so that part is certainly not new.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
And all this time I thought there was some software "magic", now I just found out pureview is just a big ass sensor that anyone can slap on their phones.
I just checked iSuppli's iPhone 4s cost teardown, they valued the camera component at $18. IMO 808's camera assemply cost significantly more. The sensor (and lens) is at lease 7 times bigger than the iPhone's camera.
I wouldn't be surprised if the camera assembly cost Nokia $150-200.
Nokia can do it because its traditional a non-US prepaid market company. Its easier to add $100 on top of the $600 phone; but its a lot harder for a phone company to add $100 on top of the on-contract $199 price.
But the market is going this way. I can see in 5 years the smartphone cameras will replace the small, 3x zoom point and shoot market entirely. Camera companies need to go with bigger sensor/higher zoom ratio, or die.
I wouldn't be surprised if the camera assembly cost Nokia $150-200.
Nokia can do it because its traditional a non-US prepaid market company. Its easier to add $100 on top of the $600 phone; but its a lot harder for a phone company to add $100 on top of the on-contract $199 price.
But the market is going this way. I can see in 5 years the smartphone cameras will replace the small, 3x zoom point and shoot market entirely. Camera companies need to go with bigger sensor/higher zoom ratio, or die.
brotkasten
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Of course it has a big ass sensor. But it is a big ass sensor coupled with software that does the oversampling. Of course it could have been done before like this. But no one has. Not from a big ass sensor like that. And not on a phone. It has a two fold effect, effectively no need for optical zoom and the noise reduction is fantastic. Lessens the need for a seperate device. More convergence. Plus they get to name it, which has great marketing repercussions, even if others can do it. Much like Retina.
Steelyuhas
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I have a Titan. I was in an MS store the other day they had a Titan II in there. Goddamn the casing for that is so much nicer than the original. I was jelly.
I had both and definitely prefer the original Titan. The Titan 2 is much fatter and the curve makes it seem even larger than it already is. Not to mention the cheap plastic case vs. the cold aluminum one on the Titan. Keep what you have and enjoy the better product.
Steelyuhas
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Hmm interesting. The one in the store hadthe security thing on the back, so I couldn't get a full feel of it in my hand, but the case felt better from what I did feel.
Doesn't matter, I'm not doing anything why my Titan, still in contract for another 16 months.
NeOak
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No, its can't be that expensive. Nokia makes a huge fucking profit in every smartphone they sell vs cost when its produced by them.
And please don't forget that the Apple zerg pay like 200 more for a extra 48GB memory when it costs what? 10 bucks? And that is a 2yr contract price.
videogamer
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Weren't we just talking about trolls?
Cute Dragon Here
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A mysterious NOKIA Update for Windows Phone just hit my already-Tango Lumia 900. I wonder what it does?
Lumia 900 version 2175.2101.8779.12201: Enhanced sensitivity for proximity sensor performance and improvement to your phones screen colours in low light conditions
- Lumia 710 version 1600.3031.8779.12180: Internet sharing (Wi-Fi Hotspot) Share your phones internet connection over Wi-Fi with up to five other devices or computers and Flip to silence Silence incoming calls by turning your phone face down.
- Lumia 610 version 1066.0000.8779.12201: Enhanced sensitivity for proximity sensor performance and improved sound level for alarm tone during voice calls
Talking about PureView: Nokia boosts imaging know-how with exclusive technologies, brains and IP from Scalado.
Thanks Nokia, for backing me up on this, lol.
Wasn't showing up for mine this morning. I'll see what happens when i get home.
Cute Dragon Here
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I got this one. Strange that something needed fixing in the first place, as I didn't notice anything wrong in low light...?
The galaxy nexus line sells because its the un-screwed up version of android made with google themselves signing off. Look at the nexus7 tablet selling well for the same reason. Each device needs to have it's selling point to get people to want them and after years of crappy android that userbase was and is desperate for the "apple" treatment. The same thing will happen with surface (because its made by ms).... they will sell as many as they make. The question will be how many do they make.
Windows Phone devices in general have suffered from the "it does nothing better than the competition" syndrome. If nokia is smart and brands their lumia pureview as the "real" camera phone that could be their ticket to get their devices in the general consumers hands.
Fjolle
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No no no. The galaxy line is still screwed up and has nothing to do with google. The nexus line is what google signed off on, and they sold like a couple of 100k...
I meant galaxy nexus (and nexus7 tablet)... edited my post to reflect what I meant.
VanMardigan
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Box app is out, nice and clean. Your move, dropbox.
And most importantly, a free 50 gigs courtesy of Qualcomm
lastflowers
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MANDATORY REQUIRED MS SCHILL POST RELATED TO DROPBOX/BOX:
Why don't you just use Skydrive!?
[But seriously, I have a dropbox and used it religously in school until last summer when I discovered skyDrive. All seem pretty good.]
Why don't you just use Skydrive!?
[But seriously, I have a dropbox and used it religously in school until last summer when I discovered skyDrive. All seem pretty good.]
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
SkyDrive works best on my phone, dropbox works best across my desktops/laptops, and Box gives me the most free storage (50gb), so I use all three.
I don't mean to derail the thread but on an unrelated note, in WP is there a setting somewhere that I can use to toggle 3G connectivity? I know on my iPhone and my previous 3G phones there was always a setting I could change to turn 3G off. I've looked all over the settings page but I can't seem to find one, is there no option?
settings>cellular.
VanMardigan
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That doesn't work on all carriers. You may need to hack the registry or unlock the phone depending on your model.
Also, my brother's 3gs broke and he bought a Focus Flash, that is one slick little phone. My brother likes it a lot, and I was impressed with the compact size and hand feel. The smaller screen also helps with dpi.
Also, my brother's 3gs broke and he bought a Focus Flash, that is one slick little phone. My brother likes it a lot, and I was impressed with the compact size and hand feel. The smaller screen also helps with dpi.
Nice! Yeah I'm really liking it so far. I think its a great phone considering its price. My only real issue with it so far is I'm not too impressed with the battery life. I only get about 12-14 hours out of the battery with light to moderate use throughout the day.
Frost, I looked there but the only option I have is to turn the data off completely. Maybe this phone or ATT just doesn't give me the option.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Did you get your phone new or used? It might just be an older bad battery or something which you could scout around for a replacement.
September 5th is a month and two weeks away ;-)
I am an idiot.
brotkasten
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A winky face, he knows something! Get him, guys!
that should turn only the 3g off, don't worry
Fjolle
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I've been saying that for months...
It's Nokia, they will show more than 2 phones. I was hoping that MS would preview Apollo before as it would be a bit weird for everyone else that it is revealed at a Nokia event.
I bought my father an Omnia W (European version of Focus Flash), and his phone easily makes it trough a day (24+ hours).
brotkasten
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-1500mah-...506134?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27c9641d96
It may or may not burn your house down and kill your family.
Microsoft BUILD 2012 developer conference announced, starts October 30th in Redmond
Hopefully we hear more much earlier than that though, haha. That's a bit too late
Hopefully we hear more much earlier than that though, haha. That's a bit too late
VanMardigan
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Way late. Early September seems like the probable date for an Apollo consumer features blowout, though I'd prefer it in August.
Early to mid November for new phones also is looking like the smart bet. We should have info on those phones, hands on impressions, and maybe even an engadget/verge OS review by October.
Early to mid November for new phones also is looking like the smart bet. We should have info on those phones, hands on impressions, and maybe even an engadget/verge OS review by October.
The only thing I know about Windows Phone right now is that, unless unannounced stuff about Windows Phone 8 surprises the ever-lovin' shit out of me in completely unexpected ways, I'm probably going back to the iPhone this Fall.
brotkasten
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Aw man, that's harsh. What is it that you dislike about the current platform and how is v8 not enough?
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