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brotkasten
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Why would I care about that? The decision not to upgrade first and second generation devices doesn't affect me in any way, because I would get a new phone anyways. And why would developers be angry, after Microsoft confirmed that all 7.x apps work on Apollo and probably on Windows RT as well?
The other problem this presents, is that with how much MS has been focusing on ensuring current apps are compatible with WP8, it's a safe bet that apps written for WP8 won't be backwards-compatible. So in this case, not only are 1st and 2nd generation phones not getting an update, they won't be getting any new apps?
Fjolle
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12070 is the latest update, and should be out for every phone by today. I got the notification a day after it was released for my phone so you should wait a day or two and see if it wont ask you for an update soon.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
What a horrible week this has been for the Windows Phone platform. Some of it deserved, some of it unfair. Still, with sales of the 900 seemingly outpacing any other phone ever released on the platform, its just a slap in the face to Nokia and current owners if MS confirms no upgrades or even if they stay mum on the issue.
This has the potential to snuff out what little momentum the 900 is managing.
This has the potential to snuff out what little momentum the 900 is managing.
Can someone help me find a place to unlock my Rogers-locked Lumia 900? I need a place that takes PayPal and costs less than $10. I'd take me 2ish weeks to transfer funds from my bank to my PayPal so I only have $10 to work with. I don't have a phone anymore (gave back my friend's BB Storm) so I need to unlock this phone ASAP. 
I still say its very telling nokia was not trumpeting the fact (if it was true) that the 900 would get apollo at launch....
I guess I'm just concerned on what effects it will have on the possible success of the platform. If this is the case, Microsoft hopefully has something clever up their sleeves for the application platform. This is how I see it playing out if Apollo is a break from WP 7.X:
1. Two essentially independent OSes, WP 7.X (for Tango+ devices, which will still be coming out) and WP 8.X devices
2. Two application platforms, WP 7.X supports one, WP 8.X supports both
If Windows 8 is the real catalyst for Windows Phone 8 apps, we'll see all WP 7.X devices pretty much left out in the cold. I don't see developers maintaining two independent code bases. This would be fragmentation of the worst kind.
Anton Sugar
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Didn't MS only recently acknowledge "Apollo" or v.Next? I wouldn't take silence from them as a sign for anything.
they very quickly squashed the WP7->WP8 application rumors. Their response to this latest rumor? WP7 apps will work on WP8, other then that we have nothing else to comment on ... not the most inspiring response
I don't think you understood what I was saying. basically im with the 1st gen gets NO update, 2nd gen does get the update crowd.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I actually don't know if I should be counseling my wife to trade in the 900 for another phone. The upgrade situation is bad enough, but if the app market is split and she won't be able to run the latest apps on her phone, I know she'll be furious. I hope we get some clarity soon, at least before her 30 day return period is up.
Well, one thing they can guarantee, WP7 apps will work on WP8. They can't guarantee what devices get WP8 because that is ultimately up to the carriers and OEMs. They can't say all phones will get WP8 for the same ways that Google can't say all phones will get ICS.
I really can't see NO phones getting it. I can't believe it would be that crazy
when you have rumors saying NO phones will get it, you dont have to change the subject. "Updates are on a phone by phone basis, timing is dependent on the carriers and phone manufacturers"... thats vague enough but still should make people happy
just give me the files and I'll do it myself. The thing is out of warranty by then away.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
This is what has always happened, you can get the 8107 update and put it on your phone in 15 minutes. Most of us in this thread had the mango beta as well. So I'm hoping there is no structural problem where we CAN'T just run a leaked build of Apollo. Then my wife would be SOL with a dead end device in six months. We would both be furious.
There's a difference between lying and running with a story that hasn't been fully vetted.
They've demonstrated the latter already with regards to WP
I am sure Nokia knows what's going on.
Yeah, true. They are obviously bulding WP8 devices. Don't they have a show in September? Really hope we find out about Apollo before then.
Fjolle
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My source said april-may last week.
brotkasten
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Tango is already RTM and devices are already available in markets where it matters. Regular users don't really benefit from it, so there's no real pressure to release it asap. Tango is not even on the NoDo level of importance, unless MMS is a make-or-break feature for you.
There's MMS and performance improvements. Thats enough reason to try and get it out as soon as possible.
brotkasten
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8107 was more important than Tango.
I'm with AT&T, Samsung Focus Flash, and am still waiting on 8107. Hopefully, the Tango update pulls 8107 with it.
If you're on AT&T, there's a benefit
It's sad. I really dig the new MMS functionality, but AT&T messaging rates (only offering, $20 for unlimited) has made me move to google voice for normal texting. So no MMS for me except in special circumstances
It does.
Any update includes all prior changes. AT&T supposedly committed to offering all 'major' revisions (ie. NoDo, Mango, Tango) ... they've just been skipping the minor updates, and instead leaving us hanging until we get them via the next major revision.
Nah, I'm pretty happy with the phone overall. Waiting a month or two for the next update isn't going to bother me, plus the fear of bricking the thing...
Don't feel bad for Nokia, they took almost a year to change the software on a phone and re-release it with a new name. They're losing my respect pretty quickly. I was all in on an Apollo Nokia handset but if they aren't bringing the heat in the camera department (their ONLY strength) then I'm tapped out.
Fjolle
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You obviously don't have any idea about what it takes to make a phone, and it was two months.
Also they have stated that they didn't have enough access to the camera in Mango, so we wouldn't see pureview phones with WP till fall.
Anton Sugar
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brotkasten
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We know that OEMs are allowed to skin the camera in Apollo, but I hope that's all. I don't want tiles with gradient or images as background or other bullshit.
This is a message to Microsoft and the remaining Windows Phone OEMs:
Don't. Fuck. With. Metro.
Cutting down on the price, I would think.
Nokia holding back those cards for the Lumia 1000. Hail the Jesusphone.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
i am sure theyl let you go back to default metro skin.
oh man ... such fail
Cost. I don't know why people keep comparing this phone to iPhone and high-end Android units. It's not like BSI's are common in mid-range and lower phones.
Differentiation!!
brotkasten
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You mean like they're doing it on Android, right?
Good Job Bob
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brotkasten
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We should post every other terrible mockup people came up with. The last disgusting one was the WP8 mockup from last week.
A Nokia UI designer made that.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/nokias-complete-redesign-of-windows-phone
Good lord, lets keep MS doing the design please.
Anton Sugar
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I guess it's just disappointing. It's not anywhere near a deal-breaker for me, but I feel like they had lauded the camera in the months prior, especially when we saw sample N9 pics. Oh well--it's still my next phone.
Taptitude - a Windows Phone Success Story
The devs are also responding to comments in the HN discussion
The devs are also responding to comments in the HN discussion
Good Job Bob
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Seems like a pretty shit app.
antiquegamer
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It's got delay so carrier can "test" the new build.
In another bad news on top of string of bad news, Windows Phone just lost the new marketing manager they poach from Samsung. Loosing just hire guys can't boast well for moral or direction.
Speaking of that, while I do know that people change job, and move on, it seems Microsoft have a string of high profile personnel change lately.
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