Yeah, if it's another fiasco like their E3 press conference, I'd start to worry (even more).
From what I've read, they had their reasons with that one. Still, MS has to figure out how to get the cool stuff on WP FIRST.
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Yeah, if it's another fiasco like their E3 press conference, I'd start to worry (even more).
From what I've read, they had their reasons with that one. Still, MS has to figure out how to get the cool stuff on WP FIRST.
brotkasten
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It's a developer conference. Why would it be anything like E3 or CES? Some of you guys are way too negative here.
We learned from the best, i.e. you ;-)
Not sure if serious.
brotkasten
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So, apparently an update from 7.x to 8.0 will definitely not be possible, due to the kernel change.
Instead Microsoft is working on a feature update for Windows Phone 7.5, which includes some or most of the Apollo features.
"Most customers won't care about the OS version, as long as they get the same features."
Instead Microsoft is working on a feature update for Windows Phone 7.5, which includes some or most of the Apollo features.
"Most customers won't care about the OS version, as long as they get the same features."
Fjolle
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Huh? Source?
While I kinda agree with the last part, that doesn't really sound like the most elegant. Or efficient solution. Oh well.
brotkasten
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It's basically what Samsung did with some of their Android phones, that couldn't be upgraded to ICS, because they didn't have enough RAM.
Will there be app compatibility? As in will WP7 able to use apps developed after WP8 is released.
brotkasten
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frontieruk
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anon said:
Calling BS unless ms planned from the outset not to support older handsets
I don't see how the kernal change would matter, it'll still support ARM.
brotkasten
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There is no single ARM version. Every version has to be compiled for a different SoC. For example, Windows RT for Tegra 3 won't run on a Qualcomm S4 tablet.
I keep reading that but I never quite understood why it is any different than AMD/Intel. They don't use the same instruction set?
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Yeah, if they pull a Google (or actually do what they said they would) and deliver major changes to maps, IE, the market, the hubs, etc. 99% of people won't care that it's technically not Apollo.
I would still care.
One of the reasons the furor over android fragmentation died outside of fanboy and hardcore circles is that Google delivered updates to their key apps to gingerbread phones.
I would still care.
One of the reasons the furor over android fragmentation died outside of fanboy and hardcore circles is that Google delivered updates to their key apps to gingerbread phones.
Vanillalite
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It's all driver support. As long as the driver support for the chipset is there it'll run. I get that each chipset needs to be individually supported (duh!) but it's not like the Win RT Kernel has to be redone or anything. It just has to have the obvious extra driver work put in.
Only cock block would be RAM limitations, but Win RT has a really small footprint even on the desktop. This would be the only area I could see screwing WP7 devices if they think they can't get the kernel small enough to still make the OS usable and not use up all of the 512 RAM.
PS: Put me in Troll's Camp. Still on my OG Focus and I can tell I probably should get a new battery in the next few months. I'm OOC in July though so instead of a battery I could go phone shopping OC. I need to see something teased because I have really mixed emotions about MS right now.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Off or on contract, buying a phone in July is probably a bad idea regardless of platform. If I were forced, I'd probably buy a lumia or galaxy nexus off contract, then sell that in the fall when all the big guns come out.
That "feature update" better include all the new APIs that developers will be able to target for WP8.
Vanillalite
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Oh I don't plan on actually getting something in July. More of I'm OOC so I'm ready to jump in as soon as the 1st big thing releases that catches my eye. So it's a rush of who can prove to me I should get that and get it out before the competition.
July is bad for Windows Phone/iOS, but the SGSIII will only be a month old and the HTC One X probably only two.
Correct. Otherwise all those WP7 owners will not be contributing to the WP8 developed app's consumer base. Which in turn, means that developers using WP8 APIs would essentially be starting with a base of 0. Which in turn means that for WP7 owners to get new apps, developers would need to still be making WP7 compatible versions. Which means that MS better make that easy as fuck. Fragmentation incoming fellows.
...where is Carcassonne?? Probably waiting for Apollo
Don't make me cry. I want that game so badly. I never got it when I had an iPhone and I love bo-games. I need me some.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Both of those phones are nice, but if it were my money and 2 year contract, I'd wait. I think we will have a rush of awesome phones in the fall, if you're not buying those two phones on release it would be better to wait rather than use up your valuable contract upgrade.
One X doesn't have removable battery and expandable storage (both important to android), Galaxy S3 is one of the ugliest phones in existence, never bothered to update its camera hardware, and comes with a pentile screen. We will get better this fall.
You think so? From what I've noticed, Android are OEMs are pretty much on a one year cycle as well and I think Samsung and HTC have already played their hands.
Anything that comes out after this is going to be some minor variation of the SGSIII and HTC One. Last year from Samsung we got... the SGSII, SGSII with LTE, and SGSII with big screen (Note).
I guess there is a chance for someone like LG (I think there is a rumor that they will have a quad S4) can stir things up a little.
It's nice to dream eh?
Vanillalite
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Hate on me GAF, but I think a Galaxy Note II either Android or Windows Phone style might be cool. As each day passes the cooler that sounds to me.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
What are you doubting? That we'll have better phones out on all platforms this fall than what we have now? Is that a stretch in your view?
brotkasten
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Windows phones will be behind the curve, simply because of the extra testing between OS/carriers.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
For Android it's a stretch other than if we get another Nexus phone. I say this only because there isn't going to be another new chip set that I can see that would be ready in time between now and then. Some phones got LTE remixes before, but that's pretty much standard now.
Outside of releasing something like the Note I don't see in Android land what else they can do currently phone and chipset wise other than other companies like LG releasing their version of a GSIII or One X.
Complex Shadow
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We've been behind the curve before there was a curve. At this point we just wanna see what makes appollo so goddamn amazing. I heard it eats rainbows and shits unicorns.
And for me Appollo will be the deciding factor between droid / wp / ios. And since I ve already seen what ios can do, i would like to try droid next and actually try the OS before bashing it in with a hammer.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
As much as I hate the cheap feel and hideous design of Samsung phones, that plastic they use is pretty durable. I dropped my phone this morning and the back plate flew off plus the screen bottom disconnected, really scary looking fall. Everything just snapped back in. I do hope my phone breaks when Apollo phones release. ;-)
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
I've dropped the shit out of my focus and popped it back in. Granted the plastic feels cheap, but oh well. The phone is so frick'n light I'll take it.
PS: Ugh I hate dealing with insurance companies. Definitely gets my anxiety problem heightened.
Good Job Bob
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The Lumia series is very durable as well, and they have the benefit of not looking and feeling like you got them out of a quarter machine.
Thank you sir, will try that when I get home
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