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from a leaked steve ballmer email:
i wonder if that is a hint at more devices or just talking about the surface.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39059494&postcount=5381
i wonder if that is a hint at more devices or just talking about the surface.
Simple, if MS doesn't show an OS that is going to legitimately compete with iOS6 then it's time to switch. There is no reason to stay with a platform who's most recent release is comparable with the competitions last gen iterations.
If MS can show they have that, then we can all stay and be happy. If Apollo is an answer to iOS 5 then we should all bookmark the iOS OT.
I like Elop's letters more.
How do you determine how WPX matches up to iOSX? There are some differences in core capabilities for sure, but there are so many things that WP does differently that it is really hard to compare.
If they can plug some holes in the multitasking and continue to do their own thing I'll be happy.
If they can plug some holes in the multitasking and continue to do their own thing I'll be happy.
Video editing, Picture editing, Tellme software that can combat Siri and S Voice, Turn by turn, Better map integration, Way better multi tasking, back up your shit on the comp finally, Better Browsing (No excuse not to do things like share tabs with IE 10), bake skydrive into everything and make the app useless, SCREEN SHOTS....
Thats literally all of the top of my head, I am sure if I were to look at a feature comparison I could find 5x more.
Waiting for someone to extract Office for Windows RT and run it on Wine on Android.
Steelyuhas
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Office 15 public beta.
Glad to hear that it's still in the plans for the next few weeks. They said June for public beta when they started the technical preview and there hasn't been a peep since.
Windows RT PE Tomorrow.
Nice quick barometer. Pretty solid expectationsfor tomorrow for me too, gotta call a ditto.
I forgot about Universal Search, that is one thing I really miss from iOS
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Is anyone else just going to watch the livestream and ignore Thurrott's post? That's what I am going to do, so I'll be back in the thread after the show. I don't want to have that guy ruin anything for me.
Unknown Soldier
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They were able to break Mac OS X which requires something very similar and make it install on other computers. I suspect they will be able to break WinRT as well in a similar way.
HP won't do it, the Palm division is essentially empty at this point and even the open-source WebOS project is close to dead due to all the employees abandoning ship for other companies.
If there is still a community developing for the Touchpad when WinRT ships, someone will try to find a way. If not, well, CM9 for Touchpad is running great these days, everything is working now except for the camera.
brotkasten
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I hope you already bookmarked the iOS 6 thread.
iMovie and iPhoto are paid apps. Not really fair to ask for their features to be integrated..
There isn't really a benefit to integrating stuff like that anyway. WP makes it very easy to get to the necessary apps from the image/video.
I wonder how dev focused the information will be, since it was originally the WP Dev summit. We might not even find out about many of the consumer facing features. We'll see
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
The correct answer is: re-schedule the chiropractor appointment.
Also, all the hp touchpad talk is silly. That device exemplifies the differences between what someone like soldier wants and what most people want. I made the touchpad op, I fought that device and software and tweaked it extensively. But that's not what I wanted to keep doing, so I sold it and bought an iPad. Anybody who has any sense and the money would've done the same, or at least gotten an actual android tablet.
Next time you see soldier post about windows phone and why it sucks, remember the guy is content with a tablet that dual boots operating systems, has no official support, and even half a year later doesn't have a working camera on the android boot. To each his own.
Honestly I kinda like the idea of missing the announcement and coming back and being blown away or catching up on a shit storm. I honestly think their will be neither. Just a decent amount of information and MS holding back on feature announcements for some odd reason.
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So confirmation of no upgrade for current devices?
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/6/20/3098768/lumia-900-t-mobile-germany-rejection-windows-phone
I find it interesting that with an increase in interest in the US for Nokia the EU has been slowing
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/6/20/3098768/lumia-900-t-mobile-germany-rejection-windows-phone
I find it interesting that with an increase in interest in the US for Nokia the EU has been slowing
brotkasten
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Seems to be a pretty good reason not to offer the device.
brotkasten
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You have to follow the thread in the T-Mobile forum. It started two weeks ago with customers asking and bitching about the Lumia 900 and all they got told was that T-Mobile doesn't have any plans yet. Customers kept bitching and then finally that rep came with an answer that is "more than just a 'we don't have any plans for this device'".
http://translate.googleusercontent....i-euch&usg=ALkJrhgwJ6SSi-7JH5RH7KNP9XuRN4UxZw
Maybe when it first released but now its definitely not worth it to carry it.
Vanillalite
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Today's the Day!
brotkasten
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But the 900 was released a month ago in Europe.
Oh. Well. Bad on Nokia then.
Kamakazie!
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I can't see that being true. They are increasing support for low end phones so supporting the slightly older hardware in the 710 / 800 / 900 should he straight forward.
I also hope not as my 800 just arrived!
I also hope not as my 800 just arrived!
brotkasten
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Return the Lumia?
brotkasten
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Because it's her job to get info like that for the bitching customers? Again, read the thread.
Customer: Where is the Lumia 900 for T-Mobile
Rep: We don't have any plans to offer the Lumia 900
Customer: Why not? This is BS, you're supposed to be the premier carrier for Windows Phone!
Another customer: Get the pitchforks!
Another rep chimes in: Alright, alright. So I asked around, because you kept bitching. Here is why:
Fjolle
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I read it.. They also talks about a Lumia 1000 in that thread ffs...
From the wording it sounds like one of the supporters reads the verge and concluded that it is impossible to update the software at all on the Lumia.
If the update information was available to telco customer supporters we would have gotten confirmations about it everywhere.
BTW! The Teched EU WP track will be published after the event today
Fjolle
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brotkasten
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Some say that a thread for this event wouldn't even go beyond 3 pages and still crash the NeoGAF database.
All we know is nothing.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Brot, you're being a bigger wet towel than usual. Chill the fuck out dude.
And to the people freaking out over their phone not getting Apollo: Even if the current handsets dont get Apollo, that does not mean you won't get official software support from MS. Updates to core services are still possible, many even remotely without the need for firmware. Lets just see what they have to say at the conference, this is the worst possible time to freak out. I have a phone too, so it's not like I dont have a dog in this fight.
And to the people freaking out over their phone not getting Apollo: Even if the current handsets dont get Apollo, that does not mean you won't get official software support from MS. Updates to core services are still possible, many even remotely without the need for firmware. Lets just see what they have to say at the conference, this is the worst possible time to freak out. I have a phone too, so it's not like I dont have a dog in this fight.
Predictions:
WP7 to WP8 is possible
Device upgradablity to WP8 will be dependent on manufacture and/or carrier
No new devices shown today
WP8 Release window announced
Tango Release window announced
Developer's will be able to download WP8 next month
Skype not built into the OS
WP7 to WP8 is possible
Device upgradablity to WP8 will be dependent on manufacture and/or carrier
No new devices shown today
WP8 Release window announced
Tango Release window announced
Developer's will be able to download WP8 next month
Skype not built into the OS
brotkasten
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Considering the current market share, it can't cost them more than the RROD.
Its like an Android thread up I'm here.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I'm not sure it could be more clear that wp7 devices won't get the upgrade. I mean, it could happen, but a lot of well-connected people would have to be wrong, and not one reliable source has stated we will get Apollo.
So we can start by assuming that we won't get it and then hope that we at least get a subset of features, and on that front, I think there are good signals coming from leaks.
Edit: Copernicus, you are right, I'm getting flashbacks to my time with an android phone, and its not a good feeling. I think we were all hoping MS would be more like apple in terms of updates, but we've known for a year now that it's not the case. Carriers can screw things up, and now apparently so can Microsoft.
So we can start by assuming that we won't get it and then hope that we at least get a subset of features, and on that front, I think there are good signals coming from leaks.
Edit: Copernicus, you are right, I'm getting flashbacks to my time with an android phone, and its not a good feeling. I think we were all hoping MS would be more like apple in terms of updates, but we've known for a year now that it's not the case. Carriers can screw things up, and now apparently so can Microsoft.
its most likely going to just be in name only. It'll get most features except ones where MS deems the experience will be ruined due to limited RAM and chipset (they've used the excuse with Tango), but I dont think most people are going to notice much of a difference besides when they go into about phone and see the version.
That being said, for a wholesale kernel/arch change i just dont see customer service wanting to deal with it. Its not that its not physically possible, but its probably not something that can be reliably done over the air or something you want to let customers do since it would be a wholesale reprogram of the phone... but if you can barely tell the difference, who cares.
It's not an Android thread until someone starts up a battery management discussion. "How many backup batteries do I need to make it through a work day?"
already have battery bitching in this thread.
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