Windows president says platform is "evolving into an agentic OS," gets cooked in the replies — "Straight up, nobody wants this"

Is AI the Future of OS


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Don't diss my man Satya. Under his command Microsoft grew 10X. The motherfucker knows what he is doing and he started as an entry level employee at Microsoft. None of that "I was there when the company started so it's my turn to be CEO" shit.

Despite what a lot of people belive, Microsoft is full of very capable people. I can say this based on experience. That doesn't mean everyone there knows what they are doing or that they are pefect at executing.

If you guys are keeping track then you know I'm an AI believer. This doesn't mean I believe the tech is perfect because it's not, it's far from that. Also, I can't say for sure ASI/AGI will be a reality within our lifetimes but what I can tell you is that this is the closest we have evern been at at least emulating intelligence. Yes, even with all the hallucinations, costs and security vulnerabilities. A few decades back when the Internet was in it's infancy it was riddled with all kinds of security vulnerabilities and bugs. Microsoft was one of the first companies that actually saw the potential behind that technology. Imagine looking at a website back in 1994 and saying: "this shit will go nowhere, it looks like crap compared to my word document". Yes, there were people that thought that way but look at where we are now.

All this shit is completely transitional but unlike back in the early 90's when nobody but a select few had the chance to access high end tech, we are all exposed to it and can take advantage of it even if it's far from perfect. I draw fucking strategy plans for the company I work for getting help from Gemini and it has improved the quality and speed of my work like no other tech in the last 15 years. I still read the books but I don't need to take notes (that would make reading the book 3x slower). I can read it, load it into one of my Gems and pull specific knowledge I need.

None of this will replace the usual interfaces we all know and love. At least not while there is people like us that still want to use them. Future generations will probably have less of an issue jumping into something totally different. Humans are just not great at adapting to change. There is no way that the only way to interact with Windows in the near future will be voice because there are many situations where it is not appropriate. For example: an office environment or people that want to use a computer for something during a call or whatever.

These guys are not stupid (OK, some of them are) and many of them are certified geniuses in whatever discipline you can imagine. If they are placing a huge bet on stuff like this is because they genuinely believe there is a chance it might pan out.

Luckily tech research and advancement presses on despite the reluctance from some members. Like that quote that floats around the web and that they attribute to Henry Ford (although most likely he didn't say it): "If I asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses". End users not always know what they want, specially when we are talking about radically different - reality changing technology.
 
Don't diss my man Satya. Under his command Microsoft grew 10X. The motherfucker knows what he is doing and he started as an entry level employee at Microsoft. None of that "I was there when the company started so it's my turn to be CEO" shit.

Despite what a lot of people belive, Microsoft is full of very capable people. I can say this based on experience. That doesn't mean everyone there knows what they are doing or that they are pefect at executing.

If you guys are keeping track then you know I'm an AI believer. This doesn't mean I believe the tech is perfect because it's not, it's far from that. Also, I can't say for sure ASI/AGI will be a reality within our lifetimes but what I can tell you is that this is the closest we have evern been at at least emulating intelligence. Yes, even with all the hallucinations, costs and security vulnerabilities. A few decades back when the Internet was in it's infancy it was riddled with all kinds of security vulnerabilities and bugs. Microsoft was one of the first companies that actually saw the potential behind that technology. Imagine looking at a website back in 1994 and saying: "this shit will go nowhere, it looks like crap compared to my word document". Yes, there were people that thought that way but look at where we are now.

All this shit is completely transitional but unlike back in the early 90's when nobody but a select few had the chance to access high end tech, we are all exposed to it and can take advantage of it even if it's far from perfect. I draw fucking strategy plans for the company I work for getting help from Gemini and it has improved the quality and speed of my work like no other tech in the last 15 years. I still read the books but I don't need to take notes (that would make reading the book 3x slower). I can read it, load it into one of my Gems and pull specific knowledge I need.

None of this will replace the usual interfaces we all know and love. At least not while there is people like us that still want to use them. Future generations will probably have less of an issue jumping into something totally different. Humans are just not great at adapting to change. There is no way that the only way to interact with Windows in the near future will be voice because there are many situations where it is not appropriate. For example: an office environment or people that want to use a computer for something during a call or whatever.

These guys are not stupid (OK, some of them are) and many of them are certified geniuses in whatever discipline you can imagine. If they are placing a huge bet on stuff like this is because they genuinely believe there is a chance it might pan out.

Luckily tech research and advancement presses on despite the reluctance from some members. Like that quote that floats around the web and that they attribute to Henry Ford (although most likely he didn't say it): "If I asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses". End users not always know what they want, specially when we are talking about radically different - reality changing technology.
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Corporate bootlicking is so passé.

I reckon the overall enthusiasm and popularity will start to decline once certain societal, personal and psychiatric impacts will begin to emerge. There's early tell-tale signs of some already. We've witnessed the detrimental effect social media has done on a generation and that started out seemingly innocuous.

Loneliness increase. Algorithmic isolation. Increase in suicides. Anxiety at an all time high. Shortened attention spans. Explosive narcissism. Radicalization. Commoditization of private life and psyche. That's just the tip of the iceberg. None of big tech wants talk about any of that, of course. That would mean they take responsibility and accountability for these things they've directly been complicit in.

I really think we've reached a point where the advancement of tech has been allowed to run amok, gotten unruly and begone to be a detrimental effect and burden on society. Its outpaced the natural human adaption rate. In an era where overstimulation has become a big talking point this isn't helping.

Even the original ARPAnet wasn't rolled out haphazardly like this into the public. It was studied in a controlled environment.
 
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Don't diss my man Satya. Under his command Microsoft grew 10X. The motherfucker knows what he is doing and he started as an entry level employee at Microsoft. None of that "I was there when the company started so it's my turn to be CEO" shit.

Despite what a lot of people belive, Microsoft is full of very capable people. I can say this based on experience. That doesn't mean everyone there knows what they are doing or that they are pefect at executing.

If you guys are keeping track then you know I'm an AI believer. This doesn't mean I believe the tech is perfect because it's not, it's far from that. Also, I can't say for sure ASI/AGI will be a reality within our lifetimes but what I can tell you is that this is the closest we have evern been at at least emulating intelligence. Yes, even with all the hallucinations, costs and security vulnerabilities. A few decades back when the Internet was in it's infancy it was riddled with all kinds of security vulnerabilities and bugs. Microsoft was one of the first companies that actually saw the potential behind that technology. Imagine looking at a website back in 1994 and saying: "this shit will go nowhere, it looks like crap compared to my word document". Yes, there were people that thought that way but look at where we are now.

All this shit is completely transitional but unlike back in the early 90's when nobody but a select few had the chance to access high end tech, we are all exposed to it and can take advantage of it even if it's far from perfect. I draw fucking strategy plans for the company I work for getting help from Gemini and it has improved the quality and speed of my work like no other tech in the last 15 years. I still read the books but I don't need to take notes (that would make reading the book 3x slower). I can read it, load it into one of my Gems and pull specific knowledge I need.

None of this will replace the usual interfaces we all know and love. At least not while there is people like us that still want to use them. Future generations will probably have less of an issue jumping into something totally different. Humans are just not great at adapting to change. There is no way that the only way to interact with Windows in the near future will be voice because there are many situations where it is not appropriate. For example: an office environment or people that want to use a computer for something during a call or whatever.

These guys are not stupid (OK, some of them are) and many of them are certified geniuses in whatever discipline you can imagine. If they are placing a huge bet on stuff like this is because they genuinely believe there is a chance it might pan out.

Luckily tech research and advancement presses on despite the reluctance from some members. Like that quote that floats around the web and that they attribute to Henry Ford (although most likely he didn't say it): "If I asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses". End users not always know what they want, specially when we are talking about radically different - reality changing technology.

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Don't diss my man Satya. Under his command Microsoft grew 10X. The motherfucker knows what he is doing and he started as an entry level employee at Microsoft. None of that "I was there when the company started so it's my turn to be CEO" shit.

Despite what a lot of people belive, Microsoft is full of very capable people. I can say this based on experience. That doesn't mean everyone there knows what they are doing or that they are pefect at executing.

If you guys are keeping track then you know I'm an AI believer. This doesn't mean I believe the tech is perfect because it's not, it's far from that. Also, I can't say for sure ASI/AGI will be a reality within our lifetimes but what I can tell you is that this is the closest we have evern been at at least emulating intelligence. Yes, even with all the hallucinations, costs and security vulnerabilities. A few decades back when the Internet was in it's infancy it was riddled with all kinds of security vulnerabilities and bugs. Microsoft was one of the first companies that actually saw the potential behind that technology. Imagine looking at a website back in 1994 and saying: "this shit will go nowhere, it looks like crap compared to my word document". Yes, there were people that thought that way but look at where we are now.

All this shit is completely transitional but unlike back in the early 90's when nobody but a select few had the chance to access high end tech, we are all exposed to it and can take advantage of it even if it's far from perfect. I draw fucking strategy plans for the company I work for getting help from Gemini and it has improved the quality and speed of my work like no other tech in the last 15 years. I still read the books but I don't need to take notes (that would make reading the book 3x slower). I can read it, load it into one of my Gems and pull specific knowledge I need.

None of this will replace the usual interfaces we all know and love. At least not while there is people like us that still want to use them. Future generations will probably have less of an issue jumping into something totally different. Humans are just not great at adapting to change. There is no way that the only way to interact with Windows in the near future will be voice because there are many situations where it is not appropriate. For example: an office environment or people that want to use a computer for something during a call or whatever.

These guys are not stupid (OK, some of them are) and many of them are certified geniuses in whatever discipline you can imagine. If they are placing a huge bet on stuff like this is because they genuinely believe there is a chance it might pan out.

Luckily tech research and advancement presses on despite the reluctance from some members. Like that quote that floats around the web and that they attribute to Henry Ford (although most likely he didn't say it): "If I asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses". End users not always know what they want, specially when we are talking about radically different - reality changing technology.
If Microsoft has so many geniuses then why is Windows 11 in such a poor state now? Either they're not geniuses or their intelligence doesn't have much effect on the end product. And I say that as a lifelong Windows user/fan.
 
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If Microsoft has so many geniuses then why is Windows 11 in such a poor state now? Either they're not geniuses or their intelligence doesn't have much effect on the end product. And I say that as a lifelong Windows user/fan.
What do you think it's more likely? One of the biggest companies in the world, a major player in whatever aspect of business making a mistake related to complex issues or just because they lack capable people?

We are talking close to 250,000 employees world wide.

Exactly what does it mean for Windows 11 to be in a poor state? The update that messed up some things? We are talking over half billion devices running Windows 11 right now and the world is still spinning.
 

OpenAI still has not turned in any profit. I wonder how long Microsoft will keep throwing money at OpenAI.

Until the bubble bursts and there's a big drop in their stock price. Same with all the other AI companies. They're all propping each other up like a house of cards.
 
If Microsoft has so many geniuses then why is Windows 11 in such a poor state now? Either they're not geniuses or their intelligence doesn't have much effect on the end product. And I say that as a lifelong Windows user/fan.

There are some good people at Microsoft, but they're in other, more prolific areas like Azure and developing languages like .NET, TypeScript, and Python.


 
Don't diss my man Satya. Under his command Microsoft grew 10X. The motherfucker knows what he is doing and he started as an entry level employee at Microsoft. None of that "I was there when the company started so it's my turn to be CEO" shit.

Despite what a lot of people belive, Microsoft is full of very capable people. I can say this based on experience. That doesn't mean everyone there knows what they are doing or that they are pefect at executing.

If you guys are keeping track then you know I'm an AI believer. This doesn't mean I believe the tech is perfect because it's not, it's far from that. Also, I can't say for sure ASI/AGI will be a reality within our lifetimes but what I can tell you is that this is the closest we have evern been at at least emulating intelligence. Yes, even with all the hallucinations, costs and security vulnerabilities. A few decades back when the Internet was in it's infancy it was riddled with all kinds of security vulnerabilities and bugs. Microsoft was one of the first companies that actually saw the potential behind that technology. Imagine looking at a website back in 1994 and saying: "this shit will go nowhere, it looks like crap compared to my word document". Yes, there were people that thought that way but look at where we are now.

All this shit is completely transitional but unlike back in the early 90's when nobody but a select few had the chance to access high end tech, we are all exposed to it and can take advantage of it even if it's far from perfect. I draw fucking strategy plans for the company I work for getting help from Gemini and it has improved the quality and speed of my work like no other tech in the last 15 years. I still read the books but I don't need to take notes (that would make reading the book 3x slower). I can read it, load it into one of my Gems and pull specific knowledge I need.

None of this will replace the usual interfaces we all know and love. At least not while there is people like us that still want to use them. Future generations will probably have less of an issue jumping into something totally different. Humans are just not great at adapting to change. There is no way that the only way to interact with Windows in the near future will be voice because there are many situations where it is not appropriate. For example: an office environment or people that want to use a computer for something during a call or whatever.

These guys are not stupid (OK, some of them are) and many of them are certified geniuses in whatever discipline you can imagine. If they are placing a huge bet on stuff like this is because they genuinely believe there is a chance it might pan out.

Luckily tech research and advancement presses on despite the reluctance from some members. Like that quote that floats around the web and that they attribute to Henry Ford (although most likely he didn't say it): "If I asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses". End users not always know what they want, specially when we are talking about radically different - reality changing technology.
This is such a "consultant"-coded post lol.
 
Try NotebookLM. It's the best learning resource I have seen and tried and it's (mostly) free.

It lets you compile your sources (and find more) and then build your queries against those sources only. That can include long papers, YouTube, web pages, etc.

Then you can build flash cards, create podcasts, do mind maps, study guides and a lot more. It's awesome and possibly my favorite Google product of all times.


To be fair this is mostly Enterprise targeted. Since Corpos are pushing for AI everywhere all the time in their employees and MS obliges.

Thing is what MS is also pushing on Enterprise side is governance, discoverability and security. They had a whole lot of that just announced at Ignite.

Anyways, life personal PC there should be a way to disable all of this crud.

I do admit some of the MS new support for local offline models is pretty cool though.


All you say about IA usage seems extremely gay.

People are gonna ruin their brains using that, for gods sake. Maybe now people of the Gen X who weren't native digital and half the Z who still had a foot in the old net can pose the right questions and organize what they ask from the IA and can filter it's failings, but the generation that is educated with that will be Idiocracy all over.
 
This is such a "consultant"-coded post lol.

Not sure what you mean.


All you say about IA usage seems extremely gay.

People are gonna ruin their brains using that, for gods sake. Maybe now people of the Gen X who weren't native digital and half the Z who still had a foot in the old net can pose the right questions and organize what they ask from the IA and can filter it's failings, but the generation that is educated with that will be Idiocracy all over.
There were some people that argued that search engines were a bad idea because people would not need to remember information and their brains would rot or that smartphones would make people not need to remember phone numbers.

There are many skills that have been dropped because other approaches have come forward.

Generation Z started in 1997 and finished in 2012, meaning the youngest are 13 yo. Gen Alpha starts at 2010-2012 (depends who you ask) so the oldest would be 13 - 15 yo. Do you think we are ready to judge a whole generation when they are that age?
 
Not sure what you mean.
The fact that you're basically trying to sell the AI to a sceptical client.

There were some people that argued that search engines were a bad idea because people would not need to remember information and their brains would rot or that smartphones would make people not need to remember phone numbers.
This is a farcical argument. Because none of those things completely eliminate the need to think. Why read and understand a book, when an AI can summarise it for you? Why learn to think your own thoughts, when you can get them from ChatGPT?
Why learn how to construct sentences and write reports, when an AI can do it for you? Why learn or understand processes when an AI Agent can run through the process on your behalf? Why learn how to draw or paint, when you can get stable diffusion to turn an idea into an image. Why do anything beyond the absolute bare minimum of writing a bullet point?

And this doesn't even contend with the AI ouroboros. Where AI becomes enshittened because its being trained on data created by other AI. The signal will eventually be drowned out by noise. Nor does it contend with the simple fact that AI gets things wrong and makes shit up, but the output is treated uncritically.

There are many skills that have been dropped because other approaches have come forward.
We have calculators, but we still teach kids mathematics. Nobody decided upon the invention of the TI-82, that we need to stop teaching math in classes and instead teach kids how to use calculators, because mathematics is a dead skill now that you can punch the numbers in and it does it for you. Certainly arithmetic is not the same as high level mathematics like algebra or calculus or geometry or trigonometry or Fourier transformations or whatever... but you NEED to understand how to add, subtract, mulitply and divide at a conceptual level for any of that to even make sense.
AI is being treated as a one-stop-shop to completely eliminate the need for entire roles and industries, because it does it quickly and without labor cost.

Generation Z started in 1997 and finished in 2012, meaning the youngest are 13 yo. Gen Alpha starts at 2010-2012 (depends who you ask) so the oldest would be 13 - 15 yo. Do you think we are ready to judge a whole generation when they are that age?
You absolutely can. And the judgement of them, isn't really their fault. We've simply created an environment where they are no longer required, and are often encouraged not to actually think for themselves. Output/results matter more than the process. This is stupid.
 
Not sure what you mean.



There were some people that argued that search engines were a bad idea because people would not need to remember information and their brains would rot or that smartphones would make people not need to remember phone numbers.

There are many skills that have been dropped because other approaches have come forward.

Generation Z started in 1997 and finished in 2012, meaning the youngest are 13 yo. Gen Alpha starts at 2010-2012 (depends who you ask) so the oldest would be 13 - 15 yo. Do you think we are ready to judge a whole generation when they are that age?
We do know that colleges have now days to do remedial math with a lot of incoming freshmen as they are not proficient at middle school level. Even Harvard has to do that.

Of course this is mostly due to grade inflation and eliminating proper testing, but incoming freshmen have been using AI for 3 years.

There have been studies around problems with cognitive skills of heavy AI users especially with younger folks without real world experience
 
All you say about IA usage seems extremely gay.

People are gonna ruin their brains using that, for gods sake. Maybe now people of the Gen X who weren't native digital and half the Z who still had a foot in the old net can pose the right questions and organize what they ask from the IA and can filter it's failings, but the generation that is educated with that will be Idiocracy all over.
I think you are looking at this specific AI tool from a wrong angle. NotebookLM isn't same as main Gemini or ChatGPT.

It lets you to do deep study of a topic based on sources you gathered. And it does an excellent job at it.

This isn't like asking CharGPT to get you an answer to a math problem. This is more of actually learning to solve the same math problem.
 
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The fact that you're basically trying to sell the AI to a sceptical client.


This is a farcical argument. Because none of those things completely eliminate the need to think. Why read and understand a book, when an AI can summarise it for you? Why learn to think your own thoughts, when you can get them from ChatGPT?
Why learn how to construct sentences and write reports, when an AI can do it for you? Why learn or understand processes when an AI Agent can run through the process on your behalf? Why learn how to draw or paint, when you can get stable diffusion to turn an idea into an image. Why do anything beyond the absolute bare minimum of writing a bullet point?

And this doesn't even contend with the AI ouroboros. Where AI becomes enshittened because its being trained on data created by other AI. The signal will eventually be drowned out by noise. Nor does it contend with the simple fact that AI gets things wrong and makes shit up, but the output is treated uncritically.


We have calculators, but we still teach kids mathematics. Nobody decided upon the invention of the TI-82, that we need to stop teaching math in classes and instead teach kids how to use calculators, because mathematics is a dead skill now that you can punch the numbers in and it does it for you. Certainly arithmetic is not the same as high level mathematics like algebra or calculus or geometry or trigonometry or Fourier transformations or whatever... but you NEED to understand how to add, subtract, mulitply and divide at a conceptual level for any of that to even make sense.
AI is being treated as a one-stop-shop to completely eliminate the need for entire roles and industries, because it does it quickly and without labor cost.


You absolutely can. And the judgement of them, isn't really their fault. We've simply created an environment where they are no longer required, and are often encouraged not to actually think for themselves. Output/results matter more than the process. This is stupid.

I had to re-read my post to check what could have been seen as selling. I stated that Satya is not an idiot (proven by results), I said AI curently faces a lot of shortcomings (true), I even said ASI/AGI might not even pan out in our lifetimes or ever at all. I described how I used it today and the potential it has. Not sure how that is selling given that usually when you want to sell something you don't focus on stating the shortcomings of the product.

I am a consultant though so it might be my consultant tendencies showing up.

Regarding the farcical argument I agree because as you said, technology doesn't make people stupid automatically. Who is saying that reading or whatever doesn't have any application now? Just because the tech is there it doesn't mean people have to use it in isolation from everything else. GPT or whatever LLM will say bullshit and if you have no background you won't be able to detect it. Just like if you go and look for sources for an argument and you come accross a poorly written article based on a badly made paper: if you don't have the background to discern good info from bad info then you are not really leveraging the potential of the technology.

Why learn how to draw when you have a model that can do it for you? Well, you tell me. Why are people still building furniture by hand or whatever if you can mass produce it? Should we have stopped masss production back at the beginning of the 19th century because artisans were doing it just well enough? Why should this be any different to any other life changing tech before this?

Has anyone discussed stop teaching people any discipline at all because now a machine can do it? I agree that people need to learn anyway. Accountants are still taught how to do their jobs even though there are computers and before that they were using calculators and before that punched cards and before that ledgers and books. Did accountants stopped learning how to do it because there is software that can do it for them at some degree or another? Why should it be different now. If anyone is advocating to stop academic education they are idiots.

Regarding Gen Alpha I really feel it's an oversimplification but I'm not sure how a judgement could be passed right now when they are so young or based on what but I remember people saying similar stuff about Millennials a few decades back so it might be something like that.
 
We do know that colleges have now days to do remedial math with a lot of incoming freshmen as they are not proficient at middle school level. Even Harvard has to do that.

Of course this is mostly due to grade inflation and eliminating proper testing, but incoming freshmen have been using AI for 3 years.

There have been studies around problems with cognitive skills of heavy AI users especially with younger folks without real world experience

If we are talking college then we are not really talking Generation Alpha due to their age.

I went to college in Canada back in 2003 (I was an international student) and they did remedial math back then. I remember because when I submitted my academic record they said I didn't have to take some Math classes because I already had in HS (I'm Mexican btw). So I guess it could be an academic program issue and it could be affecting several countries but not a generational issue.

I don't know where I read that Gen Alpha is supposed to turn into the most educated generation in history. Might have been a bs article or maybe not. Maybe those few billion people from Asia are picking up the slack.
 
I think you are looking at this specific AI tool from a wrong angle. NotebookLM isn't same as main Gemini or ChatGPT.

It lets you to do deep study of a topic based on sources you gathered. And it does an excellent job at it.

This isn't like asking CharGPT to get you an answer to a math problem. This is more of actually learning to solve the same math problem.

Thing is those sources will vanish as the usual net and economics are displaced by IA.

I am of the opinion that in some years when a big % of webs have fallen, as Wikipedia for example, due to not receiving clicks because IA takes everything, it will take info of reddit and forums like this one 😂
 
Thing is those sources will vanish as the usual net and economics are displaced by IA.

I am of the opinion that in some years when a big % of webs have fallen, as Wikipedia for example, due to not receiving clicks because IA takes everything, it will take info of reddit and forums like this one 😂
I asked AI a question once about tech and straight up pulled the answer from a fanboy explanation on a forum, probably GAF or RetardERA.
 
Thing is those sources will vanish as the usual net and economics are displaced by IA.

I am of the opinion that in some years when a big % of webs have fallen, as Wikipedia for example, due to not receiving clicks because IA takes everything, it will take info of reddit and forums like this one 😂
You can use your own sources like PDFs and audio/video.
 
You can use your own sources like PDFs and audio/video.

It's better to read yourself those pdfs and hear and think about those audios.

If the IA does it for you always,some synapses related with conceptualization, sinteticy, abstract thinking etc will slowly weaken and fade away. In some years you will find yourself noticeably less sharp. But basically it's too late to get us all totally dumb, but oh boy those educated with this since childhood... it's frightening.

There are already some research done about this.
 
It's better to read yourself those pdfs and hear and think about those audios.

If the IA does it for you always,some synapses related with conceptualization, sinteticy, abstract thinking etc will slowly weaken and fade away. In some years you will find yourself noticeably less sharp. But basically it's too late to get us all totally dumb, but oh boy those educated with this since childhood... it's frightening.

There are already some research done about this.
The cognitive decline heavily depends on what you are doing. NotebookLM greatly upgraded quality of my learning while cutting down time and improving retention.

I think above applies much more to younger folks without domain expertise in different subjects. Would I "use my brain" more doing all that manually? Maybe, but the same amount of learning would take me a lot longer not would it provide as in depth look at things I didn't recognize.

Again, it really depends on how you use it.
 
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If Nvidia ever fully supports Linux, I'd happily Switch over. All I do with Windows really is game anyway.

The issue is ... allegedly... identified and they are supposed to be working on it. Take it from me on linux "working on it" stuff, though. Sometimes it comes fast and sometimes it takes a long time. It usually comes through in the end but you often don't know how many people are on a project.
 
The cognitive decline heavily depends on what you are doing. NotebookLM greatly upgraded quality of my learning while cutting down time and improving retention.

I think above applies much more to younger folks without domain expertise in different subjects. Would I "use my brain" more doing all that manually? Maybe, but the same amount of learning would take me a lot longer not would it provide as in depth look at things I didn't recognize.

Again, it really depends on how you use it.

One of the writers I follow on AI has a great line on the dilemma that AI poses to education. He keeps returning to it when discussing the subject. I forget the exacting wording but it's basically this:

"AI is an incredibly powerful tool if you want to learn. AI is also an incredibly powerful tool if you don't want to learn."

And he's right. You can use LLMs to learn in a way that you never could before. An infinitely patient, knowledgeable and flexible tutor who can explain anything to you in any manner that you find helpful. Tailor made education and self-guided learning.

Or you can just use it to cheat.

Thats the dilemma. It can do both and it will always be able to do both. Different people will always have different motivations to do either. How we will navigate that as a society I don't know, but we will have to navigate it because there is no reason to believe that this technology will ever go away. That is implausible. It has, simply, mundane utility. It is just too useful.

It will go only get better and more powerful, even if that involves moving to a different architecture. But we will now never, ever be without this technology and its predecessors. Either way we will never have AI less advanced than the most powerful models we have today. And even if the models didn't get one tiny better - if progress was completely frozen starting today - it would still take many years to see the full effects of them on education and everything else.

Lots of people keep talking about a world never coming that has frankly already been and gone. The idea that people, companies or countries are going to just abandon this technology is ludicrous. You're at the part of the history book where they say "the technology was nascent".

Just two days ago we had the third anniversary of when ChatGPT launched - November 30th, 2022. It has been three years since this started. You can see it as a long three years or say wow only three years. Before you know it, it will have been out for twice as long - six years. A decade. Two decades.

I wonder how long it will take for some people to accept that we're never going back to the world as it was on November 29th 2022. The genie isn't going back in the bottle.
 
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The "genie" can't even win at chess against a Atari2600.

It's so useful I only see it being used by Zs to "Google" things and take it as granted without thinking, and by many students and some workers to cheat in their studies/work and make do some simple task (resume/reredact) fir themselves . That's the use 99% are giving to it. Oh, I forgot, tell it to create images ripping off things in internet.

Two decades telling us about being energy efficient and climate change and now they spend hundreds of billions of dollars in data centers consuming like cities, for people asking about weather, recipes or google things or ask it to do funny shit merging things.
 
The "genie" can't even win at chess against a Atari2600.

It's so useful I only see it being used by Zs to "Google" things and take it as granted without thinking, and by many students and some workers to cheat in their studies/work and make do some simple task (resume/reredact) fir themselves . That's the use 99% are giving to it. Oh, I forgot, tell it to create images ripping off things in internet.

Two decades telling us about being energy efficient and climate change and now they spend hundreds of billions of dollars in data centers consuming like cities, for people asking about weather, recipes or google things or ask it to do funny shit merging things.

You'd understand the technology and its prospects better if you kept up with the things it can do, rather than the things it can't.

The genies can do a lot. Like win gold at the International Maths Olympiad and gold at the International Collegiate Programming Contest World Finals. That's performing at the level of the very best humans entering those competitions.

You also can't assess the range of its utility and capabilities by focusing on the very bottom end of the most mundane uses of it.
 
Don't diss my man Satya. Under his command Microsoft grew 10X. The motherfucker knows what he is doing and he started as an entry level employee at Microsoft. None of that "I was there when the company started so it's my turn to be CEO" shit.

Despite what a lot of people belive, Microsoft is full of very capable people. I can say this based on experience. That doesn't mean everyone there knows what they are doing or that they are pefect at executing.

If you guys are keeping track then you know I'm an AI believer. This doesn't mean I believe the tech is perfect because it's not, it's far from that. Also, I can't say for sure ASI/AGI will be a reality within our lifetimes but what I can tell you is that this is the closest we have evern been at at least emulating intelligence. Yes, even with all the hallucinations, costs and security vulnerabilities. A few decades back when the Internet was in it's infancy it was riddled with all kinds of security vulnerabilities and bugs. Microsoft was one of the first companies that actually saw the potential behind that technology. Imagine looking at a website back in 1994 and saying: "this shit will go nowhere, it looks like crap compared to my word document". Yes, there were people that thought that way but look at where we are now.

All this shit is completely transitional but unlike back in the early 90's when nobody but a select few had the chance to access high end tech, we are all exposed to it and can take advantage of it even if it's far from perfect. I draw fucking strategy plans for the company I work for getting help from Gemini and it has improved the quality and speed of my work like no other tech in the last 15 years. I still read the books but I don't need to take notes (that would make reading the book 3x slower). I can read it, load it into one of my Gems and pull specific knowledge I need.

None of this will replace the usual interfaces we all know and love. At least not while there is people like us that still want to use them. Future generations will probably have less of an issue jumping into something totally different. Humans are just not great at adapting to change. There is no way that the only way to interact with Windows in the near future will be voice because there are many situations where it is not appropriate. For example: an office environment or people that want to use a computer for something during a call or whatever.

These guys are not stupid (OK, some of them are) and many of them are certified geniuses in whatever discipline you can imagine. If they are placing a huge bet on stuff like this is because they genuinely believe there is a chance it might pan out.

Luckily tech research and advancement presses on despite the reluctance from some members. Like that quote that floats around the web and that they attribute to Henry Ford (although most likely he didn't say it): "If I asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses". End users not always know what they want, specially when we are talking about radically different - reality changing technology.
Yeah, it's interesting isn't it... the inputs will obviously mostly stay the same (until, let's say, skeuomorphic humanoid interfaces mature, nobody like "talking to text"), but the display interfaces (f.ex. each website having their own formats) will completely change.

The fascinating thing is, and this actually seems like the consensus now, that in a few years traditional websites will start to disappear for real, replaced by AI interfaces delivering personalized content in a personalized format. The early shift is already happening, with first adopters using agentic AI tools to gather information, and giants like Microsoft and Google now in talks with content providers (who are in panic mode due to an already noticeable drop in web traffic and thus drop in ad revenue).

It's happening, and while some obviously resist, once people adapt to the new ways, I suspect no one will want to look back. Anyway, it's just better tools (handle with care as usual).


Edit: Just read some of the replies to your posts. Oh man... Well, I guess that's expected. Not everyone is a visionary, even short term.

Anyway, I just set up Harpa AI with Gemini via OpenRouter. It all works so fucking well! How can some of you people do the internets without, I don't get it!
 
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You'd understand the technology and its prospects better if you kept up with the things it can do, rather than the things it can't.

The genies can do a lot. Like win gold at the International Maths Olympiad and gold at the International Collegiate Programming Contest World Finals. That's performing at the level of the very best humans entering those competitions.

You also can't assess the range of its utility and capabilities by focusing on the very bottom end of the most mundane uses of it.
Yeah, modern frontier models have a lot more context than they used to have plus you can use all kinds of tricks to store data (like Notebook LM) within say vector Databases.

Recent advances by Anthropic, Google and Amazon (just today) claim to allow tasks to run for days.

But even aside from that there are a ton of things modem models can do while connecting to different services. And there are some radically different approaches on the way, different from transformer models.

Frankly it's damn scary as to what is going to happen. And all the major vendors are saying the bad part out loud now that a lot of jobs will be lost.
 
I've got resumes flooding in and so many are from people who clearly never read the posting.

Worse, my hr girl who used to screen like 3 people at a time is now somehow sending me 20 at a time.

AI is really fascinating and my best use for it has actually been having it facilitate meandering thoughts, which can lead to learning about things that previously would have begun and ended as shower thoughts.
 
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