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Winter Anime 2015 |OT| ZA WARUDO is not square!

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Jarmel

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Is there any truth to this.

Yes actually. Ange herself is a well written character with a full blown character arc. Hilda herself also has a decent character arc. Ange is one of the best written mecha pilots in a long ass time.

Despite how shit the direction and fanservice is, the character writing can sometimes be fairly good.
 

javac

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Some upcoming Maiden Japan and Sentai Filmworks releases:
Ninja Scroll
Release Date: 19th May 2015
Format: Blu-ray
Language: Japanese language & English dub
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Patlabor: The Movie
Release Date: 5th May 2015
Format: Blu-ray
Language: Japanese language & English dub
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The Familiar of Zero: Rondo of Princesses - Complete Collection (Season 3)
Release Date: 12th May 2015
Format: Blu-ray
Language: Japanese language

Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse - Collection 2
Release Date: 12th May 2015
Format: Blu-ray
Language: Original Japanese language & English dub

Soni-Ani: Super Sonico The Animation - Complete Collection
Release Date: 26th May 2015
Format: Blu-ray
Language: Japanese language & English dub

Student Council Discretion Level 2 - Complete Collection (Season 2)
Release Date: 26th May 2015
Format: Blu-ray
Language: Japanese language

The World God Only Knows OVAs - Complete Collection (Season 2.5)
Release Date: 5th May 2015
Format: Blu-ray
Language: Japanese language & English dub

Other releases:
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade
Release Date: 27th January 2015
Format [Region]: Blu-ray [A]
Language: English & Japanese
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Ben-To - Complete Series [Limited Edition]
Release Date: 3rd February 2015
Format [Region]: Blu-ray/DVD [A|B|1|2|4]
Language: English & Japanese
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One Piece - Collection 11
Release Date: 3rd February 2015
Format [Region]: DVD [1]
Language: English & Japanese
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Love, Chunibyo & Other Delusions! - Complete Collection [Limited Edition]
Release Date: 25th February 2015
Format [Region]: Blu-ray/DVD [A|1]
Language: English & Japanese
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Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Please give Ben-to season 2.

While you're at it, Hataraku Maou season 2!

Season of fastfood and poverty!
 

javac

Member
I own the Japanese Limited releases of the Patlabor Movies (my favorite franchise <3) but I'll probably import these too. Can't have enough Patlabor. Not interested in the rest.
 

Midonin

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Isuca 01

That intersection between sexuality, violence and monster-hunting that occupies both a common subset of manga and a common subset of visual novels, with the level of depravity deciding where the line is drawn. Like Rurumo some seasons ago, this feels like a show that would've aired in the early 2000s, but it's not the worst thing I've seen. There's not as much showboating or attempt at a "cool" factor as something like Fafnir or World Break - it's closer to Beyond the Boundary, but with less of a sense of melancholy. That there can still be throwaway lines about the recession in entertainment even now does date the show a bit, which I find interesting. It's only 10 episodes, so it's not a very long haul on this one.

Friday is really the day for idols and monster hunting.
 

FluxWaveZ

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Death Parade - 03


Gah, where was the despair? The violence!? I suppose it makes sense that there'd be a couple like this eventually, though. Her secret ended up being kind of underwhelming for me, though; I was thinking they were going to reveal that
Mai's operation was actually a male-to-female surgery as a dude who liked Shigeru but couldn't catch his attention.
Also, it seemed like they were both
sent to 'Heaven' in the end, so I guess it doesn't have to be one or the other.

Next episode features the best game of all: video games. Wonder when—or even if—we'll learn more about Decim and the roles of each person in that purgatory.
 
El-Hazard: The Wanderers 1

This series caught my interest when I found out that the creative team for El-Hazard was also the creative team for Tenchi Muyo and now I've started to watch it. Good first episode.
 

Jex

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I must confess, I haven't mustered the energy to sit down and create a proper post on the subject of anime in months. For that, I must apologise because there's been plenty of high quality content worthy of analysis and discussion. Still, this all changed when I started to read about the history of anime and the story I discovered seemed so important to the foundation of the modern anime industry that I felt compelled to write about it. Please bear with me because this post is unfortunately far too long.


I've read a lot of discussion in the last few months about the actual business of producing anime, fuelled in part by Shirobako. The main topics of concern seem to be the working conditions of the anime industry (harsh) and what kind of pay workers receive for their efforts (meagre). The sad reality is that one of the reasons the anime industry can exist at all is because the workers don't get paid that well. But how did such a strange industry develop? It's always been a puzzle for me but after reading Anime A History I feel like I can shed some light on how and why TV anime came to exist in it's current form. To tackle this puzzle we have to turn to the birth of traditional TV anime. We're going to go back to Astro Boy.


As many of you are probably aware, many people consider that the first true anime was Astro Boy in 1963. While this isn't quite right, Astro Boy was certainly the birth of the modern TV anime production. By modern TV anime I largely mean a work of limited animation that airs on TV weekly. At the time, this was truly a revolutionary idea, in fact it was even considered impossible. When the idea was originally floated to make the Astro Boy manga into an animated series Toei's veteran animator Yamamoto Sanae considered it an absurd idea, impossible even with the manpower of the entire animation industry. This is why Astro Boy first aired as a live action series. Tezuka, however, would not let go of his dream to make anime. Eventually, with his own studio, he'd get his wish.

Tezuka's own assistant calculated how impossible it would be to create Astro Boy. Assuming a weekly output of thirty minutes of Toei-quality animation (Please note: Toei works used to have great animation), they'd need 3,000 employees and a budget of between 60 and 70 million yen. The entire population of animators in Japan would only account for 20 percent of the necessary labour and once completed the show would be too expensive for any TV channel to afford. So, as you might have guessed, the idea of doing 'Toei Quality Animation' was thrown to the wayside and Tezuka and his staff focused on how to do animation quickly and cheaply. Their solution, limited animation, is with us to this day and it's one of the defining features of the entire industry.

I think you're familiar with most of the basics of limited animation but just to remind you here are some key elements:

  • Shooting on threes e.g. aiming to use only eight images per second of film rather than the available 24.
  • Stop images e.g. using a single frame for sequences where animation is not required such as establishing shots and reaction shots.
  • Pull cells e.g. Pulling a background image behind a foreground image to create the impression movement. Think about a character in Dragon Ball Z 'flying' but in reality you know that it's just a single frame being moved a cross a background.
  • Repetition e.g. repeating a loop of animation for various purposes.


And so forth, I'm sure we're all familiar with these techniques. While they weren't all created by Tezuka and his studio, Mushi-Pro, but they certainly used them extremely frequently and for good reason. Anime was, and is, expensive to produce.
Now you've got an idea of the lengths Tezuka would have to go to in order to keep the costs of Astro Boy as low as humanly possible. Now, what do you imagine an episode of Astro Boy would cost to produce, even with all those cost-cutting techniques deployed? I'll let you think about that when I reveal how much Tezuka was offered per episode of Astro Boy by Mannen-sha, the company who could purchase the time-slot:

300,00 yen per episode

That's barely 10,000 yen per minute of animation, a truly impossible figure. A live action children's show in 1962 cost 600,000 yen and Mannen-sha assumed anime would cost half as much. Eventually, Tezuka negotiated a price of 550,000 yen per episode a fee which Tezuka settled upon in order to undercut the price of live-action children's shows and to be so impossibly low that no animated rivals could compete.

So just how crazy was that 550,000 yen per episode settled upon by Tezuka? Well, a single episode of Astro Boy would end up costing 2.5 million yet to produce. You don't really need to reach for your calculator to realise that this is a pretty awful deal for Tezuka. To make matters worse, it seems that Mannen-sha was prepared to offer 1.2 million yen per episode but Tezuka shocked them all by offering his own, lower figure of 550,000 yen to undercut potential animation rivals and live action TV for children. Some debate remains about whether Tezuka was aware of the 1.2 million yen figure.

Now, this insanely low price really set a precedent for TV animation that seems to have shaped the industry as we now know it. The results of this decision had the effects you might expect: staff working extremely long hours for the same pay, mass outsourcing of work and it was eventually the seed that ended up killing Tezuka's company because it simply wasn't economically feasible to produce anime under such constraints. To cap it all off, despite Tezuka's low pricing, he still attracted rivals in the world of TV animation.

To give you a flavour of what working on Astro Boy was like I'm just going to quote verbatim from Anime A History (emphasis mine):

Tezuka also faced a permanent issue of understaffing. He was able to stem some of the labour issues by outsourcing much of the work to other studios. This did not so much solve the problem as turn it into someone else's, as smaller start-ups such as P Pro and Onishi Pro took on piecework in layouts, inbetweening or backgrounds. However, these studios in turn often overestimated their capabilities, and found themselves shunting work on to third or fourth parties. Ishiguro Noboru, for example, who avoided working for Tezuka only to find himself working on Astro Boy anyway as a subcontractor at Onishi Pro, reported a rash promise to turn an episode around in thirty days, despite a labour requirement of six person-months, causing Onishi Pro to outsource the work too. Before long, animators referred to the show as "Up All Night Atom".

Nor did the outsourcing solve the central issue of the dearth of available animators. Instead, the 'outsourcing' often involved overtime by staff members who already had day jobs in the industry. Many animators would return to their apartments each evening, only to continue working as freelancers on storyboards, key art or layouts for other companies - Ishiguro Noboru claimed to have spent the latter half of the 1960's living a life of such an 'animator arbeit', and that it not only gave the misleading impression that the anime business was coping with the workload, but also pressured some animators into cutting corners on their day jobs in order to cope with their moonlighting.

The pessimist perspective on such brinkmanship is a story of inevitable decline, with Tezuka's undervaluation of his own property instigating a vicious circle of declining returns and budgetary cuts...As more serials competed for attention, Tezuka's market share was eroded, and he was obliged to fund the production of one show's deficit with the advance money from the next.

Reading these accounts make it almost sound like any troubled modern studio which I suppose shouldn't be surprising considering that it was Tezuka who created this deeply flawed model in the first place. It's pretty clear that all the problems which seem endemic to the anime industry are so common because they were there from the beginning.


Anyway, I hope that's given you a fresh perspective on the anime business and, as ever, I strongly encourage you to purchase Anime a History if you have any interest in learning more and I got all of my content from this post from it's pages. It is, without a doubt, the finest book I have ever had the pleasure of reading concerning anime and I can only imagine it will be an invaluable resource for years to come.
 
Assassination Classroom 3 (end?)


Provided it's cancelled, show goes out on the introduction of the best character. Gotta love Karma and the breath of fresh air he brings by actually being a threat to Koro, albeit an incredibly minor one.
 
Death Parade - 03

The facial structure and hair color of the two from this episode's couple immediately reminded me of a younger version from the previous pair.


So I was immediately wondering if that justified and whether there'd be a bunch of shenanignas we don't know about yet (Ihow time passes within this realm, multi-dimensional stuff, if someone they send to reincarnation could meet with them again and so forth.

That said, I still expected it to be rather coincidence than anything grand and that turned out to be true. Can't say the case this time around was particularly interesting. The bowling had less interesting facets than the darts game, as the actual playing had absolutely zero impact on anything. The heartbeat stuff didn't really mean much and just gradually returning memories is a bit lame.

It's also hard to really empathize much with the characters when you simply know so very little until the very end. Doesn't help that their reactions just don't feel all that natural to me giving their situation, although it's hard to tell how one should behave there.

As FluxWaveZ mentions, we now know that both participants can go to heaven or hell...and enjoy a date before taking their leave.
 
I must confess, I haven't mustered the energy to sit down and create a proper post on the subject of anime in months. For that, I must apologise because there's been plenty of high quality content worthy of analysis and discussion. Still, this all changed when I started to read about the history of anime and the story I discovered seemed so important to the foundation of the modern anime industry that I felt compelled to write about it. Please bear with me because this post is unfortunately far too long.

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Interesting post. But it depressed me slightly. :(
 
I must confess, I haven't mustered the energy to sit down and create a proper post on the subject of anime in months. For that, I must apologise because there's been plenty of high quality content worthy of analysis and discussion. Still, this all changed when I started to read about the history of anime and the story I discovered seemed so important to the foundation of the modern anime industry that I felt compelled to write about it. Please bear with me because this post is unfortunately far too long..

Unfortunately I dont watch Shirobako...but has the animation industry not attempted to change since thats an example of I guess 50+ years ago?
 

Thoraxes

Member
thats a great price. Not very figure friendly though which is what I need.

I bought a 5 shelf bookcase for all my Blurays and books from Target for about $20.
Ben-to FINALLY!

I can't believe it's finally coming. This 7 month delay suuuuuucked.

Damn Funimation.

There's a lot of anime I'm getting in over the next month-ish. Koimonogatari, KLK v4, Sailor Moon Pt. 2, Ben-to, and Space Dandy (now on March 3rd). TWGOK S3 will probably ship super early too.
 

dan2026

Member
Anyway, I hope that's given you a fresh perspective on the anime business and, as ever, I strongly encourage you to purchase Anime a History if you have any interest in learning more and I got all of my content from this post from it's pages. It is, without a doubt, the finest book I have ever had the pleasure of reading concerning anime and I can only imagine it will be an invaluable resource for years to come.

A great informative post. Extremely interesting.
What intrigues me most is the rise of the so called 'otaku pandering' anime and how a lot of the industry appears to have shifted to a more 'sell high to a tiny specialised crowd' type of business model.
Or perhaps it was always this way. Maybe I should read that book.
 

Mature

Member
Unfortunately I dont watch Shirobako...but has the animation industry not attempted to change since thats an example of I guess 50+ years ago?
It's part of the industry's DNA. I imagine that a large framework has been built around that very model, and trying to undo that is a much tougher job than anyone is willing to stick their nose out and do. And because anime is largely funded by production committees, committees that would rather not take large risks, it's probably an even tougher task.

That and attempting to determine what would actually "work better" than the current model is a feat in itself.

There's also something to be said about the Japanese labor force and its culture. I wont profess to be very knowledgeable in that area, but I do know that the intense struggles of the business world are often shrugged off as a part of life and that they're 'expected'. I guess part of the "problem" is that creators are still willing to work for nickles.
 
GARO THE ANIMATION Episode 15 -PROJECT G-

Nice random episode, probably laughed more at the way Leon turned around in his bath scene (shoulda have blushed) than when Alfonso was caught off guard for his time. Both moments funny. I like villagers attempting to solve their own issues, its good when people arent overly reliant on the great powers in series all the time.
 

Raxus

Member
What the hell happened to Assassination Classroom?

Also, can someone PLEASE make a Death Parade |OT|. I think it will earn one.
 

Midonin

Member
Azumanga Web Daioh/The Movie/01-02

After a substantial delay, finally found time/motivation to watch the first two episodes. While in this genre box, K-ON! is either held up as the cause of everything wrong or one of the best anime (the second one is me), Azumanga came out early enough in the Western fandom's lifetime that it escaped that kind of pariah status. Like Pani Poni, I tried to watch it back when I was first getting into anime, but never made it very far.

The show's way of delineating the individual sketches feels like something that inspired things like Nichijou, and while each sketch isn't a full strip, more of a small collection of them, it creates a very loose feel for each episode. The OP is nonsense and the ED is calming. Of all the characters, Tomo is my favorite, just because I like her type of personality the most. So far, pretty funny and still holds up - and things like the flying cat make me wonder if the Western fanbase accepted it because it may have leaned a little closer to what we consider comedy at that age. Even if there are several extremely Japan-specific punchlines, such as the entire nature of Osaka's character.

Both the short movie and the Web OVA were fun, and the Web OVA being shot entirely through a camera led to some interesting perspective, while the movie established the fascination with Chiyo's twintails that remains present in the main TV show.

The journey through the backlog begins once more.
 

Kikirin

Member
I must confess, I haven't mustered the energy to sit down and create a proper post on the subject of anime in months. For that, I must apologise because there's been plenty of high quality content worthy of analysis and discussion. Still, this all changed when I started to read about the history of anime and the story I discovered seemed so important to the foundation of the modern anime industry that I felt compelled to write about it. Please bear with me because this post is unfortunately far too long.

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Damn, very interesting post. While I'm only vaguely aware of the infamous working conditions of the current industry, it's surprising to see them being tied back to the beginning in such a way.

Thanks for the write-up!
 

Raxus

Member
for some reason cruncyroll and Fuji TV decide to not air it today.

yet Australia streamer and other channel decide to air it. just search it

I was more asking why it was pulled (and possibly cancelled) more than where it went.

Does it have to deal with the hostage situation?
 

rrvv

Member
I was more asking why it was pulled (and possibly cancelled) more than where it went.

Does it have to deal with the hostage situation?

possibly, japanese media tend to be sensitive over anime that follow clsoe to current real life event. the (in)famous accident will be "nice boat"

that said seem only effected one tv channel
 
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 27


Lost my shit at the little brother's laugh. I'm glad they cut the OP and did this as a one parter since it's more of a comedy episode that plays like a comedy sketch then a real fight.

Since when did Polnareff smoke? And I guess if it's not really Jotaro smoking it's fine not to censor it lol

And HOLY FUCK THAT ED they actually did animate it, DP blowing my expectations out of the damn water.

Death Parade 03

Ok, this episode is interesting. First, Decim doesn't show them the room with the mannequins, which makes them far more lax. They also don't get hurt when they knock down any pins unlike the previous games, they just have to hold each others hearts, and it looks like they both went to heaven? So it doesn't have to be one or the other? The secret was kind of underwhelming, though. Good episode, anyway. It seems we are slowly being trickled information about how this process works.

And I joked when this was announced but the next episode is actually Death Street Fighter, lol

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I mean, they kind of are right this time.


Great post. I should look for that book.

What the hell happened to Assassination Classroom?

Also, can someone PLEASE make a Death Parade |OT|. I think it will earn one.

AssClass probably got put on hold because of the hostage situation.
And there is a Death Parade OT
 

jgminto

Member
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 27



Lost my shit at the little brother's laugh. I'm glad they cut the OP and did this as a one parter since it's more of a comedy episode that plays like a comedy sketch then a real fight.

Since when did Polnareff smoke? And I guess if it's not really Jotaro smoking it's fine not to censor it lol

And HOLY FUCK THAT ED they actually did animate it, DP blowing my expectations out of the damn water.

He started after he saw how cool Jotaro's trick was, obviously.
 
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 27



Lost my shit at the little brother's laugh. I'm glad they cut the OP and did this as a one parter since it's more of a comedy episode that plays like a comedy sketch then a real fight.

Since when did Polnareff smoke? And I guess if it's not really Jotaro smoking it's fine not to censor it lol

And HOLY FUCK THAT ED they actually did animate it, DP blowing my expectations out of the damn water.
I guess censoring with Jotaro is because he is underage.
 

Ventara

Member
Ping Pong: The Animation Episode 7

Everyone is making a comeback! I also get the feeling there's gonna be some feels in the upcoming episodes. Good to see Wenge be a team player. He's a thunder, I can tell. Peco x Akuma.
 

Quasar

Member
AssClass is up on Australia's streaming service. I guess they don't care lol

"Everyone's delaying the episode mate, we probably shouldn't put it up"
"nah mate, get that thing up and grab a cold one from the freezer"

Then they proceeded to put shrimps on barbies and get killed by poisonous animals or whatever it is people do over there.

Seems they pulled it down.
 
So just how crazy was that 550,000 yen per episode settled upon by Tezuka? Well, a single episode of Astro Boy would end up costing 2.5 million yet to produce. You don't really need to reach for your calculator to realise that this is a pretty awful deal for Tezuka. To make matters worse, it seems that Mannen-sha was prepared to offer 1.2 million yen per episode but Tezuka shocked them all by offering his own, lower figure of 550,000 yen to undercut potential animation rivals and live action TV for children. Some debate remains about whether Tezuka was aware of the 1.2 million yen figure.

Now, this insanely low price really set a precedent for TV animation that seems to have shaped the industry as we now know it. The results of this decision had the effects you might expect: staff working extremely long hours for the same pay, mass outsourcing of work and it was eventually the seed that ended up killing Tezuka's company because it simply wasn't economically feasible to produce anime under such constraints. To cap it all off, despite Tezuka's low pricing, he still attracted rivals in the world of TV animation.

So it was Tezuka that killed anime. I always suspected.
Reading this strengthens a notion I've had for a while and heard from others, that TV anime has a fundamentally broken business model, and the only way of resolving the impossible demands of this model are by making insane demands on the workforce. It would be interesting to see how the industry would have developed if Tezuka had taken the 1.2 million yen budget.
 
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