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Winter Anime 2016 |OT| Celebrating the New Year and PSO2's release in the west!

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Cornbread78

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I actually think the bolded is correct. I've gotten several of my friends that don't care about anime watching this just because I told them about the main premise. They are all loving it too.

On that note, this a good topic of discussion. Which shows do you think have a mass appeal good enough that even non-anime viewers can enjoy? A recent example of a show that blew up with the masses is Attack on Titan, which obviously isn't a masterpiece but thanks to its action and its general feel, most folks seem to dig it. Erased is a good case of a good show, that can legitimately capture your attention thanks to its drama and suspense. So there are different ways of captivating an audience.

I want to say Monogatari but it isn't Monogatari, at least westward. :(

FMA: Brotherhood seems a given. Death Note maybe too. Generally, drama/action series with a good balance of them. Oh and the Ghibli movies, of course.


Lol, definitely not Monogatari.... Waay too "anime" with perverse fanservice. Nise would make them rin from the medium.

SAO is obviously the most recent example of something that got a lot of interest from non anime fans, but Barakamon is a much safer choice.


Erased 1

Wait he's 29 and she's 16?

Somehow this was far and away the creepist thing in the episode.

They aren't in a relationship, lol. Keep watching..
 

Black Hat

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I take it back, biggest flop in anime was Linda from Golden Time. You had SO MUCH FUCKING POTENTIAL.

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Rinda sucked from the start.
 
On that note, this a good topic of discussion. Which shows do you think have a mass appeal good enough that even non-anime viewers can enjoy? A recent example of a show that blew up with the masses is Attack on Titan, which obviously isn't a masterpiece but thanks to its action and its general feel, most folks seem to dig it. Erased is a good case of a good show, that can legitimately capture your attention thanks to its drama and suspense. So there are different ways of captivating an audience.

There are plenty. The sort of people who hang out on the periphery of anime in the West are the sort of the audience that Toonami caters to, who are mostly looking for flashy, "gritty" action, so that's why anime such as Attack on Titan or One Punch Man get the most attention from them. But if you're actually dealing with people with no real connection to anime at all, they're often much more far-ranging in the types of media they're looking for, so they're open to different kinds of anime that has appeal similar to what they look for in live-action TV or movies. So anime I've had successful experiences with introducing to non-anime viewers (and their "hooks") include:

Emma: A Victorian Romance (period romance akin to BBC/PBS period dramas)
Giovanni's Island (post-war drama between Japanese and Russians)
Mushishi (atmospheric myth)
Silver Spoon (agricultural school)
Sound Euphonium (concert band music)
Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (classic science fiction akin to the original Star Trek)

And so forth. There's plenty of other good candidates too. I think you just need to not treat anime as something you need a specific "gateway" to get into (and so recommend everyone Cowboy Bebop or something), but as a diverse medium where recommendations should be designed for the individual according to their narrative and stylistic preferences.

Also, the biggest barrier to people enjoying anime in my experience is not one of the elements most commonly posited as being such, but the use of manga-style comedy. Comedic reaction faces, character design deformations, sweat drops - any of those kind of cartoony departures from "reality" tend to rub a lot of people the wrong way.
 
I actually think the bolded is correct. I've gotten several of my friends that don't care about anime watching this just because I told them about the main premise. They are all loving it too.

On that note, this a good topic of discussion. Which shows do you think have a mass appeal good enough that even non-anime viewers can enjoy? A recent example of a show that blew up with the masses is Attack on Titan, which obviously isn't a masterpiece but thanks to its action and its general feel, most folks seem to dig it. Erased is a good case of a good show, that can legitimately capture your attention thanks to its drama and suspense. So there are different ways of captivating an audience.

Is mass appeal another way of saying to pander to the manchildren audience? I don't think there is really a mass appeal for animated shows outside of pretty limited niches in the West.
 

MrChom

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On that note, this a good topic of discussion. Which shows do you think have a mass appeal good enough that even non-anime viewers can enjoy? A recent example of a show that blew up with the masses is Attack on Titan, which obviously isn't a masterpiece but thanks to its action and its general feel, most folks seem to dig it. Erased is a good case of a good show, that can legitimately capture your attention thanks to its drama and suspense. So there are different ways of captivating an audience.

In the era of the Marvel and DC cinematic universes? Three words.

ONE

PUNCH

MAN

In other news Erased continues to be a very solid drama, and actually just got picked up for the UK over lunch by Anime Limited. Yeah.....they can have more of my money.
 

JulianImp

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We need Anime to pander to the crowd in the Fire Emblem thread...

I'd rather you hadn't gone there, since I believe the whole "fiasco" about the face-rubbing mini-game and it's removal in the US version got blown way out of proportion. Of course it was kind of weird and I'm not even that keen on the whole nadenade thing, but I never saw the backlash as being entirely justified or why would people end up praising the removal of said game system from the localized version of the game.

TPC basically built Voltorb Flip as a second mini-game to avoid having slot machines for the European release of Pokémon HG/SS, so I would've kind of liked to see work put into actually localizing the mini-game to make it more western-friendly. Then again, it sounds like that one subsystem had an absurd amount of VA lines that had to be recorded for it, so I guess reworking it in any way would've probably cost more money than it was worth.
 

JulianImp

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Erased #4
Now that was heartwarming, but given the sense of deja vu Satoru had and the episode name I knew things weren't going to end happily in episode four. Right until the final moments of the episode I thought
the girl who was accused of planting the lunch money inside Hinazuki's bag was going to be the target, since Satoru's fixation with helping Hinazuki not be alone anymore actually had a side effect of alienating that other girl... but it looks like I was led around by the show just like Satoru was by making assumptions about what was actually taking place (ie: too much focus on Kayo getting physically abused by her mom) and not even bothering to consider other possibilities as a result.

Also, I've got to say the whole red-eyes thing is getting kind of boring. I like how, besides the main time-travel premise, the show's trying its best to keep things grounded in a realistic setting, so having bad people's eyes turn red for some reason feels really out of place, and I'd rather not see it become some kind of weird plot point such as them being controlled by something else or anything like that, and using such a weird thing as a red herring would also be pretty weird.
 

Clov

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On the subject of introducing anime to non-anime viewers, I'd say films are a easy entry point. For people who are interested in film in general, Satoshi Kon's work, as well as Oshii and Takahata's films could be great introductions.
 
Divine Gate Episode 4
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Excellent episode, trying to uncover the answers to help set Aoto free from his past is good. I love how he has these people around to try to help him address these issues. He's been living in gloom and doom for so long that he is really just cold and not used to social situations. Even the friend log platform is foreign to him but at least he installed it and is trying. Akane is really going the extra mile to help.
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Even those that target him too, like Breunor are willing to help. They actually did have the best tag team fight as well so far. I hope they work together in the future
since they are both after the other Aoto, Aoto brother, which seemed like it was pretty clear in the flashback

Best moment
Aoto finally smiled and Akane calling him out on it, and Aoto denying it. Best few seconds ever
 

Szadek

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Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers - Ep. 1-3.
Not sure why I gave this show 3 episodes when I barely made it through the first episode.
Time to fix that mistake. Dropped.
 

Cornbread78

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Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers - Ep. 1-3.
Not sure why I gave this show 3 episodes when I barely made it through the first episode.
Time to fix that mistake. Dropped.

Bruh, the show hasn't even hit it's final form yet. It's still in it's initial stage of growth.
 

JulianImp

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Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers - Ep. 1-3.
Not sure why I gave this show 3 episodes when I barely made it through the first episode.
Time to fix that mistake. Dropped.

Please don't. It actually turns into a fairly interesting mystery show right after ep3, and crappy CGI monsters stop showing up every other scene.
 
Erased #4

Also, I've got to say the whole red-eyes thing is getting kind of boring. I like how, besides the main time-travel premise, the show's trying its best to keep things grounded in a realistic setting, so having bad people's eyes turn red for some reason feels really out of place, and I'd rather not see it become some kind of weird plot point such as them being controlled by something else or anything like that, and using such a weird thing as a red herring would also be pretty weird.

The red eyes thing is probably just a sign of Satoru's perception of people. You'll notice certain other characters have their eyes flash red when doing things that might make Satoru's idea of them wavers - such as when Yuuki notices that his porn stash is out. Perhaps it's not the best technique they could have chosen, but I think it's simply an indicator to the audience of who Satoru currently distrusts and a way to show that - while Satoru does have more knowledge of the situation than anyone else - the killer is still unknown to him.
 

blurr

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Erased 04

Everything's going great, not too great, just great. Then it's finished. It was a success. A sigh of relief but then that ending happened which is a cliffhanger. WHY.

I was so engrossed watching it, even if the ending was plain as day. I didn't care. I didn't want to care. I knew how Satoru felt the moment he was relieved. So well paced and narrated. I also loved those little moments he blurts out whatever he has in mind.
 

Russ T

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Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers - Ep. 1-3.
Not sure why I gave this show 3 episodes when I barely made it through the first episode.
Time to fix that mistake. Dropped.

Bruh, the show hasn't even hit it's final form yet. It's still in it's initial stage of growth.

Please don't. It actually turns into a fairly interesting mystery show right after ep3, and crappy CGI monsters stop showing up every other scene.

Gonna agree with these two. I don't blame anyone for wanting to drop Rokka after three episodes, but the fourth is where it actually comes into its own. Pretty unfortunate, haha.
 

Aki-at

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On that note, this a good topic of discussion. Which shows do you think have a mass appeal good enough that even non-anime viewers can enjoy? A recent example of a show that blew up with the masses is Attack on Titan, which obviously isn't a masterpiece but thanks to its action and its general feel, most folks seem to dig it. Erased is a good case of a good show, that can legitimately capture your attention thanks to its drama and suspense. So there are different ways of captivating an audience.

I think it really depends on the type of person you're introducing it to since anime is as diverse as any other medium, but three animes I wouldn't hesitate to suggest from my limited viewing of animation would be;

Shirokuma Cafe - This is a bit of an oddball choice and I think someone who enjoys a bit more of the wacky side of comedy could get behind this, though I'll admit out of the three I'd recommend this would probably get the least following. It isn't offensive in anyway and I think the fact it's generally about a polar bear running a cafe would work in it's favour.

One Punch Man - In an era where the superhero genre has never been more popular, I could see people loving this show from how it keeps poking fun at the genre, it helps that the action is over the top and flashy.

Monster - Now this is a show I'd recommend just about to anyone look for a show with great characters and an excellent plot. It's probably my favourite anime so it might be a bit of bias talking but it's also the most "real" whilst still obviously being overly fictitious piece of work, kind of like The Dark Knight I guess?

As always though, it depends on someone's specific tastes. I love The Thick of It but I'm not about to recommend it to someone who watches the Peep Show, if they liked Yes, Minister it's another matter of course :p
 
Mr. Nietzsche in the Convenience Store Episode 1

Another popular manga that instead of getting an anime gets a tv show instead. Was waiting for it, and it works. Several fairly hilarious moments with kind of always serious Nii-kun, overracting Kaede (love at first sight with Nii-kun) and Matsukomo.

I cant wait for more moments in the night shift at the convenience store.
 

phaze

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Lal'C is a better character alone then everyone in Gunbuster crammed together.

I agree.

Naruto: Shippuuden eps 60-225 or so.

you know... this show is still fun when it isn't trying to be all about emo boy.
some fun stuff in these eps. still undecided if I like or hate the rapping sand ninja >.>

This is imo the best stretch of Naruto altogether but the drop in quality after 253 is really bad and only gets worse.

Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers - Ep. 1-3.
Not sure why I gave this show 3 episodes when I barely made it through the first episode.
Time to fix that mistake. Dropped.
Despite the many "continue" replies, I'd say you're not really missing anything, especially since you seem to have quite high standards.

Kare Kano 9-10

This show needs more angry Miyazawa faces and less everything else. Mr. Bland was just send away so clearly even Anno agrees.
 

Szadek

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Gonna agree with these two. I don't blame anyone for wanting to drop Rokka after three episodes, but the fourth is where it actually comes into its own. Pretty unfortunate, haha.
I just did a bit of research . Apperently the story is unfinished and the anime will probably never get another season,because it sold really poorly.
I don't think that "the journey is the destination" works all that well for mystery shows.
 

duckroll

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The red eyes thing is probably just a sign of Satoru's perception of people. You'll notice certain other characters have their eyes flash red when doing things that might make Satoru's idea of them wavers - such as when Yuuki notices that his porn stash is out. Perhaps it's not the best technique they could have chosen, but I think it's simply an indicator to the audience of who Satoru currently distrusts and a way to show that - while Satoru does have more knowledge of the situation than anyone else - the killer is still unknown to him.

If it is just Satoru's perception, it won't explain why Kenya's eyes were red last week too. There's no reason at all for Satoru to have any suspicion of him in that scene. It definitely feels like a cheap audience gimmick.
 

Russ T

Banned
I just did a bit of research . Apperently the story is unfinished and the anime will probably never get another season,because it sold really poorly.
I don't think that "the journey is the destination" works all that well for mystery shows.

If you stop in the middle of the last episode, the story is conclusive enough, as far as I'm concerned!
 

Narag

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I just did a bit of research . Apperently the story is unfinished and the anime will probably never get another season,because it sold really poorly.
I don't think that "the journey is the destination" works all that well for mystery shows.

I don't even think that fondly of Rokka but I'd say that's wrong here. The larger story was always the least important thing in the anime while the central thrust of the mystery was given its due.
 

ibyea

Banned
If it is just Satoru's perception, it won't explain why Kenya's eyes were red last week too. There's no reason at all for Satoru to have any suspicion of him in that scene. It definitely feels like a cheap audience gimmick.

Wait, when was that? Not that I don't think the red eyes are a bit too hammy for a show that tries to be relatively grounded, but I don't remember that part.
 

firehawk12

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Mr. Nietzsche in the Convenience Store Episode 1
Another popular manga that instead of getting an anime gets a tv show instead. Was waiting for it, and it works. Several fairly hilarious moments with kind of always serious Nii-kun, overracting Kaede (love at first sight with Nii-kun) and Matsukomo.

I cant wait for more moments in the night shift at the convenience store.
How does it use Nietzsche? lol
 
How does it use Nietzsche? lol

"...When an angry customer screams at Tomoharu, "Customers are gods!," he replies, "God is dead." The manga follows the part-time worker life of Matsukoma and Tomoharu, the latter of whom continuously baffles his customers and co-workers at the convenience store with his odd ways.
 

Narag

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"...When an angry customer screams at Tomoharu, "Customers are gods!," he replies, "God is dead." The manga follows the part-time worker life of Matsukoma and Tomoharu, the latter of whom continuously baffles his customers and co-workers at the convenience store with his odd ways.

Firehawk's imagining some sort of Kevin Smith anime now.
 
To those who replied to my question, excellent choices so far. I had the day off today and was planning on spending most of it playing The Division Beta since I won't have time this weekend, but the anime called up to me.

Persona 3 Movie #3 - Falling Down

These movies have been so goddamn solid. Seeing Persona 3's story again in its full glory in a quality adaptation like this is a joy. Persona 3 is still to this day one of my most favourite games of all time. Still I gotta say... Movie #4 is gonna bring all those feelings from back then when I finished the game. Ugh. Gonna be a long wait anyway, so I can start getting ready now.
 

phaze

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Haikyuu S2 1-13

The writing in this may not be anything amazing, about what you would expect from a sports show but despite it, even when it's an entire cour of just training and without the benefit of getting to introduce the entire cast, I still enjoy the show as much as I did in the previous seasons. Good stuff.

Naruto Shippuden 445-446
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Garo The Crimson Moon - 16

I retract my optimism given from the previous episode. Despite some pretty big event happening last episode, we're back with side activities with dull attempts at comedy involving characters I don't care for.
As with the fighting, as quick and unsatisfying as ever! That monster design tho.
I had hopen to see more of the tainted princess, but she appears to have vanished. Speaking of vanished, Seimei pls come back, you're the morphine to my pain.

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I feel the same way
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
"...When an angry customer screams at Tomoharu, "Customers are gods!," he replies, "God is dead." The manga follows the part-time worker life of Matsukoma and Tomoharu, the latter of whom continuously baffles his customers and co-workers at the convenience store with his odd ways.
Firehawk's imagining some sort of Kevin Smith anime now.
Something something 30 cocks something!

So dude just talks to people in Nietzsche quotes? Why not. lol
 

JulianImp

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If it is just Satoru's perception, it won't explain why Kenya's eyes were red last week too. There's no reason at all for Satoru to have any suspicion of him in that scene. It definitely feels like a cheap audience gimmick.

Yeah, I think I remember something like that. I really hope it doesn't turn out to be yet another supernatural phenomenon, but even as a meta-hint of sorts it looks ham-fisted and really out of place. Satoru's time-travel ability's certainly pretty out there, but I like that the show has been pretty grounded in reality when it comes to everything else so far (sans the red eyes of ominousness).

I feel like the show possibly introducing more supernatural elements could turn this mystery into an unfair one. There have already been a couple scenes here and there where the audience was made aware of things the MC hasn't, which kind of clashes with him being our (probably unreliable) window into the world and its characters, so I'm wary of the show possibly widening the gap between Satoru and the audience's knowledge regarding things, people, places and events that could be used as hints to unveil the truth behind the mystery the show's presenting to us.

I don't even think that fondly of Rokka but I'd say that's wrong here. The larger story was always the least important thing in the anime while the central thrust of the mystery was given its due.

Yeah, I actually dropped the show exactly at episode 3 because I thought we'd be getting yet another group of heroes who have to battle against the demon king, but after reading so many episode reviews in here that told me the show was more than that I decided to jump back in, and made me glad that I did.

Even though the anime doesn't cover the whole "story", it has a mystery and wraps it up. I couldn't care less about how they go about defeating the demon king, but the whole mystery aspect was fairly well done and fun to watch week after week even though that's as far as I'm willing to praise the show, since I was really disappointed when I heard that the mesoamerican setting was something the anime team whipped up in two minutes to make the show stand out (it originally was a generic middle earth setting in its source material, which is why some characters and things feel out of place at times).

And since I'm posting here, I might as well post about...

Blood Blockade Battlefront #6-7 (and five minutes of #8)

I'm really liking that this show isn't going the boring shonen battle anime route, and instead has a mix of fun and (halfway) serious stuff going on. It looks like vampires might become a main focus soon with White's brother secretly being one (but why can't Leo realize that with his all-seeing eyes, anyway?) and that crazy amount of them being somewhere inside the mist, which I don't think is the thing I'd like this show to focus on... but then again there doesn't appear to be anything else to hold the plot together besides Leo's quest, which will obviously end up being related to vampires somehow because contrived anime coincidence logic.
 

Ascheroth

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Phantom World - 04

Nothing really noteworthy outside of the pretty visuals.

Heavy Object - 16

The Qwenthur and Havia dreamteam continues to show Objects how it's done. I love how crazy Qwenthurs imprompto plans always are.

Sekkou Boys - 04

Of course the episode that focuses on St. Giorgio is the best so far.
 
To those who replied to my question, excellent choices so far. I had the day off today and was planning on spending most of it playing The Division Beta since I won't have time this weekend, but the anime called up to me.

Persona 3 Movie #3 - Falling Down

These movies have been so goddamn solid. Seeing Persona 3's story again in its full glory in a quality adaptation like this is a joy. Persona 3 is still to this day one of my most favourite games of all time. Still I gotta say... Movie #4 is gonna bring all those feelings from back then when I finished the game. Ugh. Gonna be a long wait anyway, so I can start getting ready now.
A long wait? I thought the 4th less three months away.

Im still wait for my copy of this 3rd one. MECS/HECS caused mine to have shipping and delivery delays.
 
"...When an angry customer screams at Tomoharu, "Customers are gods!," he replies, "God is dead." The manga follows the part-time worker life of Matsukoma and Tomoharu, the latter of whom continuously baffles his customers and co-workers at the convenience store with his odd ways.

I wasn't even supposed to be here today no desu kawaii senpai
 
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