But this is a real problem when they have this type of control it will not end with censoring sex that's just the easy target
Sweet Baby Inc was the red herring. Collective Shout is the true enemy.
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kevboard
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Sweet Baby is WAAAY more insidious. this collective retard group is just a vocal group of fucking idiots that pressure payment partners to pull support, something multiple countries already have plans to make illegal btw.
Sweet Baby and other consulting firms on the other hand has infiltrated development teams. they have spread into multiple publishers like cancer and rot the industry from within.
these retarded aussies here are easily eliminated from the picture once one country starts making it illegal for Visa etc. to prevent someone from making a legal payment transaction. once the first domino falls, others will follow, and their idiotic plan will be done.
but good luck getting consulting firms full of reddit mods out of game development... that's gonna be way harder and will take way longer.
Sweet Baby and other consulting firms on the other hand has infiltrated development teams. they have spread into multiple publishers like cancer and rot the industry from within.
these retarded aussies here are easily eliminated from the picture once one country starts making it illegal for Visa etc. to prevent someone from making a legal payment transaction. once the first domino falls, others will follow, and their idiotic plan will be done.
but good luck getting consulting firms full of reddit mods out of game development... that's gonna be way harder and will take way longer.
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Nonehxc
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Shut up and go back to the weapons annex.
Who told you could stop doing those calibrations?
PeteBull
Member
By western standards even guy like myself would be considered religious christian conservative(while here in poland some ppl wouldnt even consider me true christian coz i dont go to church every week), and believe me every cell in my body screams with disgust at any woke ideology presented, woke directly opposes religion/christianity in particular.
Its not the situation of 2 tyrants like hitler/stalin making a pact right before WW2 or putin/xi jing ping cooperating closely from 2022 onwards.
Remember religion/conservative views do their best to keep women's sexuality under control(not in gaming, since those are polygons, not real ppl, irl its different story), coz they know its extremly important to society that women dont become degenerates, every civilisation/imperium failed right after society became degenerate, and same will happen to modern countries if they continue on this path, hell here in poland we already got 1,2 birthrate(2,1 is needed to sustain population) and we are not as far gone as western countries, u guys in the west simply got ur birthrate scewed by crazy african/middle-east imigration, imigrants from those parts of the world(who dont share any western values) have decent birthrates so in totality it looks not as terrible but if u check how it really looks- in many parts of western europe there are areas where u can walk 15min w/o meeting white person, if u check schools in those areas its all imigrants children in classes, maybe 1-2 kids out of 30 of ppl whos parents were born in europe and thats it
To not look far lets look at our western neighbour- german caliphate:
Demographics of Germany - Wikipedia
Give it one more generation and they wont have enough of able bodied men to defend their country from outside enemies(and we know russia wants to expand) who are patriotic enough to want to defend(and very likely die) the country.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
Yes,
Sweet Baby played a role in a movement that was ruining all games. Collective shout got rid of games I don't care about for sickos.
Now regular games need to have more for sickos to get extra sales.
Seems like this might play out ok, or at least I'm willing to watch it happen, the industry is stagnant.
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RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
Who/what is Collective Shout?
Two evils can exist without the need for a conspiracy,
Sweet baby is an ideologically driven consultancy that aims to push their agenda into gaming narratives. Their adherents are no less likely to enjoy porn than anyone else, Mercante is one of their loudest and is an only fans girl. I'm not gonna kink shame, but given their propensity to force relationships into narratives where there otherwise wouldn't be any, swinging penis's, bear sex, 'date anything', or high school furries, I'd argue they will be being particularly targeted by the banning of all porn games.
The other, collective shout, is a puritanical censorious pressure group based in a country (Australia) where such groups successfully banned vast amounts of either pornographic or violent content, and banned all guns, resulting from the same pressure campaigns. You see this regularly when major mature games are released and they are banned in Australia. These people have now found a way to impose those bans and ideology globally, by pressuring international payment providers, allowing them to circumvent any foreign laws where xyz is legal, and impose their laws/views.
Given what is banned in Australia, that they've already successfully taken down ALL nsfw games from itch, I would harbour no illusions that this stops at "porn games", but can be equally applied to any mature content. They've previously targeted GTA and Detroit in their prior campaigns. There's also no reason why in the U.S. they can't use the same tactic to effectively ban firearms. 50,000 Americans are shot to death every year, 50 school shootings. Visa helps facilitate those deaths. Guns are legal there, yes, but so is the other things they are targeting. Gun restriction legislation is completely paralysed in the U.S., and there are many who would want more regulation passed. As they can't do it legislatively, a very easy circumvention would just be to have payment providers block them. Requires zero congressional action to do so.
Sweet baby is an ideologically driven consultancy that aims to push their agenda into gaming narratives. Their adherents are no less likely to enjoy porn than anyone else, Mercante is one of their loudest and is an only fans girl. I'm not gonna kink shame, but given their propensity to force relationships into narratives where there otherwise wouldn't be any, swinging penis's, bear sex, 'date anything', or high school furries, I'd argue they will be being particularly targeted by the banning of all porn games.
The other, collective shout, is a puritanical censorious pressure group based in a country (Australia) where such groups successfully banned vast amounts of either pornographic or violent content, and banned all guns, resulting from the same pressure campaigns. You see this regularly when major mature games are released and they are banned in Australia. These people have now found a way to impose those bans and ideology globally, by pressuring international payment providers, allowing them to circumvent any foreign laws where xyz is legal, and impose their laws/views.
Given what is banned in Australia, that they've already successfully taken down ALL nsfw games from itch, I would harbour no illusions that this stops at "porn games", but can be equally applied to any mature content. They've previously targeted GTA and Detroit in their prior campaigns. There's also no reason why in the U.S. they can't use the same tactic to effectively ban firearms. 50,000 Americans are shot to death every year, 50 school shootings. Visa helps facilitate those deaths. Guns are legal there, yes, but so is the other things they are targeting. Gun restriction legislation is completely paralysed in the U.S., and there are many who would want more regulation passed. As they can't do it legislatively, a very easy circumvention would just be to have payment providers block them. Requires zero congressional action to do so.
Hector Hall
Member
Both are the enemy.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Say no more. It all makes sense now. I'd say they aren't in the same state or country as Sweet Baby Inc then. So, I'm not sure what the OP is even talking about.
Madflavor
Member
If you actually think SBI taking away your titties is a bigger threat to gaming that the shit Collective Shout just pulled this week, you need to get your fucking head checked.
Also this:
Also this:
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Zacfoldor
Member
Why do you love collective shout and sweet baby inc?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Personally I don't believe for even one nanosecond, that they'll be able to censor or stop the games from being sold that 95% of us on GAF like and actually play. I have zero worry about that. But learning that Paypal isn't a good alternative has me a little worried. I was thinking that people would have some sorta of work around, outside of VISA/Mastercard.
I don't like either. I'm just not afraid of them. There's always been a counter-balance in the world when it comes to content creation. It's been there for literally 1,000s of years. I've seen it in rap music in the early 90s, I've seen it in the 2000s against GTA, and now I'm seeing it again here. Time passes and we constantly get our feel good at the end of the day. Because money talks!!!
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digimaster7
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so what you're saying is this collective shout never bullies payment processor and steam and itch never removes anything, and this is all a dream? and we shouldn't complain about it that a payment processor have this kind of power?
have fun being cuck that got fucked by corporations for the rest of your life
Signalis
Member
She's probably miserable and angry because she has a smelly vagina. Now everyone has to suffer because of itHere, you can read up about the founder:
Melinda Tankard Reist - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I agree, this is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I'm not here to paint a broad brush stroke and blame all of conservatives or christianity groups for what this person and her group is doing. My issue is specifically with this group alone and how they're framing it. It seems to be working.
digimaster7
Member
for those supporting this group, you might want read on the founder's biography
en.wikipedia.org
they're not only anti-porn, but also anti-LGBT
quote: "as well as the removal of multiple Steam games alleged to have depicted rape, incest, and child abuse, but which journalistic investigations found to also include non-pornographic games containing LGBT themes."
Melinda Tankard Reist - Wikipedia
they're not only anti-porn, but also anti-LGBT
quote: "as well as the removal of multiple Steam games alleged to have depicted rape, incest, and child abuse, but which journalistic investigations found to also include non-pornographic games containing LGBT themes."
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spookyfish
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Collective Soul cover band.
Zacfoldor
Member
We'll win again this time but we fought them back then too.
I'm glad you feel safe and protected because we fight/fought these battles for you but it doesn't help when you actively mock our frail efforts.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
so what you're saying is this collective shout never bullies payment processor and steam and itch never removes anything, and this is all a dream? and we shouldn't complain about it that a payment processor have this kind of power?
have fun being cuck that got fucked by corporations for the rest of your life
LOL!!! No, clearly they have some form or power that they are using collectively to get things on their agenda done. But I'm not afraid of them at all, because literally every game I play and 95% of us on GAF won't be pulled off of shelves or digital stores due to this group of people.
Money Talks!
IFireflyl
Gold Member
for those supporting this group, you might want read on the founder's biography
Melinda Tankard Reist - Wikipedia
they're not only anti-porn, but also anti-LGBT
quote: "as well as the removal of multiple Steam games alleged to have depicted rape, incest, and child abuse, but which journalistic investigations found to also include non-pornographic games containing LGBT themes."
Bernardougf
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Nice strawmaning of what SBI and DEI has done to gaming
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Bernardougf
Member
Good since I dont care about any of those in my games.for those supporting this group, you might want read on the founder's biography
Melinda Tankard Reist - Wikipedia
they're not only anti-porn, but also anti-LGBT
quote: "as well as the removal of multiple Steam games alleged to have depicted rape, incest, and child abuse, but which journalistic investigations found to also include non-pornographic games containing LGBT themes."
nemiroff
Member
Yeah.. I've never been a fan of the shoehorning "woke", nor the censorship from the wannabe theocracy. This thread and alike is often baffling to me, because there are droves of people here who obviously don't have a clue who or what they are promoting.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Uh-Oh GAF.....we got a believer here!
Madflavor
Member
Yeah no. I dislike SBI for a number of reasons, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that uglifying women wasn't the #1 issue people had with them.
Just because one head of the hydra has been chopped off doesn't mean its dead.
Their movement bullied many idealistic people in positions that drive decisions of games being made even if the SBI name is no where near it. There are still games coming out they had direct influence on, but their involvement is being unaccredited as people have boycotted games they touched.
I can only hope many of the layoffs at studios were ridding themselves of much of the cancer, but I know there's will always be rot hanging around.
Success
Member
By western standards even guy like myself would be considered religious christian conservative(while here in poland some ppl wouldnt even consider me true christian coz i dont go to church every week), and believe me every cell in my body screams with disgust at any woke ideology presented, woke directly opposes religion/christianity in particular.
Its not the situation of 2 tyrants like hitler/stalin making a pact right before WW2 or putin/xi jing ping cooperating closely from 2022 onwards.
Remember religion/conservative views do their best to keep women's sexuality under control(not in gaming, since those are polygons, not real ppl, irl its different story), coz they know its extremly important to society that women dont become degenerates, every civilisation/imperium failed right after society became degenerate, and same will happen to modern countries if they continue on this path, hell here in poland we already got 1,2 birthrate(2,1 is needed to sustain population) and we are not as far gone as western countries, u guys in the west simply got ur birthrate scewed by crazy african/middle-east imigration, imigrants from those parts of the world(who dont share any western values) have decent birthrates so in totality it looks not as terrible but if u check how it really looks- in many parts of western europe there are areas where u can walk 15min w/o meeting white person, if u check schools in those areas its all imigrants children in classes, maybe 1-2 kids out of 30 of ppl whos parents were born in europe and thats it
To not look far lets look at our western neighbour- german caliphate:
Official data from the wiki, not some bogus "rightwing extremist" site, only 74% of population has german nationality, and even with such huge immigration influx their fertility rate collapsed from 2,5 in mid 1960's(basically last time germans had conservative society, no feminism/birthcontrol pill etc) to current 1,35(official data in 2024). 1965 was 2,5 birthrate to 1975 1,48 birthrate, in short span of 10 fricken years, and guess what was discovered durning that time?Demographics of Germany - Wikipedia
Give it one more generation and they wont have enough of able bodied men to defend their country from outside enemies(and we know russia wants to expand) who are patriotic enough to want to defend(and very likely die) the country.
Surprised and disappointed that you agree with Collective Shout
PeteBull
I thought you would be the first person to stand against this.
Omnipunctual Godot
Member
What are you talking about, OP? Sweet Baby Inc. ruined several major games. That's not a red herring. Both can be bad.
BattleScar
Member
The clowns in here supporting this will keep supporting it, until their waifu games get censored.
Can't keep complaining about ugly characters, and then at the same time support the removal of any references to sex or sexuality. You think that bouncing tiddies aren't going to be targeted? Lmao
Can't keep complaining about ugly characters, and then at the same time support the removal of any references to sex or sexuality. You think that bouncing tiddies aren't going to be targeted? Lmao
simpatico
Member
But, I thought if we held libertarian ideals, everyone else would follow suit? It's almost like anyone who chooses to vacate power for some high-minded ideals is destined to get fucked by the next group who fills that vacuum.
Like it or not America: you don't get to live in a country you recognize if you're not willing to be mean and crush your ideological opposition. You're either wearing the boot or you're under it. There's no option to just wish the boot didn't exist because the thought of being assertive makes you uncomfortable.
Oh and no, they don't just need you to explain how intuitively amazing these ideals are, they're not interested in what you're selling. They know what you're getting at, and they think it's retarded.
Like it or not America: you don't get to live in a country you recognize if you're not willing to be mean and crush your ideological opposition. You're either wearing the boot or you're under it. There's no option to just wish the boot didn't exist because the thought of being assertive makes you uncomfortable.
Oh and no, they don't just need you to explain how intuitively amazing these ideals are, they're not interested in what you're selling. They know what you're getting at, and they think it's retarded.
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PeteBull
Member
No idea if its this one u talking about:Never heard of that company till this topic in gaf, bro, and i dont care to google them tbh
But if it is, aka their agenda is to ban porn- its stupid af, males have around 17x higher testosterone lvls from females, and we are horny basically if not all then most of the time, banning porn wont make us less horny suddenly, we will still do crazy stupid shit to get laid(dont have to give examples, most of gaffers are guys, so we all know how stupid we were in our teenage years/20s and hell even 30s and to what lenghts we can go to get our dick wet- there is a reason "postnut clarity" term exists, thats basically only time guys think with their bigger head, and it doesnt last long rofl
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
girls are stupid throw rocks at them!
Walliwallipaloo
Member
There's a reason they call it a slippery slope. Most people agree that bizarre, harmful fetishy stuff should go away. But where does this stop?
The simple takeaway is that credit card companies should NOT be engaging in censorious activity of any kind. They should not be telling you what you can purchase and what you can't. They should not be a vehicle for sidestepping free-speech laws.
If a product is legal to purchase, there is no reason why a person should be barred from purchasing it if it is legal for them to do so. You want to argue its legality? Then do it in the proper arena.
This cannot continue.
That is a disgustingly dismal view, and one that is bullheadedly wrong, no less. If you're a forever-alone loser, maybe. That nonsense is reductive to the entire male part of the species.
The simple takeaway is that credit card companies should NOT be engaging in censorious activity of any kind. They should not be telling you what you can purchase and what you can't. They should not be a vehicle for sidestepping free-speech laws.
If a product is legal to purchase, there is no reason why a person should be barred from purchasing it if it is legal for them to do so. You want to argue its legality? Then do it in the proper arena.
This cannot continue.
No idea if its this one u talking about:
https://www.collectiveshout.org/
But if it is, aka their agenda is to ban porn- its stupid af, males have around 17x highest testosterone lvls from females, and we are horny basically if not all then most of the time, banning porn wont make us less horny suddenly, we will still do crazy stupid shit to get laid(dont have to give examples, most of gaffers are guys, so we all know how stupid we were in our teenage years/20s and hell even 30s and to what lenghts we can go to get our dick wet- there is a reason "postnut clarity" term exists, thats basically only time guys think with their bigger head, and it doesnt last long rofl
That is a disgustingly dismal view, and one that is bullheadedly wrong, no less. If you're a forever-alone loser, maybe. That nonsense is reductive to the entire male part of the species.
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Ok fine, "cam girl" then (that's what she's on film personally stating), I'm not sure what the the point is of arguing over the nuance of what platform she used. OF, cam girl, same shit, nothing wrong with it either. The point is more that that is also a target of this Australian groups, as are many of her friends, who again she's stated, in video interview that many of whom are sex workers. Again, nothing wrong with that, but that's my point, what she advocates for and how she and her friends live their lives is very different to the goals and action of collective shout. So the suggestion that there is a conspiracy between companies like sweet baby inc and collective shout is ridiculous.
Dr.Morris79
Member
Maaaaa! They took ma Incest game orf Stem!
Maaaaa!
Maaaaa!
Gp1
Member
Without even going into the merit/taste of the content that they are going after...
Whenever I see a "collective xxxxxxx", in 99% of the cases we are dealing with some kind of radical left leaning communist shit show bulling group.
The fact that they are going through the credit card companies (the corner stone of capitalism) to achieve their censoring goal just make the situation even more absurd.
If the "content" is legal and for adults only I don't see why it should be censored or banned.
Whenever I see a "collective xxxxxxx", in 99% of the cases we are dealing with some kind of radical left leaning communist shit show bulling group.
The fact that they are going through the credit card companies (the corner stone of capitalism) to achieve their censoring goal just make the situation even more absurd.
If the "content" is legal and for adults only I don't see why it should be censored or banned.
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Bernardougf
Member
So first was boobs, and now is uglifying.. at least its one more reason on your strawman argument
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Madflavor
Member
Not being able to goon to some wierd fetish game is not the problem here people. The problem is some random group of people pressured major credit card companies to censor what can and cannot be sold, and they obliged.
You're living in clown world if you think this is a good thing, and you're fooling yourself if you think it'll stop here. Collective Shout have gone after other games, including GTA, and now they just succeeded on getting a bunch of NSFW games pulled. You don't think this is going to embolden them or other groups like them to keep pushing the envelope? It's all a bunch of chuckles for you until one day something you're interested in gets censored, and you're left angry wondering how could this happen. Look at something like Baldur's Gate 3 and all the crazy shit that happens in that game like genocide, beastiality, children being killed, sex scenes, etc. You think that if groups like CS and companies like Visa and Mastercard aren't regulated and allowed to keep doing this, that they wouldn't one day go after something like BG3? Did you also think Horse Armor DLC would be as bad as it would get?
It's not for credit card companies to decide what you can and cannot purchase.
You're living in clown world if you think this is a good thing, and you're fooling yourself if you think it'll stop here. Collective Shout have gone after other games, including GTA, and now they just succeeded on getting a bunch of NSFW games pulled. You don't think this is going to embolden them or other groups like them to keep pushing the envelope? It's all a bunch of chuckles for you until one day something you're interested in gets censored, and you're left angry wondering how could this happen. Look at something like Baldur's Gate 3 and all the crazy shit that happens in that game like genocide, beastiality, children being killed, sex scenes, etc. You think that if groups like CS and companies like Visa and Mastercard aren't regulated and allowed to keep doing this, that they wouldn't one day go after something like BG3? Did you also think Horse Armor DLC would be as bad as it would get?
It's not for credit card companies to decide what you can and cannot purchase.
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PeteBull
Member
Agree 100% here.
PeteBull
Member
Majority of humans are stupid, just check avg IQ in countries around the world, even top most inteligent countries got barely 100 IQ and many are below 80IQ on avg
laynelane
Member
Looking at the damage done to long-standing franchises (eg. Dragon Age), studios, select games, etc., it's impossible to overstate how much harm SBI and their ilk have done to gaming. When comparing that to something like Collective Shout, it's not an either/or situation. The impact is in different areas and has different effects. Also, I'm not eager to pin what we're seeing with games being removed from market places solely on one organization. Reactionary judgements are seldom accurate especially since it's highly unlikely we have the full picture of what's really going on.
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