hinch7
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With Xbox soon to release a Next-Gen console & handheld where does this leave the state of game development on Series S/X?
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digoutyoursoul
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This is my problem with them tho. When you say they would get stomped by releasing in the same window as PS6, why? I don't dispute it as such or are critical of you at all,
What I'm getting at is, it feels like it's accepted that they simply can't offer anything more competitive and of such quality to be a better product and be an offering that is a great choice as an alternative to PlayStation. That issue is not getting addressed and it's a people problem.
They dance around what the issues are and instead go with a throw shit at the wall and see what sticks, using their troops in the media and socials to push narratives that suit what they are doing.
The defeatist attitude is accepted from a company that can outspend or has , the competition and let's face it, been outclassed by that competition for a substantial time yet fans are supposed to just accept it and be satisfied with whatever strategy they go with next to clear up the last messy one.
Its not a fanboy thing for me, it's believing they should have done much better and the people responsible are not being called out by the press, all the while a potentially brilliant brand regresses further and further.
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reinking
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Wasted for nothing? If anything, as a publisher, it significantly improved their portfolio.
Zacfoldor
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Current XSX owners will feel like shit because MS ended their gen early.
I am one. Though….. I'm a sucker for new hardware. If it's interesting, I'll bite, but the successful of the device will be determined by whether or not I would recommend the system to a casual. Probably not.
I am one. Though….. I'm a sucker for new hardware. If it's interesting, I'll bite, but the successful of the device will be determined by whether or not I would recommend the system to a casual. Probably not.
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PauloRoberto
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And this newly and improved portifolio did NOTHING to 'change the needle', to be honest...
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
I don't believe in an xbox next gen, all of Microsoft's moves suggest that they have given up fighting for hardware sales. The next Xbox will be an oem PC made by third party partners similar to the Steam Machine so it will be the biggest generational leap after all it will be a PC.
It will be a Homeric flop bigger than xbox series.
''power'' Sony and Nintendo fight with games. Microsoft is lost because it is using proven failed strategies, its cycles of ideas are repeating themselves.
It will be a Homeric flop bigger than xbox series.
''power'' Sony and Nintendo fight with games. Microsoft is lost because it is using proven failed strategies, its cycles of ideas are repeating themselves.
reinking
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...but it did move the needle. Did you see their financials? You even start out by calling them "the biggest game publisher in the world." Moving the needle on console sales will no longer be their focus. Moving units of software will be.
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NomenNescio
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PauloRoberto
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Given their numbers before and after the merge, wrong. The resutls are asbolutely flat or even less that flat if you consider MS + Activision as 2 separate corporations.
plip.plop
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I really hope MS goes hybrid next generation. A handheld system with an optional dock with a GPU built in to boost the graphics.
But with the recent news that PS has two GPUs in development. I think they are going this route.
It would be the best evolution for consoles going forward.
3 sku's -
Handheld (Main System)
Optional addons:
Dock, and Dock with optical drive.
But with the recent news that PS has two GPUs in development. I think they are going this route.
It would be the best evolution for consoles going forward.
3 sku's -
Handheld (Main System)
Optional addons:
Dock, and Dock with optical drive.
MarkMe2525
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Generations are dead.
RetroGamingUK
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Any box that plays Steam games that isn't produced by Valve will be expensive as fuck.
As for the "handheld", Nintendo will slaughter them in that market regardless of power.
As for the "handheld", Nintendo will slaughter them in that market regardless of power.
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Cyberpunkd
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This. Its going to be 2026 at the earliest, probably 2027.
diffusionx
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Xbox branded PC would be the stupidest device imaginable and I don't think Phil Spencer is stupid enough to do that.
chokotoureiki
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I'm willing to bet MS announces their next console before Nintendo next year.
Lunarorbit
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Why does Microsoft keep trying to get console supremacy by releasing their offering way earlier?
I know developers weren't thrilled with series s development so what's the rush? Is it they have lots of games in dev and they want to force Sony hand?
I know developers weren't thrilled with series s development so what's the rush? Is it they have lots of games in dev and they want to force Sony hand?
Cakeboxer
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I think they are going for a high end handheld + highend console as a fan service and that's their last gen with hardware. No matter what they do, they can't compete with Sony and Nintendo. Or maybe they work something out with Steam and it's a more or less full fledged pc.
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pasterpl
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I worry how 60 million of PlayStation 5 owners will see that a way to proper experience this gen on Sony console is only via PS Pro (no stuttering, no big fps drops, better textures, higher resolution, more RT, and higher fps). /s
Now to the topic, I think MS can take Sony approach and still develop games for next Xbox while releasing these in downgraded version on xbseries consoles. They will be a worse experience but will be playable. You know like cyberpunk on max/ultra settings with path tracing etc. vs PS5/XBSX version without all the bells and whistles, lower res and fps.
I am sure that MS will pack the next Xbox with lots of AI hardware and software - they already got working windows super resolution etc. But this suggest Qualcomm hardware.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
they will do, it's necessary to be able to abandon the consoles without showing that they have abandoned an example of this we see with the triad Nintendo Switch, Wii U and 3DS the movement is the same.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
It's not their fault this time. In fact, the Xbox Series is having sales similar to consoles after being discontinued. They won't keep a console rejected by the public for another 2 years. In the first half of 2025 they will announce the new generation, in fact they already did this months ago.
thismeinteil
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Who even cares. Xbox is basically dead. MS is just slowly removing the bandaid instead of just ripping it off like Sega did. PS6 WILL RULE THEM ALL!
splattered
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I just got a new high end Asus router (first time going Asus for router and it's amazing) ... i *think* asus gaming hardware has some sort of traffic prioritization/acceleration technology built in that works with their networking equipment. If Asus built out the handheld for Xbox and included the traffic tech to work with my router i would be fucking stoked.
Physiognomonics
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2026 is not soon. If they were releasing in 2025 they would have already announced it to counter PS5 Pro like they did with X1X, announcing one year earlier before PS4 Pro.
When they release their next console developers will do great patches on PS5 Pro, all games running at 60fps + RT + AI upscaling, highly reducing the gap vs next Xbox.
When they release their next console developers will do great patches on PS5 Pro, all games running at 60fps + RT + AI upscaling, highly reducing the gap vs next Xbox.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Only idiots that think a gen is 6 years or more. I'm expecting next box in 2025.
Parazels
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If the rumors about pc hardware + console interface are true,
then Microsoft will not make more efforts, than they do now. New games will launch on Xbox Series, pc and Next Xbox, which runs pc games.
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diffusionx
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anyone who thinks an early launch Xbox would do any different is fooling themselves. When are they going to announce it, the same week Indiana Jones launches on PS5?
Xbox console is done.
MisterXDTV
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Yeah, that will happen
Killing off the console with 50%+ of your users (that are not that many in the first place)
Great idea...
Fess
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A traditional Xbox in 2026 would fail. There is no market for it. Maybe 10m max. They need to make dramatic changes.
If they turn it into a PC of sorts we can assume that there will be some Xbox hardware in there for backwards compatibility, and a new UI, they won't just sell a regular Windows 11 PC with a Xbox logo.
There is also the possibility that they release the "Xbox" as a dedicated big screen focused OS we can install on our current PCs. Similar to SteamOS but for multiple launchers.
That would be interesting. But the OS needs to have full Windows compatibility so devs don't need to make specific versions for it. They need to remove all friction for devs, regular PC versions, otherwise devs will skip it.
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MisterXDTV
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PS5 Pro is a mid-gen, so it will never have a SINGLE exclusive in its entire lifetime.... That's why it's called mid-gen and it's completely optional
If Xbox makes a completely new machine, it's not a mid-gen at all.... It's a reboot
Nice try though
SonyToo™
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Whether it's stupid or smart depends entirely on the overall strategy they're thinking about for the Xbox division.
Does MS want a product to sell 70+ million units?
If the strategy is to replicate the PS console proposition again, compete against it, gain market share of 70+ million unit and secure a wallet garden... yes, it would be stupid. Because to achieve that goal then they would have to go back to the strategy of first and 3rd party exclusivity of big franchises on the Xbox Store and hope that works while losing billions.
Is MS content to keep its loyal user base while trying to offer features that might attract new ones or win back some lost ones?
if their strategy is multiplatform, merge Windows games and XBOX games stores and stop looking at or competing with Sony and simply create different hardware proposals that attract their loyal users and potentially new ones with an interesting and different proposition... Then the option of a hybrid product that brings together the benefits of a console and PC compatibility is the best and it is for many reasons in a situation where the option of repeating the traditional console strategy does not work or is not enough to grow the XBOX business:
- Compatibility to run PC games from different stores ensures 3rd party hardware support. Users will not have to fear that their 500-700 or 1000$ product will become a paperweight.
It would be MS' job to ensure the means, devKit, APIs, BC etc. so that the games on the Xbox store are the best optimized for the hardware vs. games from Steam or other available stores. Studios will appreciate the initiative because it saves resources.
-PC, Xbox "console" and Handheld would be platforms that are united and not diversified.
-Breaking with the PlayStation times and generations and betting on continuous hardware updates. It implies different hardware targets or who knows if just focusing on hardcore.
Of course, no one knows if this proposal would be correct and will work, but what is certain is that the traditional console strategy neither works nor is compatible with its strategy of being both the largest game publisher in the industry and a console hardware manufacturer.
Parazels
Member
I think we often overlook Nintendo in our discussions.
In my opinion, Switch 2 will be an even stronger competitor to handhelds AND traditional consoles. I expect tons of multiplatform games on the new Nintendo's sports car, which wasn't a thing on Switch 1.
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digdug2
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Hence why you offer the owners of Series S a great deal on an upgrade. You also deserve a football to the face for your snarky bullshit.Yeah, that will happen
Killing off the console with 50%+ of your users (that are not that many in the first place)
Great idea...
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diffusionx
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nobody is going to buy a Xbox branded PC. That is stupid. PC gamers will jsut keep doing what they are doing. They're not going to pay extra for Xbox hardware for backwards compatibility because they dont have Xbox games. That thing would be even more limited.
LOL, you say it like we're in a generation where the vast majority of PS5 games weren't crossgen or remakes....PS5 Pro is a mid-gen, so it will never have a SINGLE exclusive in its entire lifetime.... That's why it's called mid-gen and it's completely optional
If Xbox makes a completely new machine, it's not a mid-gen at all.... It's a reboot
Nice try though
SonyToo™
The situation is equivalent since the transitions between generations are increasingly blurred. Generation reboots are no more. You're going to play the same games but the experience is going to be different enough.
The effects and impact for the user is exactly the same.
You pay €800 for a PS5Pro to play the same games better than PS5 (or even PS4) and you're fine with it. The same could be said for that "XboxNext" which surely Will have better CPU, GPU and AI capabilities than PS5Pro and will run a lot of the same games but better and surely some games that only work on it and high-end PCs.
The same for who will buy an RTX 5090 to play the same games as he can play on its RTX 3060, on its PS4/5, Xseries... And surely future PS6
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diffusionx
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IMO you guys are way overthinking this. Here is an outline of the current situation:
One, Xbox has totally failed. It's getting outsold 4-1. Nobody wants these devices. This is despite the fact that the system is well designed, it's priced reasonably, you can play good games on it, and it has a huge array of services. Selling more Xbox is a losing strategy.
Two, despite the popularity of stuff like steam deck on sites like this, it doesn't sell THAT well. Switch is outselling it now let alone in 2018. There is not a lot of evidence that the market hungers for for these types of devices. They're niche at best.
Three MS is porting all their games to PS5. Yes all of them.
Four, MS hardware market is collapsing on all fronts not just Xbox. They are also now a service company according to themselves.
If MS wants to get people off Xbox it is far easier to just say it's the end of the line for Xbox , keep selling Series X for playing Xbox games, but say you can find their games on PS or PC going forward. That makes far more sense than making some expensive boondoggle stopgap device that already has an end date before it even comes out
MisterXDTV
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Hence why you offer the owners of Series S a great deal on an upgrade. You also deserve a football to the face for your snarky bullshit.
It wouldn't work even if they gave Series X away for free in exchange for the S
Let alone asking money for it...
There's that thing called brand trust....
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
there is no way imho the xbox can be a console like the Series X was. Next gen Xbox It's a family of standard ''Asus devices'' handheld, ''console'' that means prebuilt PC and an Xbox OS to transform any PC into an Xbox. Yes, it's the same failed strategy as 3DO and Steam Machines. IMO will be released November 2025.
digdug2
Member
Brand trust doesn't exist anymore for Xbox. Let's put on our critical thinking hats and work through this together.
Xbox Series is a lost generation for Microsoft and that's because Series S killed it. Developers can't include features that they originally planned because the S isn't powerful enough to include them. Since MS wanted feature parity in S and X, the games have suffered greatly.
Sure, Series S accounts for 50% of Xboxes sold this generation, but that's for 2 reasons. 1) Series X was hard to come by originally, meanwhile Series S was stacked to the ceiling in most stores. 2) Microsoft led people to believe that they were getting a massive upgrade from last gen for an inexpensive price point. We know how that one turned out.
Xbox Series is a lost generation for Microsoft and that's because Series S killed it. Developers can't include features that they originally planned because the S isn't powerful enough to include them. Since MS wanted feature parity in S and X, the games have suffered greatly.
Sure, Series S accounts for 50% of Xboxes sold this generation, but that's for 2 reasons. 1) Series X was hard to come by originally, meanwhile Series S was stacked to the ceiling in most stores. 2) Microsoft led people to believe that they were getting a massive upgrade from last gen for an inexpensive price point. We know how that one turned out.
JohnnyFootball
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It still has a way to go but with SteamOS gradually becoming more and more a thing, I think MS needs to get a gaming focused Windows OS out sooner rather than later.
While it has obvious drawbacks (the biggest being limited to AMD hardware), Bazzite OS (Steam OS) has effectively made my friends 7800X3D/7900XTX setup a full blown console with all the bells and whistles of PC gaming. One little button turns on VRR, HDR, etc. It's incredibly remarkable how well it works.
It would be so MS, that when they become a 3rd party gaming publishers than gamers start abandoning their OS.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The Series S has certainly created issues, the the biggest issue for MS has (and will likely always be) getting high quality exclusive games out. Constant delays and very underwhelming games that did come out (Halo Infinite, Starfield) effectively doomed the console. They never had competent oversight and let unqualified people run their studios. Phil Spencer and Matt Booty deserve the blame for this. Rodd Fergusson was their best hire and they will likely let him walk, when he should be made in charge of everything.
Indiana Jones is the one game that I think has the potential to be Xbox best first party release (and that is now coming to PS5).
Avowed I still have mixed feelings about.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The legit best thing Microsoft could do for gaming right now, would be an Xbox like OS on PC. Assuming it performed well and was stable, I would pay $100 for it.
Shin-Ra
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They just released Hellblade II, the very first Series X game announced at The Game Awards, to little fanfare. Forza Motorsport, an Xbox staple released like a fart in the wind a year ago. Fable and Perfect Dark still aren't close to release.
If I'd bought into Series X this gen the last thing I'd want to hear about is a next-gen system or another Series S-like portable spec.
If I'd bought into Series X this gen the last thing I'd want to hear about is a next-gen system or another Series S-like portable spec.
