99.9% of viewers aren't going to care about this, and it will absolutely have no impact on viewer reception of the MCU moving forward. That's my point. To you (and others) it might, but this isn't going to cause the public to stop going to see superhero films.
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99.9% of viewers aren't going to care about this, and it will absolutely have no impact on viewer reception of the MCU moving forward. That's my point. To you (and others) it might, but this isn't going to cause the public to stop going to see superhero films.
I am British.
I live in Europe.
Everyone I know has heard of Wonder Woman.
Everyone.
I didn't say it would!
Heard about is not know about. And cool, from two guys on NeoGAF everyone have heard of Wonder Woman
This confirms that everyone in Asia, Europe and Asia knows her perfectly and will bother to go in her movie. DC is saved!
To be fair, you said that plot device was what was going to let all of the air out of the MCU. I'm stating that audiences won't care, and therefore it won't.
What a strangely beautiful post. Have you ever considered writing lyrics for Coldplay?
Why did I bother responding at all?
Creatively it will. Will it mean people stop going to see them? Probably not. Transformers and all that.
Hell, Fox have clearly stopped bothering about logic of any sort when it comes to their X-Men films. People don't seem to mind. There are 21 years between First Class and Apocalypse and no one cares.
milanbaros
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The awareness of WW in UK would be very high even if no one has actually read/watched her entertainment.
Diprosalic
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maybe in the uk as it's a lot closer to the US due to languege but mainland europe? i'm very geeky and never heard of her until like two years ago. i still don't know who she is or what she can do.
superheroes weren't a thing here outside of those who had movies.
It didn't do incredibly well but I would call that and Thor a sort of "loss leader" film, that needed to happen to introduce the characters and build up for Avengers, which obviously paid off hugely. Now the MCU is such that the solo introduction films are all blockbusters themselves, not just the teamup films, but that occurred from the gradual and patient brand construction.
I would have said Captain America was a hard sell in the 2010s for a variety of reasons, and he was, but it paid off in the end with careful management; now he's easily one of their star attractions, and not just in the US.
You got few things off
Wong was not singled out when resurrected, dozens of people were resurrected simultaneously in the process of restoring the sanctum. The Ancient One was also not resurrected which would have been incredibly easy to do. They make a point of stressing that time should not be manipulated outside of extreme circumstances like when all of reality is threatened. On top of all that, Strange doesn't even have the stone anymore, won't have it in Thor Ragnarok, and will likely lose it in the next movie in which it appears.
Your complaints of inconsistency or plot breaking don't hold much water.
You aren't serious? Are you seriously saying my argument doesn't hold water because he uses it on
dozens of people rather than just Wong
Good grief.
If anything that reinforces my point.
Ahhh, so only when
'reality is threatened'
It's nonsense.
Bringing a character back from the dead is the ultimate lazy, hackneyed plot device. It totally ruins the idea that anyone can die given that anyone can be brought back with some green light show
PhoncipleBone
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However, in Infinity War, when all reality is threatened, Strange won't have the ability to do that trick again. (Doctor Strange spoiler)
Since Thanos will have the time gem at the time, and Strange won't.
You're missing the point. Perhaps drop the condescension.
What you're describing doesn't even occur in that movie,
People aren't brought back to life deliberately. The only instance where resurrection occurs is a byproduct of restoring the sanctum which was an extreme circumstance. You're ignoring that they could have used it selfishly to bring back the Ancient One but didn't for clearly defined reasons. Who the hell knows what's going to happen in Infinity War, maybe the stones will be used carelessly in a way that undermines any and all stakes but that's not guaranteed or even likely based on what we've seen. Your argument that anyone can be brought back at any time is completely absurd.
BronsonLee
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Oh my god this shit reads like a redacted FBI document, I hate you all
ESPECIALLY you for this exact reason
ESPECIALLY you for this exact reason
Right. That's why this is a non issue. Yes, the eye is too powerful for someone like Strange to have or use. While it worked out in this movie, it won't always be that way. That will be made abundantly clear going forward.
I live in Norway and most everyone here has heard about her too. Kids will recognise the suit and dress up as her.
Not know about? Not any less than superheroes in general. People generally don't "know" superheroes beyond their looks in Europe. There's no traidition for reading superhero comic books. So they know her look, her name. Same with Superman and Batman beyond the movies: They just know superheroes as pop cultural icons.
For sure Wonder Woman is more known in Europe than any non-Spidey Marvel hero prior to the MCU.
But the fact that Thanos steals the gem doesn't mean that A)
Strange brought people back from the dead
This bell has been rung and cannot be unrung, narratively speaking.
ESPECIALLY you for this exact reason
*nods*
I understand, old boy.
*sips tea*
I think it's wonder woman's reach in Europe which will be fine but back to box office. Monday Fantastic Beasts did $2.1 million compared to Moana's $2.3 million so either Moana had a hard drop or Beasts is holding really well
superdeluxe
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And yet the movie that was the guarantee to be one of the top grossing comic movie of all time didn't even crack one billion. (Batman vs Superman)
PhoncipleBone
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But next year we have the best DC movie to look forward to:
But next year we have the best DC movie to look forward to:
It actually looks surprisingly awesome
PhoncipleBone
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Aint nothing surprising about it. Batman was one of the best parts of the LEGO Movie, and that movie was shockingly great. I thought it was just going to be some crass, soulless toy commercial, but it was actually a great film. It just also happened to be a toy commercial.
The LEGO Batman Movie for me is looking like Galaxy Quest or Shaun of the Dead. It is obviously a big love letter to something, and digging deep for references and fun, but also recognizing the inherent silliness of it all and not afraid to make fun of it. It is a very, very fine line to walk.
Well said
Ignatz Mouse
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All this argument about bringing people back from the dead seems kinda silly when you consider that Thanos
Comic books aren't known for having lasting consequences, and the movies will go that way too. X-franchise already has.
literally kills half the universe, then resurrects them in Infinity Challenge-- which is the likely inspiration for the upcoming movie.
Comic books aren't known for having lasting consequences, and the movies will go that way too. X-franchise already has.
Pai Pai Master
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I mean, there hasn't been an outright BAD Marvel debut movie yet. We will see, the combination of an unknown hero and a straight up shitty movie could break the seemingly unending streak.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
I am trying to remember if it was in a BO thread or another one where a poster went off about how offensive LEGO Batman is and it is a disrespect to the Batman character. It was a good laugh since that person seemed incapable of having a laugh about Batman.
True that. But, I don't see Marvel breaking too far from their mold. They will take some chances, but nothing too extreme.
I just wonder what will happen when Feige steps down. If he does.
True that. But, I don't see Marvel breaking too far from their mold. They will take some chances, but nothing too extreme.
I just wonder what will happen when Feige steps down. If he does.
PhoncipleBone
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Everyone knows who Wonder Woman is. That doesn't mean that everyone will go see the film.
Unless the early buzz is very damning, I think WW will have a good opening weekend, but nothing gangbusters. The quality of the film will affect the legs a lot after that.
Worst case scenario: Green Lantern level gross domestic. Worldwide will pick up some of the slack from there.
Unless the early buzz is very damning, I think WW will have a good opening weekend, but nothing gangbusters. The quality of the film will affect the legs a lot after that.
Worst case scenario: Green Lantern level gross domestic. Worldwide will pick up some of the slack from there.
I watched the trailer before Fantastic Beasts and laughed a few times while the rest of the theater was dead silent.But next year we have the best DC movie to look forward to:
Felt bad. :c
I'm guessing you've never read the Infinity Guantlet.
What you are complaining about is one of the reasons why the stones are so dangerous in the wrong hands. When you get them all you are literally omnipotent.
Yes, you can bring back the dead in the MCU. This is not a bell that needs to be unrung. It's part of the source material.
Exactly. Complaining about the infinity stones being too powerful is chuckle worthy. That's the whole point.
Civil War comic event was also the inspiration for the 3rd cap movie, but they changed all the shitty stuff.
The same team is behind the next avengers movies, so hopefully they leave out the bad stuff in the comic events.
The infinity stones are probably going to be destroyed or something in infinity war. Unlike comics, setting up the infinity gauntlet is a one time pay out. Once the end game with them is played out, there's no real need to keep them around from a MCU storytelling position.
Moana is an animated film that largely plays to families. Animated films have lower weekdays during the school year. The less you film targets families or the high school crowd, the lighter your Monday drops are. That's also why Allied was #3 and Arrival was #4 on Monday, despite the fact that Doctor Strange made more than both over the weekend.
For those interested, Deadline is saying $3.2M for Moana and $3.0M for Fantastic Beasts on Tuesday. The actuals should be fairly close. Frozen made $2.5M and Tangled made $1.7M on that same Tuesday. However, cheap Tuesday has lead to much bigger Tuesday bumps in recent years.
Moana is an animated film that largely plays to families. Animated films have lower weekdays during the school year. The less you film targets families or the high school crowd, the lighter your Monday drops are. That's also why Allied was #3 and Arrival was #4 on Monday, despite the fact that Doctor Strange made more than both over the weekend.
For those interested, Deadline is saying $3.2M for Moana and $3.0M for Fantastic Beasts on Tuesday. The actuals should be fairly close. Frozen made $2.5M and Tangled made $1.7M on that same Tuesday. However, cheap Tuesday has lead to much bigger Tuesday bumps in recent years.
Agreed. Although they could be "lost" or somehow removed as a threat rather than outright destroyed.
Either way, they will be out of pocket of our heroes and not a concern as plot destroying elements in future solo films.
But next year we have the best DC movie to look forward to:
Speaking of LEGO Batman and digging for references, Billy Dee Williams will be voicing Two-Face, which is awesome.
PhoncipleBone
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That is confirmed? Amazing news.
Also, all the villains coming out as mini figures warms my heart. I hope they all show up in the film, even if for a second.
For crying out loud, they are making a Kite Man figure!
Awesome news for both films.
PhantomX1313
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Beasts 505M ww like daisy, Disney always got their pharmacies running for cartoons profit. Wait for pixar added a princess in RO.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Almost Christmas beat Bad Santa 2. WHOA!
The Japanese film, "Your Name" is well on its way to being the second biggest anime film of all time in Japan after Spirited Away. It will eventually clear $200M USD, and has just passed Princess Mononoke's final gross. Howl's moving castle is next, but Spirited Away is out of reach.
Furthermore, its Chinese release this weekend is shaping up to be big. With about 24 hours before the midnight premiere, presales are at ~23M Yuan ($3.3M USD). Presales for both Doctor Strange were at 11-12M Yuan at that same point. Doctor Strange ended up grossing ~$110M in China, and Fantastic Beasts is looking likely to finish in the $90-100M range. Your Name might be more frontloaded in terms of presales, but breaking $100M USD in China is looking possible.
Regardless of where exactly it lands in China, Your Name is going to end up being the highest grossing anime film of all time worldwide, and very likely the first to break $300M WW.
EDIT 2: forgot about Howl's Moving Castle. Updated the post above to reflect that.
Furthermore, its Chinese release this weekend is shaping up to be big. With about 24 hours before the midnight premiere, presales are at ~23M Yuan ($3.3M USD). Presales for both Doctor Strange were at 11-12M Yuan at that same point. Doctor Strange ended up grossing ~$110M in China, and Fantastic Beasts is looking likely to finish in the $90-100M range. Your Name might be more frontloaded in terms of presales, but breaking $100M USD in China is looking possible.
Regardless of where exactly it lands in China, Your Name is going to end up being the highest grossing anime film of all time worldwide, and very likely the first to break $300M WW.
EDIT 2: forgot about Howl's Moving Castle. Updated the post above to reflect that.
Your posts always remind me of that South Park episode where the kids discovered that family guy episodes were conceived by manatees. Like you just picked 20+ random English words and threw them together.
Went to see Moana with my wife and daughter today. It was good. Everything was very vibrant. Maui was funny. The animal side-kick not being able to talk cut down on its opportunity for annoyance.
The short that played in front of the film is an odd choice though, considering the fact that Inside Out just came out a year ago. Pixar wins the short battle this year since the Sandpiper film was much better.
The short that played in front of the film is an odd choice though, considering the fact that Inside Out just came out a year ago. Pixar wins the short battle this year since the Sandpiper film was much better.
Glad you liked it. Going on Sunday!
How does it stack up against other recent animated films for you?
I'm not one of those people who tends to think that animated films are life changing (ditto with blockbusters). I generally like them when they aren't completely manic, but very few go on my personal best of all time list.
That said:
Inside Out > Moana = Zootopia > Finding Dory > The Good Dinosaur > Secret Life of Pets
I'd probably give a 7.5-8 to Moana and Zootopia. Both are solid efforts.
Dory had its moments, but was mostly unnecessary. I really like some aspects of The Good Dinosaur, but the film is very uneven. I was luke-warm on Pets. It was sort of one of those "Look how wacky everything is!" animated films.
While I do find myself enjoying animated films, the real joy over the last 6 months or so is seeing how much my daughter loves them.
I find it so hard to predict what my daughter will like at this age (almost 3). She generally liked Moana, but I think she started getting bored near the end when they stopped singing, because she asked me to change the channel of the theatre screen to Dora. She liked Finding Dory. It was hard to tell if she liked Pets.
As far as home movies go, she goes through phases where she wants to watch the same thing 50 times. So far that progression has gone Frozen > Finding Nemo > The Good Dinosaur > My Neighbour Totoro. She also asks for Dumbo and Tangled on occasion. But right now Dora the Explorer is king. I curse Netflix daily for only having two seasons up on the Canadian service. Especially since she always wants someone to watch with her.
Discotheque
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I like seeing these Batman burtonverse actors popping up every now and then.
It was cool seeing Paul Reubens as Penguin's dad in gotham as well.
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