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Wkd Box Office 12•18-20•15 - Force Awakens does good... gOOOood, opens w/ $248m

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kswiston

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A billion feels like an actual possibility going by the crazy numbers it made yesterday and is looking to have made today, and will continue to make through Christmas weekend. It'll probably slow down too much sometime in January before it can make it there though, but we'll see

The Force Awakens will need to make 70% more than Jurassic World did in the remainder of its run to hit $1B after the 4-day gross.

It's not doing that at the moment (and I don't really see it doing so going forward unless you think a $180M second weekend is likely), so I think sticking to $850-900M makes more sense until something suggests otherwise.
 
Holy shit that's right!
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maybe we can watch it in VR

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Cheebo

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To be fair, when you're given Star Wars Ep7, you're being given more than a handicap. An original property is a different story to THE property.
If Abrams didn't knock it out of the park (despite nitpicking it got great reviews and rock solid word of mouth) the film would not be in the position it is in to get title. There is a million ways this could have gone wrong. Abrams deserves credit for pulling it off.
 

Anth0ny

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my parents didn't let me watch titanic in theatres back in 1998 because tits

watched it a few years back when it came back to theatres, and I'd watch it again if it comes back. love that damn movie.
 
If Abrams didn't knock it out of the park (despite nitpicking it got great reviews and rock solid word of mouth) the film would not be in the position it is in to get title. There is a million ways this could have gone wrong. Abrams deserves credit for pulling it off.

yea, gotta agree here. It could have gone wrong in SO many ways.

hell, even right before the movie came out, alot of people were still "doubtful" if it was gonna be a hit because of the prequels....or other reasons.
 

kswiston

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my parents didn't let me watch titanic in theatres back in 1998 because tits

watched it a few years back when it came back to theatres, and I'd watch it again if it comes back. love that damn movie.

I think I was in Grade 10 when it came out. It was a popular date movie with the kids my age who actually had dates at 15 (ie. not me).
 

duckroll

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Funny thing about Titanic's nudity is that the steamy sex scene in the car later on is way more inappropriate for kids than the actual nude posing scene imo!
 
If Abrams didn't knock it out of the park (despite nitpicking it got great reviews and rock solid word of mouth) the film would not be in the position it is in to get title. There is a million ways this could have gone wrong. Abrams deserves credit for pulling it off.
Of course he does. I'm just saying that comparing Abrams directing a sequel that nerds have been masturbating to the thought of for 30 years to Cameron directing an original film isn't exactly comparable.

One is clearly entirely owed to the film in question, whilst the other has to acknowledge the invested audience and fandom that already exists.
 

Cheebo

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I think I was in Grade 10 when it came out. It was a popular date movie with the kids my age who actually had dates at 15 (ie. not me).
Yep was THE date movie from my youth that year. Girls went insane over it. Back when every guy around my age despised Leonardo DiCaprio with a burning passion. How times have changed on that one.
 

Drago

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The Force Awakens will need to make 70% more than Jurassic World did in the remainder of its run to hit $1B after the 4-day gross.

It's not doing that at the moment (and I don't really see it doing so going forward unless you think a $180M second weekend is likely), so I think sticking to $850-900M makes more sense until something suggests otherwise.
Yeah, I was thinking landing somewhere between $8-900M is a more likely scenario than a billion. I think it's just the shock from how much it has already made in so little time that makes a billion seem within reach.

And no I don't think $180M second weekend is happening :p
 

kswiston

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Yep was THE date movie from my youth that year. Girls went insane over it. Back when every guy around my age despised Leonardo DiCaprio with a burning passion. How times have changed on that one.

Ya, I remember when his name went from one that elicited eye rolls from guys, to one that got "hell yeahs". The Scorsese effect.
 

Cheebo

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Of course he does. I'm just saying that comparing Abrams directing a sequel that nerds have been masturbating to the thought of for 30 years to Cameron directing an original film isn't exactly comparable.

One is clearly entirely owed to the film in question, whilst the other has to acknowledge the invested audience and fandom that already exists.
I would argue it is just as hard to please to that hardcore fanbase with insanely high expectations than those with no expectations. We saw Episode I fall short of box office hopes and dreams when it did not match the fan desires for it.

If Episode I had the same reception as Episode VII it would have beat Titanic. Regardless of the franchise having a film people like is what it comes down to. Without that franchise is meaningless. Look at the gross of Attack of the Clones with its own mixed reception coming off Phantom Menace.
 
The slave Leia thing is silly that they won't merchandise it. It's a part of many scenes in which everything will get merchandise. I guess those other dancers won't happen either but they also had the dancer 3 pack was it?
 

duckroll

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I would say Kathleen Kennedy deserves as much credit for how The Force Awakens turned out as JJ Abrams. The thing to note in the comparison between this and Avatar is that Abrams was brought on to work on this, he was a hire. A great hire, but still a hire. No one hired Cameron to make Avatar. No one even wanted to make Avatar other than Cameron.
 

Anth0ny

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I think I was in Grade 10 when it came out. It was a popular date movie with the kids my age who actually had dates at 15 (ie. not me).

I can imagine. It made all that money for a reason.

You don't really get "date movies" like that anymore. The closest comparison I can think of is probably something like Hunger Games, where I see a lot of girlfriends "dragging" their boyfriends to the theatre to watch it. And then you have action in those films for the guys to enjoy... I guess.

It's not the same as Titanic, though. It ain't Cameron.
 
I would say Kathleen Kennedy deserves as much credit for how The Force Awakens turned out as JJ Abrams. The thing to note in the comparison between this and Avatar is that Abrams was brought on to work on this, he was a hire. A great hire, but still a hire. No one hired Cameron to make Avatar. No one even wanted to make Avatar other than Cameron.
You have to look at the full crew. And many others you never hear about. Fast and furious will still be that over the top not so serious movie no matter the director. Little difference in all these superhero, and action movies. Like an assembly line.
 

Cheebo

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The days of romantic dramas and romantic comedies being big box office hits died off. It's kind of remarkable. Romance movies starring the likes Julia Roberts and that ilk were blockbuster type films in their own right.

The death of the romantic comedies and dramas as big box office grossers is something I am at loss to explain.
 

kswiston

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The days of romantic dramas and romantic comedies being big box office hits died off. It's kind of remarkable. Romance movies starring the likes Julia Roberts and that ilk were blockbuster type films in their own right.

The death of the romantic comedies and dramas as big box office grossers is something I am at loss to explain.

Kids just have sex with Netflix on in the background now.
 

GhaleonEB

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Funny thing about Titanic's nudity is that the steamy sex scene in the car later on is way more inappropriate for kids than the actual nude posing scene imo!

It really is. I saw it during the reissue with my kids and my daughters squirmed a lot more during the sex scene than during the drawing scene. And my younger totally got what was going on in the latter, but in the former was like, ew, what are they doing?! (Me: "You'll understand when you're older.")
 

Branduil

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The most inappropriate part of Titanic for kids is the part where it gives them the idea there were real people named Jack and Rose and they were more important than all the real people who actually died on the Titanic.

Also the part where it tells you to throw away priceless jewels that could fund your great-grandkids' education because you had sex with a tramp when you were 18, LOL.
 

Anth0ny

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The most inappropriate part of Titanic for kids is the part where it gives them the idea there were real people named Jack and Rose and they were more important than all the real people who actually died on the Titanic.

Also the part where it tells you to throw away priceless jewels that could fund your grandkids' education because you had sex with a tramp when you were 18, LOL.

wait

titanic is real?

yoooooo i just thought it was a movie #shocked
 

Kagari

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The most inappropriate part of Titanic for kids is the part where it gives them the idea there were real people named Jack and Rose and they were more important than all the real people who actually died on the Titanic.

Also the part where it tells you to throw away priceless jewels that could fund your grandkids' education because you had sex with a tramp when you were 18, LOL.

I never felt that way at all about the movie, even when I first saw it when I was 11.

And throwing away the necklace wasn't nearly as inappropriate as the grave digging that was going on at the wreck site!
 

Toxi

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How on Earth are people watching this 3+ times? I enjoyed the movie but I ain't watching it more than twice in a short period of time.
 

Branduil

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How on Earth are people watching this 3+ times? I enjoyed the movie but I ain't watching it more than twice in a short period of time.

There are people who actually watch a Transformers film and then decide to watch another one later, the world is a crazy place.
 
How on Earth are people watching this 3+ times? I enjoyed the movie but I ain't watching it more than twice in a short period of time.

I've seen it twice, but one of them was a press screening I was assigned after I'd already bought the opening night tickets.

(I'm seeing it with friends again next week, though, but we're getting in free)
 

kswiston

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There are people who actually watch a Transformers film and then decide to watch another one later, the world is a crazy place.

I saw Transformers 1 opening night and didn't hate it. The only other film in the series I watched was the third one, but that was trash. Revenge of the Fallen is still the only film over $400M domestic I haven't seen.
 

Kagari

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How on Earth are people watching this 3+ times? I enjoyed the movie but I ain't watching it more than twice in a short period of time.

It was on par with Episode III for me, which I saw twice in theaters. I'll see this one twice too but that's it. I don't understand some of the high praise though since it really is just a remake of A New Hope and stars to fall flat after 30 minutes into the film.

For as much shit as people give the prequels at least those were somewhat original.
 

wachie

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I saw Transformers 1 opening night and didn't hate it. The only other film in the series I watched was the third one, but that was trash. Revenge of the Fallen is still the only film over $400M domestic I haven't seen.
You have seen Ultron right? Consider you would have felt the same after watching Fallen.
 

Anth0ny

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There are people who actually watch a Transformers film and then decide to watch another one later, the world is a crazy place.

To this day I still believe Transformers 1 was a damn good movie.

2 was complete ass and I was so disappointed.

Decided to watch 3 with my cousin, and it was even worse than 2. At that point I realized 2 being bad wasn't a fluke.

Still haven't watched 4 and have no intention to watch a new Bayformers barring some kind of miracle. The fact that 4 made a billion coming off of two completely SHIT movies still blows my mind to this day.

I guess people really like sick cars, hot girls and explosions, even if the movie is terrible.
 

Kagari

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To this day I still believe Transformers 1 was a damn good movie.

2 was complete ass and I was so disappointed.

Decided to watch 3 with my cousin, and it was even worse than 2. At that point I realized 2 being bad wasn't a fluke.

Still haven't watched 4 and have no intention to watch a new Bayformers barring some kind of miracle. The fact that 4 made a billion coming off of two completely SHIT movies still blows my mind to this day.

I guess people really like sick cars, hot girls and explosions, even if the movie is terrible.

People like giant robots. Also China.
 

johnsmith

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You have to look at the full crew. And many others you never hear about. Fast and furious will still be that over the top not so serious movie no matter the director. Little difference in all these superhero, and action movies. Like an assembly line.

Don't overlook craft services!
 

Branduil

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It was on par with Episode III for me, which I saw twice in theaters. I'll see this one twice too but that's it. I don't understand some of the high praise though since it really is just a remake of A New Hope and stars to fall flat after 30 minutes into the film.

For as much shit as people give the prequels at least those were somewhat original.

Originality is highly overrated. I mean, Plan 9 From Outer Space is original as shit.

Not to mention that A New Hope itself is a pastiche of several other stories and genres. The real question is how well is your story executed.
 

Kagari

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Originality is highly overrated. I mean, Plan 9 From Outer Space is original as shit.

Not to mention that A New Hope itself is a pastiche of several other stories and genres. The real question is how well is your story executed.

I didn't think VII's story was well executed.
 

kswiston

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It was on par with Episode III for me, which I saw twice in theaters. I'll see this one twice too but that's it. I don't understand some of the high praise though since it really is just a remake of A New Hope and stars to fall flat after 30 minutes into the film.

For as much shit as people give the prequels at least those were somewhat original.

I liked the leads more than I did anyone in Ep3 other than Ewan McGregor. The first 30 minutes were really good as you said. Its act progression reminded me of the (better) MCU films where they typically start quite strong and end on a meh note.
 

crazyprac

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Yeah this movie was like a rehash but I actually like the new characters and very much excited to see what will happen to them. I'll reserve my judgement when the 2nd movie comes out.
 

kswiston

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You have seen Ultron right? Consider you would have felt the same after watching Fallen.

Age of Ultron was better than Jurassic World in my opinion. I also liked it more than Ep1, The Hunger Games, and perhaps Dead Man's Chest (though I haven't seen that in 9 years, so it's hard to gauge). I did think it was one of the weaker films out of the 20 I have seen over $400M, but I didn't hate it or anything.

Actually Ultron and Dead Man's Chest are pretty comparable in that a lot of the stuff I liked in their predecessors felt played out in the sequel. Comedies usually have the same problem.
 

Not really.

It starts breathless and hyperventilates by the end. Editing cut this film's kneecaps off in the final 30. They made some not great choices getting this thing down to 2:15 from 2:35, and they probably should have just stayed at 2:35 because a large amount of the film's problems come from short-shrifting the bad guys motivations and machinations, which make for a finale that's not very urgent or impactful outside of the saber fight.

But I feel like the end only feels as disappointing as it does because the first hour is nailed pretty damn well, even as it's more or less checking off the boxes from the Original Trilogy as they reinterpret the moments for their own purposes.

Basically - you set up the Republic/Resistance/First Order dynamic more clearly, you give Takodana onwards about 10 more minutes to breathe at least, and you make the Hosnian system's death actually mean something (I'd settle for coherent, honestly) and you have something that could challenge Star Wars for 2nd place.

But it's hard to fault the look of the film, the performances on display, and the chemistry bringing those performances to life.

It's better than say, Furious 7, or Age of Ultron, or Ant Man. Arguably better than Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation. Definitely better than Spectre, and Jurassic World.
 
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