Haha, exactly.
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Wkd Box Office Est. 0511-13 12 - Depp/Burton bask in shadow of Whedon's Avengers
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Haha, exactly.
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So this is where the console wars shenanigans migrated after NPD started being arseholes.
I am not arguing that Whedon is equal to Nolan as a director. Nolan's movies have been extremely consistent (the only one I didn't like was Insomnia), and I think he will be a big power player in the Movie industry during the next 20 years.
And yes, the Avengers sold itself. It was always going to open big and make money. However, I think Joss took what could have been a $350-400M film and gave it what it needed to be a $575-625M film. He is responsible for that wider success in the same way Sam Raimi was responsible for the wider success of Spider-Man.
Sho_Nuff82
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I'm curious, how would you break down the success of a film like Alice?
Was it the IP, Burton, or Depp/Bonham Carter/Hathaway?
vicissitudes
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It was 80% Avatar.
XiaNaphryz
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Welcome!
You should catch up on the last couple Box Office threads. Be entertained!
Yup. The only time NPD was comparable was 6-7 years ago when NeoGAF was getting full leaks every month.
Good Job Bob
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I guess I can agree with you here.
The combination of all 3 + the post-Avatar 3D craze.
Yes! Also be sure to put Good Job Bob on your ignore list before he disparages the good people at your workplace!
Someone please quote this so he sees it
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Ouch, just saw that Battleship did $420k from 1,074 theaters at midnights. I'm not sure it can open higher than $25m now.
Taylor Kitsch is having a rough year.
Taylor Kitsch is having a rough year.
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Girls post on Gaf?!!?
Despite all of that you do agree that Avengers will not have TDK's legs and it will definitely be the most front loaded movie in the top 5 and top 10. And I did say 570M+ meaning that is the lowest I expect Avengers to do.
Given The Avengers' performance in its opening weeks, the only way it could not be front loaded would be to surpass Avatar I think.
Oh my god.
Nah, passing Titanic (w re-release) would have been enough.
sonycowboy
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Harry Potter DH2 says hello (that's WW #3)... That, and it's also tracking ahead of TDK, and will likely ease to being behind it, but not by too much. It's a bit of apples to oranges comparison for many of the top movies because Avatar and Titanic started modestly but had crazy legs, many of the movies were prior to the start of the monster opening weekend (which really took off with the original spiderman), and then you've also got animated movies that are famous for their multipliers.
How hard is Dictator going to bomb? I can't see anything entertaining about the trailers and promos. You could taste desperation in the air when Cohen's character showed up on Saturday Night Live.
It feels like the project got greenlighted in 2004 (War or Terror, Iraq invasion) and just sat in the can for years.
It feels like the project got greenlighted in 2004 (War or Terror, Iraq invasion) and just sat in the can for years.
Um.
Inception happened AFTER Dark Knight and Batman Begins, not before. How much money did his pre-Batman movies make?
Yeah.
Don't act like Nolan is some historically visionary director and Whedon is garbage just because Inception did well. Nolan built his mass market name with two good blockbusters, THEN had a super successful new IP. If Serenity released after Avengers, it would have made a fuckton of money, too.
vicissitudes
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While I agree with your point, let's not pretend that's true.
Speedymanic
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Really? What's your basis for saying this? Do you think people are going to flock to theaters because his name is plastered on a poster?
Following this logic for a moment, his name is also attached to CiTW, why hasn't that seen a bump?
It would have gotten a bump if the Avengers had instead gone to see this really great horror movie that Stark felt like recommending.
Speedymanic
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Heh.
planar1280
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This is too easy
Movies he has directed
Following - budget 6,000 Gross 43,000
Memento - 5 million - 25.5 million
Insomnia - 46 million - 113.7 million
Batman Begins - 150 million - 371 million
Prestige - 40 million - 53 million
Dark Knight - 185 million - 541 million
Inception - 160 million - 293 million
Whedon
Serenity - budget 40 million - gross - 25 million
In every movie he made money . He built his name off memento and Insomnia . Learn some movie history
Good Job Bob
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Yup.
Nolan built up his name over time and now he's an absolute powerhouse filmmaker; something I highly doubt Whedon will ever come close to being.
Speedymanic
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Still impresses. He took a virtually toxic movie franchise and managed to turn it around. Not many people can do that.
vicissitudes
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$371 million is the WW intake. I'm not sure why he's mixing domestic and WW grosses in his post. Also box office profits for the studio is a bit more complicated than domestic gross - production budget.
Speedymanic
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Yeah, domestic gross was 205m.
Still impressive after the shite that was Batman and Robin. Not many directors/writers would be able to pull it off.
Yeah i don't know where this director wars came from. At least on the console side there could be an argument that the success of one could be a complete determent or so that one side and more exclusitivey/games etc.
But with this nolan vs whedon stuff its just weird. You can enjoy both movies/directors without them being mutually exclusive.
For Whedon I love his sharp humor and interesting characters (grew up with buffy/angel). His take on a super hero movie is fun and imaginative sticking more with the lore of comic books in general.
While Nolan provides a more serious and provocative concepts (in memento/inception etc.) and more serious comic book movie in his films.
Both will make a killing in the box office and I'll enjoy both as writer/directors.
Escape Goat
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Why are you still dealing with Bob? Shame on you.
It makes me sad that Insomnia grossed more than twice what The Prestige brought in.
Edit: Never mind, just realized he's mixing domestic and WW totals. The Prestige is roughly equal to Insomnia in total gross, which is still wrong.
There were always Cameron fanboys. A few Nolan fanboys after Memento and mainly Batman. But the whole director war stemmed from Whedon making a great movie here that stands with some of the greatest of all time in terms of gross. A lot folks are salty as hell about that for some reason. Its sort of odd too. I can't understand the hate, its not like Whedon is some super well known director, especially for movies. Who the hell scours low rated TV series to find directors to hate on?
SMH. Haters gonna hate I guess.
Speedymanic
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I'm genuinely looking forward to what Whedon does next, if only to see if the success from TA rubs off/how much freedom he's given to work on a new movie.
kame-sennin
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The most interesting thing about the Avengers run is trying to gage how big the market is for superhero movies. There's really no way to know until Avengers' run is over.
The one factor you keep neglecting is that audiences were thoroughly satisfied. Audience satisfaction is the lynch pin of this movie's success. Without it, all its other advantages would be meaningless. Brilliantly marketed films can bomb when the audience isn't happy. Just look at Batman and Robin.
Good Job Bob
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If you're a nerd than you've heard other nerds champion on and on about how great Whedon's work is, no one is scouring TV to find directors to hate on.
I've actually gotten into arguments about Whedon In real life.
vicissitudes
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I'm worried about you.
statham
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Thug Life.
Regardless of the WW take, its domestic take of 200M+ was impressive, especially coming off a toxic previous movie from the same franchise. BB had the best legs for a comic book movie released in the past 20+ years even beating out SM1. And then it made close to 200M more in disc sales + rentals. It was one of the key reasons why TDK did so well.
I said this before but Whedon broke into my top 10 directors because of Avengers and Cabin. The guy has a knack for writing funny and witty screenplay and can bring the movie's plot together in a decent way, plus his take on action is pretty good too. The Helicarier sequence reminded me of Avatar's final big airship battle, that is the biggest compliment I can give to Whedon.
sonycowboy
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Nikki's wayyy to early projections (she continues to update through the night):
Nikki said:
Batman Begins had good legs, but its opening weekend multiplier seems better than actually was because the movie opened on a Wednesday. The 5 day opening was $73M, which was over a third of its domestic total. If you simply look at the first weekend take, than Twilight: Eclipse had amazing legs (300M is almost 4.7x its three day opening weekend of 64M).
Phoenician_Viking
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Battleship cost $209 million to make. We could be looking on, to a less extent, a John Carter kind of a bomb. Battleship has made $215.3 million so far.
sonycowboy
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Last night's update/estimates from Nikki:
Nikki said:
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