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WOAH!!! 44% of americans want to limit civil liberties of muslim americans.

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XS+ said:
Look, what do you all propose we do in order to stave off the threat? If another 9/11 occurs -- it will, sadly -- what other recourse do we have but to take measures that many will perceive as extreme? The Middle East is a breeding ground for the type of homicidal madness we witnessed on September 11, 2001.
Invade?

Look there are political, social and economical implications that make up a terrorist not only nationality and religion. It would be wise to find out why such people go to such lengths for their beliefs instead of just saying since they are of this X and Y hence we must presume guilt. Prevention is better than cure after all.
 

firex

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Kobun Heat said:
Thanks for linking to that thread; I'd totally missed how ridiculous and intolerant you guys got after I was banned for a swass pic in the Fable thread. Keep on insisting that anyone who disagrees with you must be a racist; that's how we learn and grow.
well, let's see: you were trying to justify the illegal imprisonment of thousands of people based upon their ethnicity. it's a little hard to tolerate such stupidity.
 

Phoenix

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XS+ said:
Look, what do you all propose we do in order to stave off the threat? If another 9/11 occurs -- it will, sadly -- what other recourse do we have but to take measures that many will perceive as extreme? The Middle East is a breeding ground for the type of homicidal madness we witnessed on September 11, 2001.

We step up our efforts to find the people responsible, grow our intelligence agencies accordingly to counter the threat, and move on with our lives. What you propose is not a viable solution as terrorist attacks can happen all the same. Its the same as the laws requiring all the restrictions with firearms due to criminal activity. Criminals can buy guns at various locations without a background check - problem not solved. Terrorists can get into the city with the wide variety of illegal immigrants and drugs that come into the country every day - problem not solved.
 
firex said:
well, let's see: you were trying to justify the illegal imprisonment of thousands of people based upon their ethnicity. it's a little hard to tolerate such stupidity.
1)No, actually I was pointing out some of the more egregious misinformation that gets spread around about this. I think I said pretty specifically in that thread that I wasn't coming down on either side. I'm committed to learning as much about it as I can -- which includes reading Malkin's book with an open mind.

2) I'll point out for the record that you were unable to get through two sentences without resorting to ad hominem attacks against me.
 

Hitokage

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You know, why don't we all just fuck democracy, freedom, constitutional rights, and all that unsafe nonsense and institute a isolated fascist police state because that's obviously the ONLY method that will keep us safe from TERRORISTS. Some of you are all too eager to bring back McCarthyism, and I'd appreciate it if you would stop saying terrorists hate freedom because it is YOU who hate freedom.

Jesus fuck.
 

Triumph

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Hitokage said:
You know, why don't we all just fuck democracy, freedom, constitutional rights, and all that unsafe nonsense and institute a isolated fascist police state because that's obviously the ONLY method that will keep us safe from TERRORISTS.

Hey man, PNAC is way ahead of you on this one.
 

Gattsu25

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I refuse to believe this poll...I mean...every single person I know falls within the 56% that DON'T want the limitations....so I have to ask...do many people actually WANT THIS BULLSHIT? Why in the fucking would one want to limit what this country is SUPPOSED to be striving for?



Fuck....

I'm a Christian and a registered republican (even though I don't vote republican :b) and I feel that treating people poorly or differently due to race or religion is stupidity and ignorance of the highest order. That's what this all boils down to. Ignorance and ignorant generalizations leading to prejudice (masquerading under the flag of fear)
 
Kobun Heat said:
Thanks for linking to that thread; I'd totally missed how ridiculous and intolerant you guys got after I was banned for a swass pic in the Fable thread. Keep on insisting that anyone who disagrees with you must be a racist; that's how we learn and grow.

Hmm... someone who defends Ann Coulter is mad at liberals because they supposedly insult anyone they disagree with. Pot... kettle... Love your new tag, by the way.
 

Che

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...and then people call me extreme (well extreme is nicest word I could find) when I say that most of the republicans are a bunch of uneducated (uncultured could be a better word though because people keep confusing education with schools which nowadays do not educate, they're preparing the future corporation slaves) hateful rednecks (and in case you want to bash me please note that it's just an opinion, and that I said "most" not "all"). They don't want to allow gays to exersice their rights although it does not affect them in any way, they want to limit muslims' civil liberties, they accept fascistic laws like the Patriot Act, they encourage or accept war etc etc. So what's next? Imprison the non-christians? Exile the gays? Nuke the evil terrorists?

PS. I don't want to start a fight here it's just my opinion. Afterall what do I know, I'm just a dirty leftist hippy. Right?
 
Father_Brain said:
Hmm... someone who defends Ann Coulter is mad at liberals because they supposedly insult anyone they disagree with. Pot... kettle...
Does Ann Coulter post here? I pointed out that my attempts to inject opposing viewpoints into hotly debated issues are met by certain people with personal insults. firex responded to this by calling me "stupid."

Love your new tag, by the way.
Don't we all.
 
Hitokage said:
You know, why don't we all just fuck democracy, freedom, constitutional rights, and all that unsafe nonsense and institute a isolated fascist police state because that's obviously the ONLY method that will keep us safe from TERRORISTS. Some of you are all too eager to bring back McCarthyism, and I'd appreciate it if you would stop saying terrorists hate freedom because it is YOU who hate freedom.

Jesus fuck.


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XS+ said:
Again, as I told another, if there is another attack on an order of magnitude comparable to 9/11, will you still oppose these measures? How else can they be sure to prevent an attack?
I'm more likely to be killed by a white guy and/or a car than a Muslim. Restricting white guys and cars would protect me more.

XS+ said:
Not so. As well, I have stated that I would oppose what I'm proposing, were it implemented AFTER 9/11. Everything I've stated is contingent on another attack. If that happens, I don't see how we have any choice but to limit access to our country from people that come from those countries. What would you have us do?
If 3 blonde guys attack me and I stop letting blonde guys near me, they'll find a black-haired assassin.

Raoul Duke said:
Hey man, PNAC is way ahead of you on this one.
Is it at all common to pronounce that as "pee-nack"? I can't remember whether I picked that up from others or not.
 
See...

from the age children can speak, they should be put in shackles and let from class to class in silence. Religion isn't an option. Then they are whipped into learning (or death) by their slavemasters. Insubordinates should be sent to the middle east for purposes of war.

Thus a happier world, right?

I'm gonna go sleep and think of freedom and my free health care. Soon.
 

Socreges

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XS+ said:
3,000 dead Americans disagree with you.
No, that doesn't make a war.

3,000 dead Americans disagree with you
Everyone knows this. What's your point? How is that a reply to what I said? That being, put differently, that you shouldn't have simplified their "wish" to simply wanting the death of Americans. Terrorism is not the ultimate end, but the means.

You have young men and women willing to martyr themselves in the name of allah. In Chechnya, 300 people, many of whom were children, were blown up by so-called muslims.
Again, you've managed to completely miss the point. You said "because of their faith", as if this is simply religion vs religion. No, this particular terrorism stems from US foreign policy, with Allah and such only being an additional factor.
 
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