Wonder Woman |OT| The World is Ready for You, Gal Gad [SPOILERS]

BossDarkseid said:
I think so, if it had been Wonder Man rather than Wonder Woman and if it was about what a male character represents. Maybe there would be another way of putting it, but it's a very Wonder Woman-y sort of thing, although I can't think of a declaration from a male superhero quite like that I also can't think of a male superhero who so stands for the same things as Wonder Woman and in the same fashion.
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You could argue that Batman and Superman fight because of Mommy Issues.

MARTHAAAAAAAAA
 
mugurumakensei said:
Nah, it's quite clear that Diana's mom lied a lot to protect Diana from Ares and also the truth about humanity.
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Which is another way Diana's age throws a wrench into the story. This queen isn't able to cut the cord on her adopted daughter after 2000 years? Was she just determined to keep her in an eternal adolescence?

It seems to me like they wanted this to be a coming-of-age / getting superpowers story, but that only really works for teenagers.
 
border said:
Which is another way Diana's age throws a wrench into the story. This queen isn't able to cut the cord on her adopted daughter after 2000 years? Was she just determined to keep her in an eternal adolescence?

It seems to me like they wanted this to be a coming-of-age / getting superpowers story, but that only really works for teenagers.
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I suppose the implication is that by getting training, she was closer to fulfill her destiny and "men" were able to penetrate the fog shield thing and crash onto the island. So by not giving her any training, they were basically protecting themselves rather than protecting Diana herself.
 
Chris Pine's death scene was really really good. There was something very powerful as a viewer watching his facial emotions with no dialogue. It made me cry watching him accept his death like that. He was really great in the movie.
 
Really liked it overall. Gal Gadot was amazing, both in action, in comedy and in drama. And even though she runs around in her armor, she is so goddamn beautiful in that black jacket getup. And then they put glasses on her. OMG. I have absolutely no problem with Steve falling in love in days because it took less than an hour for me.

Also good supporting characters, and I kind of enjoyed that they didn't go for a CGI red eye Lupin but just had his goofy head poking out of a monster armor. It was neat how the the final scenes in Belgium had a few surviving Germans too, so we don't get the "everyone but the designated hero characters are dead".

Two things that kind of didn't make sense:

1) Where was the island? It seems to be somewhere near Greece, considering the Germans are going to Turkey to stock up on weapons. But then they make it to London overnight in a little sail boat. Or did we just skip weeks of sailing (which would also let them get to know each other better)?

2) Diana basically stopped the war (or prevented it from going on any further) so yeah, as mentioned, why the hell did WW2 et al happen? She would be a Dr Manhattan in that scenario. Unless... the DC universe simply don't have these?
 
Anton Sugar said:
I mean, it just made my group wonder, "Would they have made a male superhero say 'I fight for love'?"

I don't think fighting for love is a bad thing, but there was something in the execution that I didn't like.
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I'm pretty sure Superman in the comics once said he fights for love. It wouldn't be out of character for him to say that.
 
Saw it and while I did enjoy the movie it was nowhere near as good as the reviews/GAF led me to believe. Other then a female superhero there was nothing in this that stood out from the others. I guess people were just relieved that a DC movie didn't suck...?

Some good fight scenes and Chris Pine was good. WW walking into no man's land was pretty epic.

CGI was pretty horrible for a 2017 big budge movie to be honest. Young Diana jumping off the wall, Diana jumping off the cliff to save Pine, Diana jumping around in the village all took me out of the movie with how bad it looked.

The Germans accents were laughable at best, some scenes they practically lost them and then Chris puts one on to crash the party which sounded more German then the Germans!!!

Anyway, looking forward to more WW.
 
The movie is good. Not bad or really great. Kinda in the middle for me. I am surprised that it is getting a lot of praise. It has amazing scenes but overall it didn't wow me. I'm in the deep minority here but if i had to rank it, I would go MoS>BVS>WW>>>>>SS.
WW is overall a better movie i just enjoyed the others more, even if they had more flaws. Script is solid, editing, and great action scenes.

No Man's Land obviously the best scene in the movie. What i loved is she had no agenda, she just wants to save people. Which i can't think a of a single MCU or DCEU hero who can say the same thing. I thought the Ares stuff was god awful. The CG fight didn't bug me, it was the overall story. Snyder thinks of stuff that would probably work in a animated movie but falls flat in a live action.

Definitely interested in a sequel which can easily pull a TDK if done right.
 
SiegfriedFM said:
2) Diana basically stopped the war (or prevented it from going on any further) so yeah, as mentioned, why the hell did WW2 et al happen? She would be a Dr Manhattan in that scenario. Unless... the DC universe simply don't have these?
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Yeah, it's entirely possible in this universe WW2 didn't actually happen. It really could go either way though, since the armistice still happened and the last act was just suppressing a rogue set that was trying to instigate the war further.
 
Just got out of it. I am so happy I was wrong about the film. This is how you do movies, DC. Jenkins need to guide the rest of the DCEU. The movie is solid. It has some lingering issues but it worked well enough in the end. Well deserved success. Gal Gadot was much better here than in BvS. Fuck BvS.
 
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Sarah's mom understands superheroes very well.
 
I just went and saw it, gotta help those legs.

Dolby Atmos mix is so good. I was surprised to see film grain, had no idea they shot with film. Looked beautiful.
 
I was surprised how much I enjoyed this movie. I worry it might just be low expectations at this point, and not just for DC movies -- there's actual character development! serious moments are allowed to be serious for extended periods! there isn't a joke every 30 seconds! editing isn't a disaster! -- but hey, still recommending it to friends.

SiegfriedFM said:
2) Diana basically stopped the war (or prevented it from going on any further) so yeah, as mentioned, why the hell did WW2 et al happen? She would be a Dr Manhattan in that scenario. Unless... the DC universe simply don't have these?
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Her speech at the end talks about this, she's not around to save mankind (who have darkness within or something) from itself. She's not a hands-on sort of god, basically.

This is also assuming she didn't help during WW2 and just make it shorter or less severe, but I feel her ending speech was pretty clear that she ultimately lets humans solve their own problems. This sets up pretty easily why something like Doomsday or Darkseid justifies her involvement. Now that a different sort of god has shown up, she'll be needed.
 
SiegfriedFM said:
2) Diana basically stopped the war (or prevented it from going on any further) so yeah, as mentioned, why the hell did WW2 et al happen? She would be a Dr Manhattan in that scenario. Unless... the DC universe simply don't have these?
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I think this is explained. All ares, or whoever he really is (God of Truth?) does is nudge human beings along. Killing him is obviously good for the world, but it in no way stops wars or evil. As for her, she realized mankinds nature, learns to love them in spite of it, and does her best to, at times, mitigate the damage.
 
Saw this and Pirates 5 today afternoon, enjoyed it and Gal Gadot was fantastic but a bit underwhelmed by the movie itself. After seeing 93% on RT I was expecting a movie to be remembered for the ages but the plot itself was entirely forgettable, the villains were just abysmally bad, and I don't really feel a need to see the movie again unlike GOTG 1 & 2, Avengers, Captain America, etc. I guess I'm glad women got a great super hero movie but definitely feels a bit over hyped.

I don't understand at all WW's origins and it makes no sense to me, hopefully they explore more of that in Justice League and Wonder Woman 2. I was a bit bummed at how little screen time Robin Wright had, I kinda feel like she woulda been better as the Queen. Hope they go back to Themyscira in the future, that was the best part of the movie.
 
Muh god, I loooooooooooooooooooved this film.
I was convinced from the trailers that the shield vs. machine guns scene was going to be stupid, but I was totally on the edge of my seat, heart pounding.
I know the third act is weak to many people, but that Steve Trevor sacrifice was AMAZING. I love his hesitation with the look-backs and [forced?] smiles, the commitment and anguish. Couple that with when she recollected his departure speech and my emotions were predictably amplified. I then somehow wander into the HISHE review and put into his interpretation that she didn't really hear those things, but believed it; interesting take, his last part of the review was great actually.
I wanted more from Dr. Poison, but I have to admit that her entrance in the finale was meaningful; her running away and being forgotten was ehhhhhhhhhh.

Certainly my favorite Superhero movie, love how human this god is.
 
HawthorneKitty said:
Muh god, I loooooooooooooooooooved this film.
I was convinced from the trailers that the shield vs. machine guns scene was going to be stupid, but I was totally on the edge of my seat, heart pounding.
I know the third act is weak to many people, but that Steve Trevor sacrifice was AMAZING. I love his hesitation with the look-backs and [forced?] smiles, the commitment and anguish. Couple that with when she recollected his departure speech and my emotions were predictably amplified. I then somehow wander into the HISHE review and put into his interpretation that she didn't really hear those things, but believed it; interesting take, his last part of the review was great actually.
I wanted more from Dr. Poison, but I have to admit that her entrance in the finale was meaningful; her running away and being forgotten was ehhhhhhhhhh.

Certainly my favorite Superhero movie, love how human this god is.
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wut? it's the best act. except maybe when she charges the german tenches in act 2. i think that was the most powerful scene in the movie. also, her shield possesses magic capabilities like her lasso. machine gun fire is nothing.
 
Sunster said:
wut? it's the best act. except maybe when she charges the german tenches in act 2. i think that was the most powerful scene in the movie. also, her shield possesses magic capabilities like her lasso. machine gun fire is nothing.
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I've read a lot of people complain about the film turning into a mess in the 3rd act, but I thought it held together really well. They made a smart decision to have the Diana v Ares fight happen in parallel to Steve and the effort to stop bombing run, rather than entangle them. They stuck the landing of every plot thread, theme and relationship in the film. I really bought into the Diana/Steve romance and how it ended was genuinely moving. Pine was really outstanding here. That last scene...goddamn.

My only real issues with the film are -

-The notebook Steve stole went into the ocean with him and didn't show signs of getting soaked when it was read later on.
-Ares sporting the 1910's mustache in his fight with Zeus didn't really work.
-I thought the framing device was a bit clunky. None of my family saw BvS but myself, so they had no idea what was going on. But even outside of that, it could have been a bit better - I wanted to get some sense for what WW's life is like now. Not her sitting in a room looking at a laptop (again).
-The WW BvS theme did NOT fit the score they used for the rest of the film. I hated it's inclusion here.
-The break into the gala at the end was a little clumsy / not believable/lacked tension. Though I really liked the bit with Diana sizing up the dress on the other woman.
-Making not-Ares kinda super powered so he could have a short fight with Diana was dumb.

Those are basically nit picks. I thought the film was otherwise pretty incredible. Wonderful, even.
 
OK. Finally time to write down my thoughts after seeing this yesterday.

I've seen just about every single comic book movie since Raimi's Spider-Man. The first one I've missed since then was Guardians of the Galaxy 2, and I have no plans to see it. I enjoy comic book movies, but most of my enjoyment has been because I love the theater going experience. I've kind of lost hope that any of these movies will actually resonate with me in a way that makes me want to watch it again, but Wonder Woman luckily has restored some faith in comic book movies in general. Yesterday, I didn't think I'd rewatch this movie. Today, I'm hankering to watch again. Why? I'm not sure. But I can say this...

Wonder Woman is coherent. It doesn't use confusing flashbacks or sloppy edits to connect scenes or fill gaps. It is long, but focused. The themes of the movie aren't forgotten and tossed to the side scene-from-scene, and we're constantly hit with questions about what it is to be human, good and evil. And at the end of the day, I (mostly) forgot I was watching a film, because I was so immersed in what I was watching. It isn't necessarily that the plot or characters are THAT engrossing that I was locked in the world of Wonder Woman. I more compliment Wonder Woman for not hurting itself by ripping me out of the film with piss poor editing, flashbacks, and dialogue as I've seen in recent comic films.

Now, to get super picky (about a film I love). Here are some things that bothered me:
1) Chris Pine's start-stop-start dialogue. I don't know how to describe it, but he has numerous moments of dialogue where he is slightly flabbergasted trying to explain things to Wonder Woman, and he starts a word only to stop, make not-quite guttural noises for a bit, then get back into his dialogue. He does it so many times, and it is distracting and annoying as hell. For a spy who should be quick on his feet with his words, he sure gets stumped a lot.

2) CGI lasso. That scene in the middle of the town, when Wonder Woman is lassoing the bad guys. Damn, that looked awful. Mostly because of them making her CG.

2.5) Wonder Woman is annoying only one time for me in the whole film, and that is when she gets pissed at Steve for not letting her kill Aries. This is more just me being upset for her being so narrow-minded, because Steve tells her she can't kill him yet, because they need to find out where the gas is to dispose of it first. Then she gets pissed because he gasses the village...well, now you see why he needs the gas gone, don't ya?! Though it fits completely with her character, because they very purposefully show us how narrow-minded and focused she is on "kill Aries" the whole movie as if that will fix everything.

3) Aries (both good and bad opinions). I was ready to be completely fucking impressed if Aries really was dead after the first guy gets killed. That would have been one ballsy and strong stance for a movie that could be light-hearted at times....Humans sometimes are just pieces of shit, and war continues with Aries dead. Then Aries appeared and I was sad. But I actually really like the actor who plays Aries, and his dialogue is on point. I was thinking "after what she just told Steve, and what she has witnessed recently, why wouldn't she join him?!" I loved Aries blocking her sword with his hand...that was a really cool effect. The CG surrounding their fight and his powers actually looked really great. In the end, I am impressed how much I like him considering how little screen time he had.

4) I'm not a fan of Wonder Woman going Super Saiyan a few times in the 3rd act. The shot of her getting pissed when Steve dies is the worst part of the movie, and the only part that made me cringe.

5) Very very nitpicky, but I absolutely hate in any movie when someone gets a power and somehow knows how to use it perfectly. Aries zaps some lightning into Wonder Woman, and she inadvertently absorbs/deflects it nearby. OK, I'm good with that. But after Aries lightnings the shit out of her, I like to go inside her head, because she is like "And if I jump really high in the air, and bang this shit together, it will zap a huge bolt of lightning directly down and in front of me at him." Like, how do you aim that shit? In Iron Man, we see Tony Stark spending ages practicing in his suit, learning how to maneuver and use what it has to offer. I love that. In this, she just bangs that shit together and blammo. Kind of a lame end to a good fight.

6) I saw this discussed already, so I won't go into detail, but I'm in the camp that was bothered by Aries' death going against the idea they JUST preached of "yeah, humans are kind of bad people at times" by showing Germans taking off their masks with the British in the end scene after Aries died, in a kind of "oh boy, what was I thinking?" way. Or more of a "thank god, it's over way." As if Aries death actually did have an affect on them.

So rambling and ranting over. Loved it. Even loved the 3rd act, where a lot of these comic book movies fall apart. Sorry, I was getting more tired as I was going on so my thoughts began to deteriorate.

GhaleonEB said:
I've read a lot of people complain about the film turning into a mess in the 3rd act, but I thought it held together really well. They made a smart decision to have the Diana v Ares fight happen in parallel to Steve and the effort to stop bombing run, rather than entangle them. They stuck the landing of every plot thread, theme and relationship in the film. I really bought into the Diana/Steve romance and how it ended was genuinely moving. Pine was really outstanding here. That last scene...goddamn.

My only real issues with the film are -

-The notebook Steve stole went into the ocean with him and didn't show signs of getting soaked when it was read later on.
-Ares sporting the 1910's mustache in his fight with Zeus didn't really work.
-I thought the framing device was a bit clunky. None of my family saw BvS but myself, so they had no idea what was going on. But even outside of that, it could have been a bit better - I wanted to get some sense for what WW's life is like now. Not her sitting in a room looking at a laptop (again).
-The WW BvS theme did NOT fit the score they used for the rest of the film. I hated it's inclusion here.
-The break into the gala at the end was a little clumsy / not believable/lacked tension. Though I really liked the bit with Diana sizing up the dress on the other woman.
-Making not-Ares kinda super powered so he could have a short fight with Diana was dumb.

Those are basically nit picks. I thought the film was otherwise pretty incredible. Wonderful, even.
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Agreed on 3rd act. My only nitpick there is Steve saying he has to get to the plane, then conveniently the plane is right by Diana so that he can say good-bye. Jee, that was lucky. And yeah, I didn't think about the notebook not getting wet. That's a good one.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I've read a lot of people complain about the film turning into a mess in the 3rd act, but I thought it held together really well. They made a smart decision to have the Diana v Ares fight happen in parallel to Steve and the effort to stop bombing run, rather than entangle them. They stuck the landing of every plot thread, theme and relationship in the film. I really bought into the Diana/Steve romance and how it ended was genuinely moving. Pine was really outstanding here. That last scene...goddamn.
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I don't think it's a mess so much as it's just weaker than the rest of the film. I wouldn't even say I'd include the whole third act. It's mainly from WW killing Ludendorff and then on. So basically everything with Ares. You could predict just about every line from him for the rest of the movie. He never lost the goofy stache lol. The fight with him was pretty uninteresting. Everything with Steve and the other soldiers really brought it home (specifically Steve's sacrifice) and kind of saved it from just being blah. I did enjoy WW's awakening at the end and raging on everyone too, but then thought it was really questionable for her to let Dr Poison go even if I understand the point she's trying to make.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I've read a lot of people complain about the film turning into a mess in the 3rd act, but I thought it held together really well. They made a smart decision to have the Diana v Ares fight happen in parallel to Steve and the effort to stop bombing run, rather than entangle them. They stuck the landing of every plot thread, theme and relationship in the film. I really bought into the Diana/Steve romance and how it ended was genuinely moving. Pine was really outstanding here. That last scene...goddamn.

My only real issues with the film are -

-The notebook Steve stole went into the ocean with him and didn't show signs of getting soaked when it was read later on.
-Ares sporting the 1910's mustache in his fight with Zeus didn't really work.
-I thought the framing device was a bit clunky. None of my family saw BvS but myself, so they had no idea what was going on. But even outside of that, it could have been a bit better - I wanted to get some sense for what WW's life is like now. Not her sitting in a room looking at a laptop (again).
-The WW BvS theme did NOT fit the score they used for the rest of the film. I hated it's inclusion here.
-The break into the gala at the end was a little clumsy / not believable/lacked tension. Though I really liked the bit with Diana sizing up the dress on the other woman.
-Making not-Ares kinda super powered so he could have a short fight with Diana was dumb.

Those are basically nit picks. I thought the film was otherwise pretty incredible. Wonderful, even.
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yea haha I agree with all of those though I didn't think about the first or last one until now.
 
Saw it yesterday and was left kind of luke warm on the whole affair. The combat had great choreography but lacked any impact and it felt a good half an hour too long.

Even stranger is how Wonder Woman is being held up as a triumph for female characters in film. The way she is portrayed throughout this film plays pretty hard into the "born sexy yesterday" trope. She's naive to a fault, relying on the male characters around her to explain the world to her and why she is so misguided in her views. Moreover, she only triggers her super powers when a male shows her what love is and why she should have hope for mankind. In the end, she's no better for female characters than Leeloo was in the Fifth Element.

I did find the commentary on arms dealers and others profiting off war to be an interesting thread throughout.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I wanted to get some sense for what WW's life is like now.
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She works as a curator for antiquities at the Louvre Museum.

You can get that in the opening from the novelization here which Amazon allows you to read the first part from:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1785653784/?tag=neogaf0e-20

It isn't exactly spelt out in the movie (but you do see the Louvre, and you do see her surrounded by pieces that pretty much belong in a museum), but it's why I'm getting the novelization so I can gain better detail into it all.

You can also slightly pick that up to some degrees in BvS as well, as she is also in spotted in France there on security vision and she has an interest in museum pieces when Bruce first approaches her.
 
One thing I think would have been nice was more 1 on 1 conversation between Diana and Etta. She gets a perspective of mankind exclusively through men, which makes sense given that's what's really new to her, but at least a little perspective from women outside of Themyscira would have been interesting.
 
I thought it was funny that Dr. Poison created some inhalant that could yield an army of super soldiers......yet she insists on pushing her death gas as a means of winning the war.
 
ElBoxyBrown said:
I'm pretty sure Superman in the comics once said he fights for love. It wouldn't be out of character for him to say that.
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It's remarkable to me that people have such short memories (not you, the person you were quoting is who I mean). This idea that a male superhero would not 'fight for love'.

Even as recently as BvS when the only way left to kill Doomsday was to kill it with the spear, Lois was practically begging Supes not to do it, knowing that it might mean the end of him. He turned to her, told her that he loved her and that "she was his world". He then proceeded to sacrifice himself to save her (and sure, everyone else).

Kind of hard to get around the idea that he was fighting for love in that situation. He basically said so.
 
That whole steroid gas things is the one element I would have taken out of the movie. It was totally superfluous.
 
I'm going to hit the next person who brings up some wack ass sexy yesterday trope or tries to deconstruct what is a very obvious romantic relationship with Diana and Steve right in the head with my shovel
 
Fusilli Craig said:
Saw it yesterday and was left kind of luke warm on the whole affair. The combat had great choreography but lacked any impact and it felt a good half an hour too long.

Even stranger is how Wonder Woman is being held up as a triumph for female characters in film. The way she is portrayed throughout this film plays pretty hard into the "born sexy yesterday" trope. She's naive to a fault, relying on the male characters around her to explain the world to her and why she is so misguided in her views. Moreover, she only triggers her super powers when a male shows her what love is and why she should have hope for mankind. In the end, she's no better for female characters than Leeloo was in the Fifth Element.

I did find the commentary on arms dealers and others profiting off war to be an interesting thread throughout.
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A good character isn't without flaws but endearing in spite of them.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
It would have been fine IF they were trying to make super soldiers. As it exists, it was there 100% purely to try and trick the audience.
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It seems like they only added it in so that Diana could have a convincing and dramatic fight against the German general, because otherwise she would have immediately lopped his fat head off.

It shouldn't have been introduced unless they were planning to go further with it. Imagine how cool it would have been if she had fought a battalion of juiced-out super-soldiers.
 
Yeah

The confrontation with the general would have been much better if She straight up murders him while he's defenseless. Would have been better thematically for sure.
 
BronsonLee said:
I'm going to hit the next person who brings up some wack ass sexy yesterday trope or tries to deconstruct what is a very obvious romantic relationship with Diana and Steve right in the head with my shovel
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When it's brought up, I don't think folks understand what the video/trope is about.
 
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