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Scribes are getting some cool stuff. They seem to have the ability to make recipes for other professions, off hand items, and other little toys and buffs.ciaossu said:
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Agreed; I really like the idea myself. Switching between specs/PvP, etc. requires a lot of tweaking beyond simply just switching around gear/spec. Switching glyphs often means a trip back to the AH where you're just at the mercy of whatever the scribes feel like charging on a given day.Flib said:
Presumably the new glyphs will just cost a lot more to make under this system so Scribes can make better money off them.
I could see them using the new glyph system as a new way to gate raid progression. Like you beat the first wing and complete a quest to unlock a new glyph pattern that requires a raid drop to make. Then using the glyph, some or all classes can negate some boss abilty or allow the successful engaging of a new boss.
Probably too out there :/
Edit: to clarify i.e. the glyphs would augment a spell to dispel some immunity the boss has, or allow a spell to interact with the environment to produce a platform to fight the boss on, or change a water spell into a spew sludge spell to clog a drqin pipe, etc. Some unique ability added to a class spell to allow a raid to successfully fight a boss.
I suppose they could just make normal spells do this action, but with glyphs able to swap now it could be cool.
Probably too out there :/
Edit: to clarify i.e. the glyphs would augment a spell to dispel some immunity the boss has, or allow a spell to interact with the environment to produce a platform to fight the boss on, or change a water spell into a spew sludge spell to clog a drqin pipe, etc. Some unique ability added to a class spell to allow a raid to successfully fight a boss.
I suppose they could just make normal spells do this action, but with glyphs able to swap now it could be cool.
notworksafe
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Wait, what? The ability to progress in a raid would totally rely on the RNG? That's probably not a good call. The quest part seems cool, but maybe just keep it separate from glyphs. I like them being modifications for spells.JesseZao said:
Well I would see it as a part of the quest, so maybe the final boss in the wing drops it or something. A way that makes you finish an area before you can try the next area.notworksafe said:
It would have nothing to do with the "glyph design," it would just open up a new interesting way (imo) to progress through raids.
funkmastergeneral
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JesseZao said:
I didn't think Blizzard was too keen on these kind of raid progression items anymore, hence we don't see stuff like Aqual quintessence anymore.
notworksafe
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I do miss some of the old raid attunement quest chains. I wish those would be brought back.
Let's say Cataclysm had a progression model where you'd have to beat a couple of important-to-lore heroics and entry-level raids before you were allowed to enter the highest level of content and then there was a vendor that sold BOA tokens that let you up to your main's level of progression.
Would this promote groups for the heroics and raids in question?
Would this promote groups for the heroics and raids in question?
JesseZao said:
Naw, they're glyphs. They're not going to treat them like Resist gear, and if they did that'd be lame. They're there to help you do things you do better, and apparently to help "customize" your character a bit.
They'll gate content, cheaply and artificially extending it no different than they have been. The bosses just won't show up, or, you can't enter said doors/portal to carry on.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That sounds suspiciously similar to resist-gear raid-blocks.JesseZao said:
What you're referring to is almost identical to "attunements," i.e. the Drakefire Amulet you used to need to get into Onyxia's Lair.Rapstah said:
notworksafe
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I believe so. We used to have a lot of 10m guild runs of UBRS when that was required for BWL. We also ran Black Morass and the other dungeons you needed to get into Kara (SV and Shadow Labs? Can't remember.). And of course there was a lot of the required SSC and Hyjal runs to get people into BT.Rapstah said:
So yes, people would do those dungeons/raids more. Would they like it? I'm not so sure...
KernelPanic
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notworksafe said:
If Blizzard wants to gate content, they should just do it and not make people jump through all sorts of hoops like they did in Classic and BC.
notworksafe
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KernelPanic said:
See J-Rzez, this is why Blizz did what they did for ToC/ICC. People prefer arbitrarily locked content over questing. I don't agree with it...but I get why Blizz changed.Mr Nash said:
KernelPanic
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notworksafe said:
Don't get me wrong I love questing.
Having to do some long drawn out quest just to gain access to content is silly. Needing the rest of your guild to do the same just makes it more painful. Everyone knows they're just trying to gate the content so why hide it ? They're not fooling anyone. As someone said, it's an obvious, needless timesink. Same thing with 'unkillable' bosses that are magically fixed and suddenly beatable one day (ie. Ragnaros).
What they did inside Frozen Halls is great in terms of attunement, ie. a quest inside the instance.
The attunements are just carryovers from EQ anyway where they were even more painful (ie. camp some mob that appears once a month).
notworksafe
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Yeah I suppose. I just liked the lore from the quests. Onyxia especially was awesome as Alliance.
Until we killed that dragon bitch and I still saw Lady Prestor every time I went into SW Keep. :lol
Until we killed that dragon bitch and I still saw Lady Prestor every time I went into SW Keep. :lol
notworksafe said:
Oh I know some people would rather the simpler way of things, but it's really the only way to possibly get people to do older content, opposed to having it wasted. Now, what I think they should do is not make it so one person has a key, nor that everyone needs to be attuned. I think that say for a 10-man for example, you need to have 5-6 members "attuned" to be able to "channel" something to unlock a door perhaps, or click on different key locks, something like that.
I think that was terrible what they did with ToC though, absolutely terrible at that. I'd rather be able to work on the whole raid at once, not being artificially restrained by stupid non-sense like locked wing doors or "bosses" not appearing.
At least get a little bit of work there for your guild to do together. Put some more value on guilds.
notworksafe
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This is true. I ended up doing both sides, but I didn't do Horde until 70 so I cheated.Fularu said:
notworksafe
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The Horde version required like three UBRS (and a few LBRS ones as well, iirc) runs, while the Alliance one required one or two.
It's been a while so forgive me if my memory is a bit off.
It's been a while so forgive me if my memory is a bit off.
DeathNote said:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Warlord's_Command_quest_chain
versus
http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Great_Masquerade_quest_chain
Needless to say, much bitching went on
notworksafe
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Well it's already confirmed to be a quest zone for 30-35, but I wouldn't be shocked if it had a 5 man as well.
Ah, my bad. Just finished the quest chain that dips into there and they said you'd come back when you were stronger. Didn't realize it would be just a few levels away. It isn't really a "zone" for 30-35 but some of the STV quests warp you in there it looks like.notworksafe said:
notworksafe
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Yeah quest hub or subzone would have been better wording. My bad.
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Urggh.
So tempted to resubscribe but I know I won't even be doing anything but ICC and other raids. Cataclysm needs to come faster
So tempted to resubscribe but I know I won't even be doing anything but ICC and other raids. Cataclysm needs to come faster
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I guess, but I'm don't think it's functionally different at all to resist gear; resist gear did essentially exactly what you're suggesting in the same way; it negating the ability of some attack to instantly kill you.JesseZao said:
The problem with resist fights was nobody appreciated the artificial farmgrind cockblock, and I don't think any one would like that method much more since its essentially the same idea.
Question for beta testers: Are they smoothing out the gear level curve from Vanilla zones to Cataclysm zones? Although I appreciated how you felt more powerful walking into Outland, it really felt kind of ridiculous going from 300-400 dps to literally 1000+ (depending on class, of course) in one level.
ToyMachine228
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Just watched the new intros for all the races for Cataclysm...Some interesting stuff and some...Not so interesting, and lame stuff. Not that any of it really makes a difference to anything but lore whores like me but...I don't know.
Can you guys suggest to me a good alternative map mod to use in place of Cartographer?
I've restarted playing a bit and I'd like to find a map mod that will let me do two of the things cartographer did, being able to remove the fog if I so wish and making the map windowed and movable, but looking on curse seems kind of problematic finding what I'm looking for.
EDIT: Also, looking around a bit, I've seen that they are changing all the talents and stuff for cataclysm... where is the best location I can read some in-depth stuff about the changes without having to hunt down most of the information?
I've restarted playing a bit and I'd like to find a map mod that will let me do two of the things cartographer did, being able to remove the fog if I so wish and making the map windowed and movable, but looking on curse seems kind of problematic finding what I'm looking for.
EDIT: Also, looking around a bit, I've seen that they are changing all the talents and stuff for cataclysm... where is the best location I can read some in-depth stuff about the changes without having to hunt down most of the information?
I think he's talking about redone 1-58 zone rewards compared to outland rewards.
and I haven't seen all of them, but wowhead has a database of some of the rewards, and they're good. they at least come closer to the outland levels of stuff solely because there's no more terrible spread of stats.
and I haven't seen all of them, but wowhead has a database of some of the rewards, and they're good. they at least come closer to the outland levels of stuff solely because there's no more terrible spread of stats.
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