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Uh, Bear AoE tanking basically is completely centered around spamming swipe/maul, which is getting a 6 second cooldown (swipe, maul will be instant I believe). And conc and D&D are getting cooldowns that gives them some decent downtime.PhoenixDark said:
So I wouldn't worry about AoE tanking in Cataclysm. It's clear that with Vengeance and fewer ICC-style trash pulls we won't need to spam-spam-spam to take care of AoE tanking. We also shouldn't have unlimited rage allowing us to do as we do now.
You don't use consecration as a ret paladin anymore in cataclysm.Maxrpg said:
actually really the only spec that uses consecrate is prot paladin, since they get a talent that reduces the mana cost.
all you really do is build 3 holy power, templar's verdict, repeat. unless you have to aoe and then you divine storm instead. everything else is just checking procs.
SiegfriedFM
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An interesting attempt at Stonecore tonight. First trash mobs took some work, and we decided to focus on CC. Some near wipes. Then the gnome NPC bugged and spawned a ton of elementals on us. After we returned, the event played out as it was meant to and we fought the first boss.
There's loads of crap going on with that thing. It puts healing debuffs on you, it silences, it spits out crystal shards that create a mine field and it submerges to spawn adds. It's like the first PoS boss and the last one of Azjol-Nerub all at once.
We only got one go, then there was a server restart. However, I love the look of the place. Now if only Vortex Pinnacle was more easily available...
There's loads of crap going on with that thing. It puts healing debuffs on you, it silences, it spits out crystal shards that create a mine field and it submerges to spawn adds. It's like the first PoS boss and the last one of Azjol-Nerub all at once.
We only got one go, then there was a server restart. However, I love the look of the place. Now if only Vortex Pinnacle was more easily available...
krypt0nian
Banned
The Lamonster said:
If you have a druid with Flight Form:
Horde: You can mount up in Shat, then take the Thunder Bluff portal, or mount up by the Dark Portal and fly through.
Alliance: You can mount up by the Dark Portal and fly through.
Moral of the story, mount up with Flight Form, then portal somewhere that is considered "outside" or you will be dismounted just like those riding actual mounts.
Druids 4 life!
krypt0nian
Banned
speedpop said:
I'm so happy we can fly around in the Old World before the Cataclysm tears it apart!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It offered less DPS in Wrath, but we dont' know what BM damage is like in Cata. Remember that BM was the highest dps in 3.0.2, but it just did less damage because the pets had shitty scaling.Sebulon3k said:
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Should have headed for GM Island imo.speedpop said:
thunker 9000
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BM was godly at the beginning of wrath. due too readiness resetting the CD on Bestial Wrath. Those were the days. A pet out DPS'ing a rogue in full tier 7. lol.Angry Grimace said:
notworksafe
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Meh, there's nothing exciting there. A tree and an empty house.Angry Grimace said:
I know this. I know this. :lolfirex said:
I did try out some mix up and divine storm being locked to holy power really sucks for aoe, so it's all building up HP, divine storm, holy wrath, repeat.
BTW
Best part ever
About Cata
Long Arm of the Law. Holy shit is that fun to hit on bosses/enemies and run really fast up to them (like a mini charge)!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If the Glyph of Howling Blast is identical in Cataclysm, there's literally no reason to ever use Icy Touch AFAIK.
yeah, divine storm seems pretty bad now. But they won't really buff it because you'll only really use it in a true massive aoe situation, when you MIGHT also pop consecrate.Maxrpg said:I know this. I know this. :lol
I did try out some mix up and divine storm being locked to holy power really sucks for aoe, so it's all building up HP, divine storm, holy wrath, repeat.
BTW
Best part ever
About Cata
Long Arm of the Law. Holy shit is that fun to hit on bosses/enemies and run really fast up to them (like a mini charge)!
prot paladin needs SOMETHING (I suggest something just like art of war, or making art of war much earlier in the ret tree so prot can grab it) to mix in some extra stuff, because it went from frustratingly GCD-locked to not having shit to do because frequently all 3 of your regular spam abilities (avenger's shield, crusader strike/hammer of the righteous, judgement) are on cooldown and you don't need to use consecrate that much as prot now. So it operates like ret but without art of war procs to give you something else to do, and replace 3HP templar's verdict with 3HP shield of righteousness.
and I'm copying my shaman and priest to ptr now, so I can see how bad enhance really is. if it sucks then I might just shelve my shaman, period, because I don't really want to play ele and if I level my priest to 80 then his holy spec is like resto shaman with a billion more tricks and better healing in general.
one thing to add re: paladins. Ret's new core ability for Cataclysm doesn't come in until 81, which is inquisition. When that is factored in as the massive buff to holy damage, it should make ret dps more competitive. It's a big boost now compared to live, but in cata beta it seems like ret is only really competitive when they can maintain inquisition between templar's verdict spam.
I still think prot needs a different kind of proc to make it better, either by being able to pick up art of war or having something else proc, potentially being able to use hammer of wrath whenever (a la live's current implementation of sudden death for arms warrior) but on an easily controlled proc, like from using crusader strike/hammer of the righteous.
After reading Protection Paladin feedback from Beta, I was not looking forward to playing my character. However, after tanking a few heroics, I'm more or less satisfied with the rotation (actual damage is whatevz, but apparently there is some more number crunching to go). I like that Paladin tanks will have to work a little harder to generate AOE threat; no more consecrate spam, and Hammer of the Righteous applying a five-stack of your seal on every mob.
Extra HP on Crusader Strike criticals would be okay for Prot. But I dont want to see the spec becoming too proc/RNG heavy.
Extra HP on Crusader Strike criticals would be okay for Prot. But I dont want to see the spec becoming too proc/RNG heavy.
KernelPanic
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After months of trying and endless nights in Ulduar we finally got One Light in the Darkness !
So much fail, I didn't think it was possible, even for an overgeared ICC guild.
I only have One Light and Orbituary so we'll be back so me and a few others can get the drake.
Gotta be the most annoying fight I ever done in WoW.
So much fail, I didn't think it was possible, even for an overgeared ICC guild.
I only have One Light and Orbituary so we'll be back so me and a few others can get the drake.
Gotta be the most annoying fight I ever done in WoW.
I could see extra HP on a crusader strike crit or even something like keep 1 HP on a shield of righteousness crit. I just feel like there is too much dead time between 3 HP -> shield of righteousness and pretty much nothing else to use it on. I guess inquisition if you are going to aoe tank, so you can buff holy wrath, consecrate and hammer of the righteous's damage all at once.Mike G.E.D. said:
On the other hand, if fights are harder so you aren't supposed to be beating the hell out of things constantly, then tanking might be fine with all this dead time between cs/hammer cooldown and judgement cooldown. I also don't mind that it has no real use for exorcism beyond pulling. Just trying to think of something because compared to ret (again, just playing both on the dummy) it feels like prot is still a few steps behind compared to ret. Total reversal for me.
Quick raid mechanic question: I was in an ICC10 raid yesterday and we did everything up to Festergut at which point we wiped several times and broke up (one guy left before it etc.). I entered the instance to get my updated ring now and while I was exploring a little I came across Muradin Bronzebeard saying that the way to Sindragosa was open. Did some sneaky people go clear several bosses after I left or does he just say that whenever you've downed Saurfang?
Confused101
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So you guys are probably going to yell at me. Either because of what happened or what I did with it.
A battered hilt dropped the other day in heroic PoS. I was with a very experienced friend of mine and I asked him what I should roll on that. I honestly didn't know what it was. He says, "Need on that!". So I do and I reply, "I won it. What do I do with it?" He goes, "OMG".
Pure, stupid, newbie luck right there. It was then explained to me that it starts an epic quest where you get an ICC level weapon as the reward. I was excited. The other option was putting it up on the auction house for about 10-15k. Now I'm torn. Epic quests get my insides jumping around but it's never bad to make that kind of money. So one half of my brain (the smart half) is sternly telling me to sell it because money will not be replaced when Cata comes out, unlike a weapon. But the other half (the crazy half) is pulling at me to do the quest because all signs point to it being completely awesome.
Then I find out a guildie of my friend is just starting the very first quest and I have a chance to go through the entire experience with someone along side me! The crazy half took over and we finished the entire quest chain in a little over 2 hours.
It was incredibly epic and I can't believe I own something of that level. I honestly thought I'd never have anything like that considering I wasn't going to put in the time to regular raiding. Straight awesome. So now my warlock is the proud owner of this...
Quel'Delar, Lens of the Mind
A battered hilt dropped the other day in heroic PoS. I was with a very experienced friend of mine and I asked him what I should roll on that. I honestly didn't know what it was. He says, "Need on that!". So I do and I reply, "I won it. What do I do with it?" He goes, "OMG".
Pure, stupid, newbie luck right there. It was then explained to me that it starts an epic quest where you get an ICC level weapon as the reward. I was excited. The other option was putting it up on the auction house for about 10-15k. Now I'm torn. Epic quests get my insides jumping around but it's never bad to make that kind of money. So one half of my brain (the smart half) is sternly telling me to sell it because money will not be replaced when Cata comes out, unlike a weapon. But the other half (the crazy half) is pulling at me to do the quest because all signs point to it being completely awesome.
Then I find out a guildie of my friend is just starting the very first quest and I have a chance to go through the entire experience with someone along side me! The crazy half took over and we finished the entire quest chain in a little over 2 hours.
It was incredibly epic and I can't believe I own something of that level. I honestly thought I'd never have anything like that considering I wasn't going to put in the time to regular raiding. Straight awesome. So now my warlock is the proud owner of this...
Quel'Delar, Lens of the Mind
Yeah, money isnt that hard to get and it will probably be easy to get 10k next expansion. Right decision to see the epic quest chain, since once Cataclysm is released, you won't have any chance to see it again because... who will want to run the heroic ICC 5 mans?
KernelPanic
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Sebulon3k said:
Well it's definitely one of the most epic fights.
Our guild does seem prone to brain farts and that probably contributed to the frustration. It's an intense fight and after doing it for 3 hours straight people just start making mistakes. The planets have to align for everyone to be on the ball. Luck plays too much of a role for my tastes (people getting CC'd and not able to get into portals etc.)
Maybe it's just me but in P3 with DBM I couldn't predict Lunatic Gaze at all. In the end me and the ranged DPS just spent most of the phase with our back to Yogg only turning around to apply DOTs. The warlock mentioned that Rain of Fire doesn't need LoS so I zoomed out so I could cast Hurricane on the adds and Yogg without turning around. Never knew that.
Lame way of going about it but I had 60+ sanity at the end and no one went insane in the raid (someone usually did during P3).
There was a lot of screaming in vent and I certainly don't want to do that ever again.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Flight is enabled in Azeroth on the PTR, you just don't have the required skill to do it, which is why people occasionally can find ways to fly there right now.Duki said:
So with the new upcoming currency coming for patch 4.0, where they are converting both emblems of triumph & frost to a single currency(Justice points), does that mean people will be able to buy T10 from simply running WOTLK 5 mans for the last weeks prior to Cataclysm?
KernelPanic
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I need to try my druid on the PTR to see if bear tanking is more interesting than just mashing swipe and mangle/maul macro.
KernelPanic said:
Yeah... playing a bear feels like playing a gimped warrior.
1) Your charge cost 5 rage instead of GIVING you like 20 rage. And warriors have 2 other similar "charges".
2) You only have swipe for aoe as a basic skill and you NEED to glyph Maul if you want to have another one, and still, it only hits a 2nd target. While warriors have Thunderclap, Cleave, Shockwave & Revenge all as basic aoe skills.
3) Your interrupt/stun is on a 1 minute cooldown without the talent, and that's all you've got against casters. While warriors have an interrupt with 12 secs cooldown, a ranged interrupt with 1 minute cooldown, spell reflection, and 2 stuns.
4) Let's not mention how you lose all your rage if you need to rebuff someone, use innervate on someone who is oom, or mount.
I hate playing my bear druid, i really do. Once i got all i want from the (instant queue) heroics, i think i'll go back to cat.
KernelPanic said:
Yeah, I just recently found out about that. My feral druid that I'm raising to 80 before Cat is just retarded. She's 77.5 and I find tanking with her so much easier than with my warrior though i still prefer my warrior. Oh noes, feral charge > swipe/maul macro> repeat till mobs are dead. Oh no, it's a boss. Mangle/Maul macro > Lacerate/Maul macro > repeat till boss dies.
Bisnic said:
Yeah, wtf is up with feral charge? I always expect rage when I charge in and to have to hit enrage when I charge sucks. Revenge only hits one other target and that's when you crit I think. I never see it hit another mob if it's not a crit. Bash really sucks. Way too long of a cooldown especially when you have to eat shadow blasts from those mobs in Old Kingdom. At least there I could either SR, SB, or CB.
Aurarian said:
Revenge always hits 2 targets, crit or not. It just needs to be in melee range unlike Shockwave or Thunderclap.
And i find it funny how Revenge can basically crit for over 9000(!) on my prot warrior who only have stamina gems & tanking gear. While a glyphed Maul on my bear also with stamina gems & a bunch of dps rings/necklace/cloak/bracer can only crit for 3k-4k. Sure my warrior have 5.4k GS while my druid have 4.8k, but still... Sure Maul doesnt require you to dodge/parry/block to be used unlike Revenge, but since a decent prot warrior dodge/parry/block so much, Revenge is almost always available when not on cooldown.
No wonder i have so much trouble on aggro with my bear, while its a piece of cake with my warrior. My bear do 2-2.2k DPS, while my warrior can do around 3-3.5k. In AOE situations, it can almost reach 5-6k sometimes. I dont think my bear can even dream of that.
KernelPanic
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Bisnic said:
Bear tank is basically a gimped warrior. For AoE tanking you pretty much have to constantly cycle through all targets and hit them with Maul.
Survival Instincts, Barkskin and Glyphed FR are nice as far as cooldowns go though.
Warrior, Pally and Dk are more interesting to tank with which is why I'm hoping for some changes. So far they just added Thrash, Skull Bash and nerfed the Maul Glyph iirc.
KernelPanic
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mclem said:
96969 rotation might be dull but at least it's effective. Pallies also have more abilities to play with.
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