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RPGCrazied
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Also, got it for 4k, A lot better than that staff I was eyeing at 22k.
RPGCrazied
Member
Bisnic said:It's a 359 offhand weapon, the staff you're talking about is probably a 378 one. Of course the difference is going to be huge.
At least I didn't get jipped.
The average for it is 7,100. Least that is what Wowhead says.
RPGCrazied
Member
rogue/combat
Pretty happy. Got rid of that axe I got from the ring of blood type quests in Twilight Highlands.
Pretty happy. Got rid of that axe I got from the ring of blood type quests in Twilight Highlands.
RPGCrazied
Member
Bisnic said:
Well, I'm a terrible player.
Plus epic daggers go for way more than 4k I'll tell you that right now.Still better than what I was using.
RPGCrazied said:Well, I'm a terrible player.
Still better than what I was using.
Still, you should do ZG until you can get http://www.wowhead.com/item=69620, the item lvl is a little lower than your axe, but the speed is much faster, which will help applying your poisons a lot.
RPGCrazied said:Well, I'm a terrible player.
Still better than what I was using.
My Combat Rogue alt right now has a Cruel Barb in MH (iLevel 346) from Deadmines and a Twinblade of the Hakkari Dagger in OH (iLevel 353) from Zul'Gurub. Simulationcraft shows 20814 DPS.
If I pop Maimgor's Bite in my OH, it shows 19267 DPS.
If I pop Throat Slasher into my OH (346 Dagger. 950 Justice Points from vendor), it shows 20695dps.
Sorry man, but you wasted 4k.
It should be a matter of common sense.
I know he is new to the game, but it just irks me when people rely on "simmed data".
Just say "You don't want a slow weapon because ___", and not "You don't want it because it simmed out to 20000 DPS but this other weapon simmed to 22000 DPS".
I know he is new to the game, but it just irks me when people rely on "simmed data".
Just say "You don't want a slow weapon because ___", and not "You don't want it because it simmed out to 20000 DPS but this other weapon simmed to 22000 DPS".
Alex
Member
If you're playing at the high end, using personal simulations to pick out stat weights, upgrades or just test a important odds and ends is a big plus especially considering that from patch to patch usually only the top end of heroic raiding is covered by the community and you're going off of awkward hearsay otherwise.
If all you're looking at them for is epeen garbage, you're missing out. Sadly, the stigma comes from folks going too far to correct people using them in asinine ways. They really are a great tool in the hands of someone who isn't an dolt who treats simulationcraft.org (and, as an aside, sites like raidbots, etc) like gospel.
If all you're looking at them for is epeen garbage, you're missing out. Sadly, the stigma comes from folks going too far to correct people using them in asinine ways. They really are a great tool in the hands of someone who isn't an dolt who treats simulationcraft.org (and, as an aside, sites like raidbots, etc) like gospel.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's not really an argument but I agree with the idea of what Entropia is saying; it isn't meaningful to explain why an item sucks to someone by saying "the sim says it sucks," as opposed to saying "you should have a dagger in your offhand because of [whatever reason]"
ShadyMilkman
Banned
Blue post-
lol
lol
DeathNote said:
I just don't think people should live and die by simming.
I mean, I never sim and I'd consider myself a pretty high level Ele Shaman. Once you know your class well enough you should be able to look at the times that are available to you and determine which are best suited to your class.
The extent of what I do is make up a character sheet at CharDev.
The simulationcraft application basically has a limited browser built in where you can use the battle.net community site and chardev's website to import the character data. What you do can be done in the application, the only difference is you're not spending 20 seconds clicking "import" and then "simulate".Entropia said:
Comparing simulated DPS, adding up stats, and testing out the combination I'm considering is important to me. I'm at the point where I spend time deciding between at least 1 piece.
I also simulate top DPSers from worldoflogs. The people who are on top all have a simulationcraft DPS value closer to the simcraft's BIS DPS value than the lowest DPSers do that are logged.
I essentially treat the DPS value as a score and then test it out in game.
As expected... Before the threat hotfix, threat wasn't really much of an issue outside of the first few seconds of every fight except for Heroic Domo, which required a lot of control and attention on the tank and the dps. After, it's a complete joke. I welcome the change, even if it makes managing threat a nonissue now.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I think the threat issue is more about trying to fix dungeon queues by making tanking easier so more people do it. But people won't. It's about the responsibility of it, not the difficulty
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
What does Bisnic's comment have to do with yours? You're still supplying him theoretical output without a theoretical basis. It's like saying, ! + ? = 20. It's not like either your or Bisnic's comments provides any basis for him to understand what you're talking about.DeathNote said:
I wasn't discounting that it was true
Then how about we sum it up: Nobody is trying to make anyone feel bad for spending money on something, but people should realize so they don't make mistakes in the future: Slow offhands are EXTREMELY bad for rogues, to the point that vastly weaker faster weapons are superior in most situations. This is because of poison stacking/application rate, and combat potency. Poison is less important for combat spec, but potency is one of your main sources of energy regen as combat (mutilate wouldn't evenw ork with it so I'd assume most assassination rogues would figure it out). It's effectively turning offhand white damage (autoattacks) into mainhand yellow damage (Sinister strikes/eviscerates/whatever you need).
To call simming wrong is simply BAD. Sorry, but you're not remotely near the top of your game if you can't understand the value of sims, spreadsheets, and theorycraft. Not everyone has to be, but most people who aren't have the sense to accept that fact and not stick their nose in it. Sims can be WRONG, but the act of simming things is never BAD. or the wrong thing to do. Rogue weapon speed isn't some grand mystery which is hard to model in a simulation, so why try to question the data.
To call simming wrong is simply BAD. Sorry, but you're not remotely near the top of your game if you can't understand the value of sims, spreadsheets, and theorycraft. Not everyone has to be, but most people who aren't have the sense to accept that fact and not stick their nose in it. Sims can be WRONG, but the act of simming things is never BAD. or the wrong thing to do. Rogue weapon speed isn't some grand mystery which is hard to model in a simulation, so why try to question the data.
wonderdung
Member
DeathNote said:
Seems to be mostly normal modes... since they weren't easy enough already and all.
Well, here we go... we did this fight tonight so I can tell you...
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Nobody implied simming is wrong or bad, you're just trying to argue.TheYanger said:
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Completely.TheYanger said:
Neither of those responses imply that simming is wrong or bad. The fact he doesn't use simulators doesn't mean he said simulators are wrong, just that he doesn't use them and just relies on common sense. So it begs the question who you're arguing with when you say people who say sims are wrong are bad players. Frankly, it seems like a lot of your posts are only really calculated to tell other players they are bad and/or tell us how good you are.
What Entropia and I were saying is that it provides little substantive help to a beginner who has no basis for understanding what the problem is to just say "This weapon sucks for your class."
Angry Grimace said:
I question your ability to read and comprehend. That's not at all what he said, that's what YOU said. "SIMZ LOL" is about as hard to interpret as a reasoned argument as anything could be, so I don't know how you're doing so. A sim explanation for why something is bad is actually pretty good, you need to know NOTHING about the game to understand that the sim/spreadsheet/whatever your class uses, is giving you a lower number with one item than another, and higher numbers are better. That's absolutely all that you NEED to know, aslong as you trust your source. In addition, I JUST POSTED exactly why it was bad. Scroll back up. That's more than you've done to add to the discussion. I have no concern whether I'm good or someone else is bad, I don't even care who does or doesn't use sims, but to dismiss them as a viewpoint is ignorant and absurd.
tl;dr:
Original point was that: Sim shows dps is lower with slow offhand. (Useful information)
response: LOL SIMZ (not useful)
response: You didn't tell him why it's bad! (This was yours, also not useful info)
My response: You're wrong that sims are bad, original response, and if you want to understand why it's a bad choice, here is the reason. (Useful information)
response again: WHY YOU FIGHTIN BRO!?
Get real, I was trying to end an argument, now you're trying to bring it right back. I'm done, the rest of the people reading this thread don't want to see a dick measuring contest, and if they did then at this point I think I've said what I needed to regardless.
Interfectum
Member
Called it. There will be a new XP announced at Blizzcon.
Oh thank god for transmogrifier, my paladin alt was tired of wearing those troll shoulders. It was terrible with the rest of the blue T11 set.
Also, i guess Blizzard really wants to release a new expansion with a new continent fast, seeing how disappointing Cataclysm was. I'm really curious as to WHERE the Deathwing raid is. I mean, there is no "Black Temple or Icecrown Citadel" kind of building sitting there since the release of the expansion.
The two other 5 mans will probably be in the same building as the raid, just like they did with ICC i guess.
Also, i guess Blizzard really wants to release a new expansion with a new continent fast, seeing how disappointing Cataclysm was. I'm really curious as to WHERE the Deathwing raid is. I mean, there is no "Black Temple or Icecrown Citadel" kind of building sitting there since the release of the expansion.
The two other 5 mans will probably be in the same building as the raid, just like they did with ICC i guess.
ShadyMilkman
Banned
Bisnic said:
Yeah, assuming it would work like RDF, what a terrible, terrible idea.
Maybe it will require at least 5+ to queue up, but even then, awful.
Alex
Member
Aw, void storage makes me sad. but i guess it's a requirement, i just didn't' think they'd go all out with the customization considering how conservative they have been in the past with it.
Also, my erasing of all of my old gear in the past finally comes to bite me in the ass! Anyway, it sounds like they're finally catching up with things and they'll have to compete a little harder going forward, good times.
Incoming Tempest Keep INSTANCE SERVER UNAVAILABLE messages.
Raid finder will be great, like dungeon finder it'll only be as bad as you make it. Hopefully you can use it specifically cross realm too, if not it'd be nice just to fill up a few slots. Good for struggling casual guilds, alts, etc.
Also, my erasing of all of my old gear in the past finally comes to bite me in the ass! Anyway, it sounds like they're finally catching up with things and they'll have to compete a little harder going forward, good times.
Incoming Tempest Keep INSTANCE SERVER UNAVAILABLE messages.
Raid finder will be great, like dungeon finder it'll only be as bad as you make it. Hopefully you can use it specifically cross realm too, if not it'd be nice just to fill up a few slots. Good for struggling casual guilds, alts, etc.
Transmogrifier delivers! was already collecting some gear I wanted thinking it would be like that...I think they finally realize that they NEED carrots like this that let people find things to freaking do. Farming up old gear to look how you want and be INTERESTED in what your character's visuals are is a great timesink. People want to play wow more, but the content is so limited. This, old world reputation grinds and random shit to do, this is content that basically creates itself, glad they finally realize it.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Hey all,
Question. I just started a new hunter and am on level 20 now. My pet doesn't seem to be keeping aggro. Every battle I get in they attack my pet until I shoot them and then they sprint at me.
Am I doing something wrong? Or is it just low level stuff?
Question. I just started a new hunter and am on level 20 now. My pet doesn't seem to be keeping aggro. Every battle I get in they attack my pet until I shoot them and then they sprint at me.
Am I doing something wrong? Or is it just low level stuff?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
idlewild_ said:
Hmm, ok, will do thanks!
Also, what is the best Hunter talent tree to use? A friend suggested to start with Survival, but I kind of like the look of Beast Mastery...
Interfectum
Member
Deadly Cyclone said:
I love the survival tree. Fun rotations, great utility, etc.
Subliminal
Member
1. everyone wears current tier
2. Blizzard lets people change appearance
3. the vast majority will still be wearing the same tier, people will mass up on the cool tiers.
(I'm thinking either Tier 2, Tier 5 or Tier 7 for my Druid)
2. Blizzard lets people change appearance
3. the vast majority will still be wearing the same tier, people will mass up on the cool tiers.
(I'm thinking either Tier 2, Tier 5 or Tier 7 for my Druid)