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CarbonatedFalcon
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I've mostly played melee - as a tank or dps. I've become pretty good at it. While healing is a different beast, switching to one of my ranged alts it's incredibly easy.
No joke, there's almost nothing to worry about in comparison besides your rotation - which is also significantly easier with the delay of most things having a cast bar - you don't have to have nearly as good reflexes to perform compared to some melee specs that will be GCD capped.
Combined with latency indicators on cast bars - it's much more difficult to reach peak performance on a melee character which doesn't have an equivalent.
No joke, there's almost nothing to worry about in comparison besides your rotation - which is also significantly easier with the delay of most things having a cast bar - you don't have to have nearly as good reflexes to perform compared to some melee specs that will be GCD capped.
Combined with latency indicators on cast bars - it's much more difficult to reach peak performance on a melee character which doesn't have an equivalent.
Maybe it's just a personal peeve, but I don't like being under hard hit caps. Dual wield melee often involves gearing to a soft cap, so some white hits will still miss.
I like playing caster and not seeing any misses. Also, no worrying about hitting the boss from behind, like on Domo or Rag
I like playing caster and not seeing any misses. Also, no worrying about hitting the boss from behind, like on Domo or Rag
ciaossu said:Maybe it's just a personal peeve, but I don't like being under hard hit caps. Dual wield melee often involves gearing to a soft cap, so some white hits will still miss.
I like playing caster and not seeing any misses. Also, no worrying about hitting the boss from behind, like on Domo or Rag
You can always set your scrolling combat text to suppress misses.
wonderdung
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ciaossu said:Maybe it's just a personal peeve, but I don't like being under hard hit caps. Dual wield melee often involves gearing to a soft cap, so some white hits will still miss.
I like playing caster and not seeing any misses. Also, no worrying about hitting the boss from behind, like on Domo or Rag
The thing that bugs me most is when melee have holes in their rotation and you just have to sit there for X seconds. Maybe it only happens when you're undergeared but it's bugged me from time to time on both ret paladin and DK.
I played rogue in classic, healers in TBC and mage since Wrath. When I pulled out the DK to do some PVP it took me a long time to get used to melee range and facing again, but once you're back in the swing of things it's not that hard to switch between.
ShadyMilkman
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mileS said:
I went through a decent amount of normal FL before I quit, but Rogue DPS was 'ok' when I raided. It is extremely dependent on the ability of the player to get the rotation down and all that jazz. It also depends on the fight - if there was a substantial amount of target switching, my dps tanked, whereas a static tank and spank (chim), I, or another rogue, topped the chart. Regardless, I overall skewed towards the top of the chartzzz, behind our hunters, usually.
I raided as Assassination, but last time I checked EJ, Assass and Combat were pretty damn close in terms of overall dps, with the edge going towards assassination, but that might have changed within this last tier. I never liked Combat; it just felt too clunky for me.
tea_and_crumpets
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Could a nice person please send me a scroll of resurrection. Want to see some of the new content and if its worth resubscribing
tea_and_crumpets
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DeathNote said:
Thanks v much. PM sent
wonderdung said:
There are times when I just auto-attack on my rogue and let energy build for a couple seconds, but I don't see how that is much different from waiting on casts to go off (or wyvern shot, etc.). In that sense, something like a mage actually has much more 'idle time'.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Rogues take melee levels of damage, and need to get in melee range but don't necessarily end up higher on charts than ranged even if they have 100% uptime. They simply put, don't bring enough to the table for people to like them given that their versatility beyond DPS comes in being annoying in PvP.theinfinityissue said:
They're FailMounts. You know how you get the Spectral Griffon when you die in a flight zone? You get one if you manage to die enough times that the Gryffon decides he might as well be your property.DeathNote said:
Alucrid said:
This?
http://www.wowwiki.com/Set_look_alikes
Building a stormrage set on my dwarf rogue atm.
the grass is always greener...
I mostly PvP in random BG's, have been doing it for years now on the horde side, on my server Bleeding Hollow. From that point of view the alliance always had at least 2 healers and seemed to work together more than the horde did. Anyways, just last month I switched over to the alliance to play with some of my friends, only to find out BG's are completely different over here. I can't join a battle for gilneas without at least 4 healers on horde side and we'd be lucky to have at least one decent healer on alliance. It's not just that one BG, it seems to be all of them. Losing my patience extremely fast now.. There really needs to be a limit on how many healers can join the same team at one time or they need to find a way to balance it better.
I mostly PvP in random BG's, have been doing it for years now on the horde side, on my server Bleeding Hollow. From that point of view the alliance always had at least 2 healers and seemed to work together more than the horde did. Anyways, just last month I switched over to the alliance to play with some of my friends, only to find out BG's are completely different over here. I can't join a battle for gilneas without at least 4 healers on horde side and we'd be lucky to have at least one decent healer on alliance. It's not just that one BG, it seems to be all of them. Losing my patience extremely fast now.. There really needs to be a limit on how many healers can join the same team at one time or they need to find a way to balance it better.
Angry Grimace said:
Rogues take some of the least damage in the game of any class, and have some of the BEST personal utility...I don't understand this misconception. Melee don't generally take MORE damage in most fights anymore, they just get screwed more by positioning. I can't actually think of any FL fights where melee take more, and specifically rogues, who have feint, cloak, evasion...they're just beastly. Blade Flurry is the cheapest most broken 'utility' any class has in a lot of situations still too. The problem isn't with rogues, they're an awesome class, the problem is people just don't play them. /shrug.
set bonuses for T13 is out
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2472-Patch-4.3-Tier-13-Set-Bonuses
pretty cool
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2472-Patch-4.3-Tier-13-Set-Bonuses
pretty cool
Alex
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Fixing genuine class problems with tier set bonuses is one of the most frustrating elements of any game I've ever played. I hate when they do that.
As such I'm curious as to what Elemental Shaman is going to get in 4.3 since they'll be losing that massive boon they gained with the Fire Elemental reset. Probably should just make it a genuine pet at this rate if they insist on counting something like that as a real DPS ability.
That Warrior 4-piece bonus is really bad, yikes. I bet that's one that'll get changed. Restricted to such a narrow situation and even then it has two giant forms of chance on it. May as well just toss up wind direction and precipitation to boot!
As such I'm curious as to what Elemental Shaman is going to get in 4.3 since they'll be losing that massive boon they gained with the Fire Elemental reset. Probably should just make it a genuine pet at this rate if they insist on counting something like that as a real DPS ability.
That Warrior 4-piece bonus is really bad, yikes. I bet that's one that'll get changed. Restricted to such a narrow situation and even then it has two giant forms of chance on it. May as well just toss up wind direction and precipitation to boot!
CarbonatedFalcon
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Prot paladins get the short end of the stick with the 4P bonus compared to the other classes. Probably fair though, since the 4P gives the other tanks pretty much what paladins already had (though better.)
And the Shadow Priest bonuses seems fucking insane.
And the Shadow Priest bonuses seems fucking insane.
DeathNote said:
I don't really roll with a rotation, just shot priority.
Chimera, if it's on CD aimed, if I need focus steady.
While under haste buffs just cast aimed and steady.
Use serpent if I remember or care to.
Arcane if it's nearing the end of the fight and i need to focus dump fast.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Combo points are a fucking pain in the ass too.TheYanger said:
wonderdung
Member
Rokal said:
Yeah mage has a lot more "idle" time in-game because of no auto attack, but in the 1.4s between casts I'm normally spamming whatever button will do my next cast. Mage isn't especially interesting right now except maybe on frost since a large part of damage involves spamming one spell, but at least I never get into situations where I can't do anything (except at very high haste buffs like Sinestra... and in that case it only lasts a very very short time).
Alex
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Rogues just have no real identity nowadays. They simply don't fit in well with the landscape of the game and don't really jump to mind when you think about modern WoW. It's not really about being good or bad. When I think "Hm, what should I play this time" Rogue is usually the class I forget even exists anymore.
Back in classic they had sky high population because of how well their skill set fit to the game. Their secondary skills had some meaning, their primary skills all fit into an open world situation and they were really the be all & end all melee back then, Fury didn't catch on big until Naxxramas and even then spec design wasn't quite the archetypal blob it is today.
But really I don't think there's a single class in this game that has any truly exciting design or creativity to it. I really miss the game having some niches and choices for playstyle and support roles. I just want things like my BC-era Shadow Priest back, such a shame.
Back in classic they had sky high population because of how well their skill set fit to the game. Their secondary skills had some meaning, their primary skills all fit into an open world situation and they were really the be all & end all melee back then, Fury didn't catch on big until Naxxramas and even then spec design wasn't quite the archetypal blob it is today.
But really I don't think there's a single class in this game that has any truly exciting design or creativity to it. I really miss the game having some niches and choices for playstyle and support roles. I just want things like my BC-era Shadow Priest back, such a shame.
So yeah, uhhh.. yeah. Decided to level my second druid who was chillin at lvl 75 (my other is 80). Holy crap is all I can say. My only 85 at the time I started leveling was my paladin who has been my main through end of bc/wrath/start of cata. I've found a new main character. Ret and prot are in such a bad, dumb and boring state right now, and I was getting really tired of not being able to do anything outside of raids, so I started leveling last week. Leveling was a blast, feral just keeps on truckin and the burst, oh the burst, is awesome. It's like night and day different from playing my paladin.
I hit 85 yesterday, and after 13 hours of play time at lvl 85 I now have 361 item level and I full cleared Firelands with my guilds alt group + pugs. Its neat that I've been able to catch up on the Firelands stuff that I've missed since cancelling my sub in early March, but it's bittersweet because I've geared up so quickly there is literally no reason to go do the old content, and some of those fights were fun (a lot more fun than Rhyolith/alysrazor zzz). Feral and balance are a lot more fun than prot and ret, and I can dps, tank and heal with 2 specs which is a sick bonus. I can finally solo stuff now, it's awesome! Hopefully I have enough time to join my guild in hardmodes, though I doubt it will take long finish hardmodes since all we have left is baleroc and rag. See you in 4.3!
I hit 85 yesterday, and after 13 hours of play time at lvl 85 I now have 361 item level and I full cleared Firelands with my guilds alt group + pugs. Its neat that I've been able to catch up on the Firelands stuff that I've missed since cancelling my sub in early March, but it's bittersweet because I've geared up so quickly there is literally no reason to go do the old content, and some of those fights were fun (a lot more fun than Rhyolith/alysrazor zzz). Feral and balance are a lot more fun than prot and ret, and I can dps, tank and heal with 2 specs which is a sick bonus. I can finally solo stuff now, it's awesome! Hopefully I have enough time to join my guild in hardmodes, though I doubt it will take long finish hardmodes since all we have left is baleroc and rag. See you in 4.3!
Alucrid said:I miss soloing stuff in bear form.
Bear form > cat form for questing.
Yeah man, molten front is lols worthy on my druid compared to my paladin. I can just jump into a bunch of mobs, kill them and end the fight with barely any hp lost. On my paladin it would take forever and I'd have to WoG myself on cd.
EDIT: I forgot to mention this: I finally have a presence in pvp as a druid. When I'm left alone I seriously hurt things, pvp is fun again.
Would you prefer a GCD locked melee rotation? Personally, I prefer a little down time. I quit playing Enhancement in Wrath when the rotation just got too overwhelming and there was no time to breathe.wonderdung said:
I've heard that Death Knight dps in Wrath was GCD locked for at least one spec, I didn't play it though.