Sax Russel
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You can solo the whole place as a blood DK if you want =P
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You can solo the whole place as a blood DK if you want =P
Vigilant Walrus
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Logged into WoW for the first time since Cata hit final beta. Must have been 3-4 years.
I don't recognize the game anymore. Or I do. But the graphics. Jesus. The floor textures in goldshire:O the character models. They have less detail in them than a unit from Starcraft 2. At the same time, Panderean looks great.
If the other races are brought up to Panderean it will be fantastic.
But the graphics. The animations. ohh man, it's aged. I remember thinking that this cartoony art style would never feel old, hehe. 2004 is a long time ago!
I don't recognize the game anymore. Or I do. But the graphics. Jesus. The floor textures in goldshire:O the character models. They have less detail in them than a unit from Starcraft 2. At the same time, Panderean looks great.
If the other races are brought up to Panderean it will be fantastic.
But the graphics. The animations. ohh man, it's aged. I remember thinking that this cartoony art style would never feel old, hehe. 2004 is a long time ago!
No flying is certainly... interesting
I know I know, I was half-joking and half being really really amazed at how much more stupid they can get with lorelol.
No that's not right. Time/space is actually folded, that is the Dark Portal will connect present Azeroth A to Draenor B 30 years ago. One of the main points is that we're meeting Warlords of Draenor, 30 years later half of them would be dead and Grom would be older than "Saurfang the Elder".
I know I know, I was half-joking and half being really really amazed at how much more stupid they can get with lorelol.
No that's not right. Time/space is actually folded, that is the Dark Portal will connect present Azeroth A to Draenor B 30 years ago. One of the main points is that we're meeting Warlords of Draenor, 30 years later half of them would be dead and Grom would be older than "Saurfang the Elder".
I bought the item from Timeless Isle that transform you into a pandaren, and the animation looks so much better than on my female draenei. Almost makes me want to change race... too bad there is no such thing as a pandaren paladin.
Oh well, hopefully the draenei model update will be out before 2015. Or maybe i'll just switch her to a human or dwarf, since the new models will obviously be out before draeneis.
You're probably right but I just took it that way because Blizzard said during the panels that Garrosh is "old enough to be Thrall's dad" now. So I took that as Garrosh taking multiple years to finally gather the Iron Horde together. I mean, he's not instantly going back in time and immediately gathering the Iron Horde. They don't even exist yet.
I don't know. Whatever.
As with all of these questions, it entirely depends on your server, faction population, patience, and time you are willing to invest. If you want to buy everything off of the AH in one go, then 8k is probably a bit low and unless you are on a fairly populated server there just aren't going to be enough materials up at any given time and there is a decent chance someone will catch on and start relisting at higher prices (particularly for TBC/Wrath enchanting mats.)
I believe I spent around 15k to power-level enchanting and maybe 20-25k on leatherworking - this is combining the cost of 1-525 in Cata and 525-600 in MoP. However, I did do 1-525 on a medium-low pop server and 525-600 in a very high pop server, also both parts were done in the space of 1-2 hours so I was basically paying w/e the sellers wanted to charge instead of hunting for deals.
Things you can do to speed up this process and lessen the gold hit:
1. Run lower level dungeons and DE everything
2. Collect cloth from these dungeons and have a tailor alt craft stuff to DE
3. Look for weapons/armor on AH that are selling for less than the mats they DE into
4. Keep track of items you can convert between and always buy the cheaper one (e.g. lesser to greater essence, abyss crystals vs infinte dust/greater cosmic essence - I used to make a lot of money shattering these and selling the dust/essence for 5-10x what the crystal cost.)
Enchanting is nice to have in dungeons, but you are only really saving on BoP items that no-one needs and you win the DE roll on - you can always keep BoE items in your bag and ask someone to DE them later for cheap. With the changes in WoD, the gold income from enchanting looks like it will drop a good amount. You can make decent money with almost any profession, so consider whether you are ever really going to be able to make up the cost you put in versus sticking with your current profession. I'm not saying you shouldn't switch or your reasons for switching are bad, but I know some people have a hard time making gold in game and if you are one of them then you should think twice whether the investment is worth it. Obviously if you have some gold to blow, all of these things are irrelevant.
Probably not that long unless they ship WoD before spring, but it will take several months to complete it. I'd say 2-3 months is a reasonable estimate now that they buffed the drop chances and made it so the first two wings in SoO can drop the items as well.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Draenei monk, because I have literally never seen one.
Jag
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Running endless LFRs for the 20 drops made me quit again. It just became mind numbingly boring after awhile and accelerated burnout.
Of course I quit less than a month ago and already have the itch to come back again!
RoninChaos
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An 85 raid is easy? I haven't tried to go back and do any cata stuff. I guess the iLVL jump really is astounding.
<--- did no cata raiding except dragon soul.
Question for you warlocks out there. Since I got some cloth drops from TImeless Isle I now finally want to drag my lock from 80-90 and go after the green fire quest. Cause that shit is awesome. What iLvL should I be shooting for to be able to get it? I figured I could get to 90 and farm some drops and hopefully get a few burdens so I could update his gear once I get there. I wish Burden's weren't soul bound.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I did it with pretty crappy gear at the time, I think I barely had any 502 loot. But also, when I did it you could use demonic gateway every 15 seconds to clear aggro and you can't now, so I dunno.
UltimaKilo
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That's the exact answer I was looking for. Luckily I don't have a problem with gold, it seems pretty easy to come across just doing dungeons, scenarios and raids. Thanks!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
To the extent you can use JP to get Krarasang Faction gear, that is better than what you an get on TI, but the rest of the JP gear is lower ilvl than Timeless Isle stuff.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Blizz shat the bed with JP pretty bad with mists. It was completely worthless for the majority of the xpac for anything other than heirlooms, which is probably a big reason why 5-man heroics felt so unimportant and forgettable compared to previous xpacs.
Sax Russel
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I did it in the 470s, but with flask and food buffs. Didn't use a gateway either, but you can spam the pit lord's breath onto yourself to clear debuffs. With Timeless Isle gear+ I imagine it would be cake.
CarbonatedFalcon
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That is an odd combination and I don't know if I can say for sure I remember seeing one, but there just have been one of those keg chucking assholes whenever I was doing lowbie BGs near MoP release.
The only reason i do heroics is because its a very easy 80 VP. One heroic per day + that daily Emperor rep that gives 50 VP + 50 Epoch Stone for 200VP and one or two LFRs for 90 VP and i quickly reach the weekly cap.
I hate how fucking easy LFD heroics are now.
Not that I want something as hard as BC or early Cata, but man... give us a little challenge at least, make the bosses dangerous or something.Gentleman Jack
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The only reason i do heroics is because its a very easy 80 VP. One heroic per day + that daily Emperor rep that gives 50 VP + 50 Epoch Stone for 200VP and one or two LFRs for 90 VP and i quickly reach the weekly cap.
I hate how fucking easy LFD heroics are now.
Would be nice to have a reason to use CC outside of raid trash again. I can't remember the last time I saw sap, polymorph, etc wear off on a mob.
Sax Russel
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Bashiok said:
I like the sound of that =D
It's funny how we went from Cata, where almost every pulls asked for some kind of CC, to MoP where its basically "fuck it, let's AOE everything to death".
But...since expansions have been going like that since BC:
BC : CC required
WOTLK : No CC required
Cata : CC required
MoP : No CC required
One can only assume that WoD will bring CC back into heroics(and scenarios)... maybe.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
People definitely misremember wrath heroics early on. There was definitely CC going on in at least some of them, and wipes weren't terribly rare, especially in Ahn'Kahet and Gun'Drak. Halls of Lightning had some serious trash pulls as well.
Yeah, the problem with Wrath was how easy Naxx was. HoL's final boss was tough on an under geared group as well.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Yeah Loken was a fucking bastard, especially when he would keep refusing to drop that axe.
Characters only, so each character can loot the chests. Only BoP item is Burdens.
Wooo, thank you sir. I have not gotten any luck with my Priest, I think I've gotten more pieces for other armor specs than mine. Hopefully I'll get some cloth gear on my Paladin.
I don't really remember CCing in those instances. Sure the bosses and some of the trash were a little tough and we had to be careful with our pulls, but CC?? I don't remember that.
I guarantee you the only heroics I've ever CC'ed in were BC.
I did in early Cata heroics.
I remember ccing shadowflingers in Anubarak. This is also before every class was given interrupts as well. Also remember ccing some guys in HOR during the gauntlet part in undergeared groups.
Some of the Cata heroics were kind of a pain to PUG w/o CC the first week, e.g. Grim Batol, Lost City. CC'ing a few adds really helped offset the undergeared tanks, healers, and the lack of coordination.
Gentleman Jack
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late Vortex Pinnacle trash was brutal if you didn't CC at least one of the healers in the 6-pulls.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Farming Netherwing rep. I miss BC.
I love how each expansion has altered the mood and feel of things enough for them each to feel like a separate game. Vanilla/BC/Wrath/MoP all feel so distinct from one another. Cata does too, but to a lesser extent... I guess because we were back in EK/Kalimdor.
I love how each expansion has altered the mood and feel of things enough for them each to feel like a separate game. Vanilla/BC/Wrath/MoP all feel so distinct from one another. Cata does too, but to a lesser extent... I guess because we were back in EK/Kalimdor.
I remember when my friend farmed for the Netherwing mount back in BC. He said it took him 30 days and around 2 hour a day doing each quest. He then had to drop around 1k gold to get the mount. It all seemed like so much back then. I got around 7 days farmed and completed and then I stopped. I finally got back to farming it right when Cata came out. Took me another week but logged some serious hours since I just looked for eggs all day since I didn't want to do the quests the next day.
Anyways, it brought back some serious memories. I felt like I was back in BC all of a sudden.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I definitely remember there being CC on the pulls before Loken, the big packs of mixed iron vrykul and dwarf. The cultist packs by the last couple bosses of Ahn Kahet as well.
Damn that is harsh never had a queue at my server for a long long time. Emerald Dream here btw.
Damn that is pretty awesome,just like Vanilla and TBC. I don't mind i like exploring!
Can't say much about Cata heroics as I quit shortly after hitting 85 (I was so bored with the game back then), though I do remember the few attempts I did at them got nasty pretty quickly.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves and not overblow Wrath heroics as they were laughably easy. Even the fabled HoL, it was the first heroic I entered as a fresh 80 and I don't remember it being much hard. I had Loken achievement within 10 days of Wrath's release, with a decent group they were easily doable and with few epics they were steamrollable. OTOH, some of the TBC heroics were hellish even with a group of seasoned raiders. Damn you Shattered Halls, I hate Blizz for bringing Kargath back
There should be at least one more than the last one, no? C'thun, Yogg, Y'shaarj, we still have N'zoth and at the very least we have 5 Old Gods so that leaves us still with one unnamed one.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves and not overblow Wrath heroics as they were laughably easy. Even the fabled HoL, it was the first heroic I entered as a fresh 80 and I don't remember it being much hard. I had Loken achievement within 10 days of Wrath's release, with a decent group they were easily doable and with few epics they were steamrollable. OTOH, some of the TBC heroics were hellish even with a group of seasoned raiders. Damn you Shattered Halls, I hate Blizz for bringing Kargath back
There should be at least one more than the last one, no? C'thun, Yogg, Y'shaarj, we still have N'zoth and at the very least we have 5 Old Gods so that leaves us still with one unnamed one.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The thing that worked about them was that there were enough dungeons to make half of them easy and half of them hard. I'm not really sure why they don't just have 8 dungeons and some kind of progression path from the first to the last, e.g. you get marginally better gear from the harder ones. Of course, a good group could steamroll WLK heroics even from the start.
I don't see a chance of that happening - they're introducing a lot more incidental AOE from the talents I saw at Blizzcon.
Hell, +cleave is even a stat now
With MoP endgame it seemed they are killing CC for good (lot of AoE/add fights, legendary back proc, that cleave trinket) and I guess it's a one-way road now. Some of old fights would not even work now (remember no-cleaves-for-gods-sake fights/phases?), or even trashes (even without cleaves half the melee always died on sisters before Shahraz).
Long story short: CC is as good as dead in PVE, especially in heroics.
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