StormyTheRabbit
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What does this even mean? Rofl.
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What does this even mean? Rofl.
Gentleman Jack
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StormyTheRabbit
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That's what I was assuming...but how does any of that sound bad? It doesn't even effect us, even data-miners. Its simply server-side changes that simply updates the games file architecture and will only benefit players / content development.
It's actually all client-side changes, but it's about time they replaced MPQ with something more suited to a streaming world.
StormyTheRabbit
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Oh whoops! I meant to say client side >_<. But it seems much more efficient and just cleans up an architecture that has been pushed way past its limits over the last 10 years.
Yeah, it's a strange thing to be complaining about. Worst case scenario nothing changes, best case scenario we save some HDD space and the game loads faster.
Also I'd say something about them updating tooltips as hotfixes go out but I'm not even that hopeful.
HarryDemeanor
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Happy to see Warlords testing begin. Hopefully this is a quicker alpha period.
I just want to see MMO-Champion's front page filled with data-mined stuff.
I just want to see MMO-Champion's front page filled with data-mined stuff.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13423478/warlords-of-draenor™-alpha-patch-notes-4-3-2014
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Huge info dump with patch notes.
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Huge info dump with patch notes.
HarryDemeanor
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Yay! Reading now.
I just need to crosspost my reaction from the greatest WoW change in the history of mankind to ever exist in this universe and all parallel universes ever. I'm freaking out right now.
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IIITTTTSSS HAAAAPPPEEENNINNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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"Druid: Shred no longer requires the Druid to be behind the target."
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
WOD GOATOTYEY
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"Druid: Shred no longer requires the Druid to be behind the target."
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
WOD GOATOTYEY
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Schweinehund
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Was kind of hoping they would remove overpower from warrior. I hated the idea of spamming a button as a filler as a two hand class. I should be swinging slowly and for big numbers, not superfast for weak numbers. They said they weren't happy with the warrior arms rotation, so hopefully they did something about TFB. Overpower should be like how it was at launch, a situational button that did a ton of damage, especially in pvp. Not every button needs to be in a rotation, and not everyone has to be doing something every second. I'd like it if they brought back sudden death and made execute numbers a thing again. That haste change is pretty godly though, but I hope crit is still king for our stats (just not as much).
Overall I'm kind of happy they didn't switch alot up for the sake of change, hoping this expansion lands before september and I get onslaughted by DAI and Arkham Knight.
Overall I'm kind of happy they didn't switch alot up for the sake of change, hoping this expansion lands before september and I get onslaughted by DAI and Arkham Knight.
Jag
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They continue on the road to making abilities and racials much more generic and dumbed down. They did this with gear in MoP and are doing it with abilities and racials in WoD.
I'm all for removing ability bloat. I've played a hunter since release and have alts in every class, most of them 90 and the Hunter is probably one of the most bloated classes.
I know they had issues with certain classes being preferred over others, but instead of making interesting, new and creative abilities they continued on the path of +1% haste, +1% crit, +1% mastery, etc. It just isn't that exciting.
I'm all for removing ability bloat. I've played a hunter since release and have alts in every class, most of them 90 and the Hunter is probably one of the most bloated classes.
I know they had issues with certain classes being preferred over others, but instead of making interesting, new and creative abilities they continued on the path of +1% haste, +1% crit, +1% mastery, etc. It just isn't that exciting.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3879-Warlords-of-Draenor-Perks
Looks relatively interesting while leveling.
Looks relatively interesting while leveling.
Wibblewozzer
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I think I'm pleased about enhancement shaman stuff across the board. And those perks are simply insane and I expect to see nerfed. Improved flame shock has a 15% chance to reset lava lash, are most powerful attack? At 5% with the 4p tier bonus I'm constantly having lava lash reset. With 15% that'll be silly. There were a couple others but that was my favorite.
I'm cool with the other changes like the few abilities cut, lightning bolt not being castable while moving (without ancestral swiftness), and the only major raid thing I noticed for me being that earth elemental won't be meant to be popped for dps rotations as much with its damage significantly reduced.
Oh, and super pleased to see we get another elemental totem with the wind elemental. I suggested that in this thread some weeks ago. Not sure if it'll end up being the talent I'd go with but I still like that it's an option.
I'm cool with the other changes like the few abilities cut, lightning bolt not being castable while moving (without ancestral swiftness), and the only major raid thing I noticed for me being that earth elemental won't be meant to be popped for dps rotations as much with its damage significantly reduced.
Oh, and super pleased to see we get another elemental totem with the wind elemental. I suggested that in this thread some weeks ago. Not sure if it'll end up being the talent I'd go with but I still like that it's an option.
Damn, with all these changes, WoD is gonna feel like a fairly different game.
(Almost. Gonna be weird missing abilities and other things.)
I guess Hunter pets are gonna be getting a big overhaul on abilities since they removed all their CC skills and a few of the status effect ones (on the pets that had those abilities anyhow).
Perks are alright. Can't complain much about those.
(Almost. Gonna be weird missing abilities and other things.)
I guess Hunter pets are gonna be getting a big overhaul on abilities since they removed all their CC skills and a few of the status effect ones (on the pets that had those abilities anyhow).
Perks are alright. Can't complain much about those.
unknownstranger
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There better be a glyph to remove the improved Frost Nova perk for Frost Mages because that will probably drive me crazy.
First thing I thought too.
Probably shouldn't worry about deciding on anything, since we can't really experience these changes without considering the game as it will be for the next few months.
Man they are changing so many things. A lot of the changes sound really great though.
They're really cutting down on cast while moving, Ele Shamans are losing that on Lightning Bolt. It's a good call because ranged dps was getting all the perks of being at range and the perks of being melee (moving and attacking).
Yeah I love the idea. Gives us new bonuses while leveling, but does it without bloating the bars with new abilities.
They're really cutting down on cast while moving, Ele Shamans are losing that on Lightning Bolt. It's a good call because ranged dps was getting all the perks of being at range and the perks of being melee (moving and attacking).
Yeah I love the idea. Gives us new bonuses while leveling, but does it without bloating the bars with new abilities.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Professions not giving combat perks is a pretty huge change, but mostly just QoL, so I can't complain too much. I am curious about the new glyph changes with quite a few being automatically learned now. Wonder if they're going to make that up to scribes somehow or if they thought it was just excessively out of balance.
Everything else for DKs is fine though.
We hardly knew ye.
The tank dream is dead!
Huge QoL for AoE there.
Tons of tons of stuff, can't address it all. Most I like, some I dislike.
Everything else for DKs is fine though.
We hardly knew ye.
The tank dream is dead!
Huge QoL for AoE there.
Tons of tons of stuff, can't address it all. Most I like, some I dislike.
Hunter always felt very bloated to me (my hunter alt is only 85 though). Glad that's getting fixed.
Second wind change sounds like it could actually make it better for soloing old content so I think I'm ok with that.
Cleave feels like a traditional warrior ability (see Saurfang) that I'm actually sad to see it gone even if I haven't used it in ages. Was hoping they would redesign it into something useful. I'd guess it'll come back someday in a different form.
Glad Shred lost its positional requirement. Sad to see mangle gone though I understand with the shred change. Feral is the only spec I've ever cared to play on druid but it's always been such a pain in the arse to play.
It's nice that prof's are losing their damage bonuses. Also happy Tauren are gaining a crit damage bonus and their health racial reverted back to Stamina like it was in BC.
Second wind change sounds like it could actually make it better for soloing old content so I think I'm ok with that.
Cleave feels like a traditional warrior ability (see Saurfang) that I'm actually sad to see it gone even if I haven't used it in ages. Was hoping they would redesign it into something useful. I'd guess it'll come back someday in a different form.
Glad Shred lost its positional requirement. Sad to see mangle gone though I understand with the shred change. Feral is the only spec I've ever cared to play on druid but it's always been such a pain in the arse to play.
It's nice that prof's are losing their damage bonuses. Also happy Tauren are gaining a crit damage bonus and their health racial reverted back to Stamina like it was in BC.
Wibblewozzer
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I'll admit that when I saw that I actually said, "noooo!" I was mostly joking to myself as it was really rare for me to use it but did enjoy the small amount of tanking I could do in a pinch. Tanking the Sha of Fear in ToES as an enhance shaman is still possibly my favorite moment in the game for me.
I would really like if in another expansion they gave shamans a tank spec. That'd be so amazing.
Great change, and I also love:
It means Healthstones are a nice bonus, but people can bring health pots if you don't have a lock. Another great change.
Sounds like scribes will have plenty to make:
I dabbled in Cataclysm, but the last time I played seriously was WotLK. Generally, I wouldn't give my opinion much weight. That said, as someone who feels WoD sounds very intriguing, the patch notes dented my enthusiasm. Once again, the path of least resistance moves away from the little nuances that ultimately distinguish abilities/classes, and toward reduction and homogenization. For me, Eyes of the Beast is symbolic of this instinct. Out of the abilities that have been removed, this one ranks among the less useful, but it was harmless, squeezing whatever use it had out of it was fun, and it was a perfectly sensible flavor ability for a Hunter to have.
Removing Disarm? It was one of the more interesting CC effects to use. It wasn't nearly as effective in PvE as more conventional CC, but like EotB, it's an ability where you have to "squeeze the usefulness out of it," and by extension, maximize the usefulness of your character. And occasionally, it actually was surprisingly useful!
Removing Disarm Trap? Por qué? Few Rogues used it, but on the occasions you could, it was pretty entertaining to do so.
The usual effects (Divine Shield, etc. etc.) can now cancel out Cyclone? So now people will approach it in pretty much exactly the same way they approach every other CC? Not nearly as interesting. This was an ability that really made Druids want to hit max level (if I remember correctly!) once.
And the list goes on, of course.
Complaining about WoW patch notes makes me feel pretty dirty, because it's impossible not to associate that with the WoW forums. But I recall Ghostcrawler giving hints about a growing awareness that the developers often didn't hit the mark with homogenization. I guess that's not a sentiment the people still working on WoW agree with.
Anyway, there's a lot of exciting stuff there, as well. Healing changes sound interesting overall, for example, and were I ever to play again I'd probably go down that route. Just a bit surprised that once again they're pushing homogenization this hard.
Out of curiosity, how did Blizzard handle that throughout MoP?
Orochinagis
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Interesting changes to the mages, holy damn they even changed their early talents to be more viable.
Also this is greatly welcome:
And rip Invocation =c
Huh, info dump, I'll read through the entire thing later on but I still don't like removal of Shadow Blades. I honestly really liked that skill as it gave assa rogues finally some true burst and made soloing much easier and more viable. Besides, it was an interesting cooldown. I think I wish they retuned skills and removed Vendetta instead :/
eudaemonic
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Really wish they hadn't pushed this out till "appear offline" was an option. *sigh*
Robin64
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The 91 to 99 "perks" are absolutely useless.
By 100, you have them all. Everyone will have all of their perks. Furthermore, everything about the game is balanced at 100 because that's the level that 95% of the WoD content will take place at.
What this ends up meaning is that the perks were completely fluff, designed to make you feel like you are getting something by levelling up as the content takes into account that people have the extra damage from them. Without them, the level 100 content would have still been balanced around the damage that people are doing.
They are completely boring and pointless.
By 100, you have them all. Everyone will have all of their perks. Furthermore, everything about the game is balanced at 100 because that's the level that 95% of the WoD content will take place at.
What this ends up meaning is that the perks were completely fluff, designed to make you feel like you are getting something by levelling up as the content takes into account that people have the extra damage from them. Without them, the level 100 content would have still been balanced around the damage that people are doing.
They are completely boring and pointless.
Wait, am I looking right at these graphs? I thought the squish would bring the numbers back to TBC, early-WotLK levels at most, but it seems they're going to squish it only back to Cata levels? Honestly that's kinda disappointing, I thought they're gonna do a serious squish, instead it looks like they want to do it, but they're afraid of going all the way through. Meh.
Ugh, sounds fun
Ugh, sounds fun
Robin64
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Well this is what we got from the last event. I think it's a little further back than Cata levels.
Haha, true.
unknownstranger
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Well this is what we got from the last event. I think it's a little further back than Cata levels.
That's basically 25 man Naxx (although KT's weapons are better). Random assumption that heroic warforged gear is now around heroic 25 Ulduar or normal 25 man ToGC (239-245 ilvl) and that will probably make WoD stats similar to Cata depending on how crazy they go with scaling.
Yeah this looks about late-TBC level (edit: almost the damage per second as Apolyon in fact, remember that damage calculation changed in 5.0 so damage per second on past weapons was increased. Glaives are now 154.4 dps when they were, err, about 108-109 dps), but mind you that's mid-tier MoP item. And looking from the graph they're expecting to include the usual new expansion stat spike, which seems might bring it back to Cata level at 100, which is IMO dumb.
These graphs are very deceptive though, in the game there is a huge hp spike at 81, back when they wanted to massively inflate health pools for Cata to decrease the burstiness of the game.
Overall it seems they are manipulating existing data to show how much of a squish they're doing when it's not as massive as they promised. But I guess we will see when we get a first look at lvl 100 items, no need to panic yet.
These graphs are very deceptive though, in the game there is a huge hp spike at 81, back when they wanted to massively inflate health pools for Cata to decrease the burstiness of the game.
Overall it seems they are manipulating existing data to show how much of a squish they're doing when it's not as massive as they promised. But I guess we will see when we get a first look at lvl 100 items, no need to panic yet.
unknownstranger
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Blizz went batshit insane with scaling in Mists. Something I always compare is heroic blues hp to last raid fully geared hp. I don't remember WotLK hp's from beginning to end because of the increased health in 4.0, but in BC and Cata there was around a 40% increase. In Mists it more than doubled.
Got my first gold CM. Scarlet Halls with some pug on oq, one shotted it too. Even had the tank die once and beat it. And I was nubcaking it up since I didn't know when to use dps potions, and we got lucky and avoided an entire set of mobs before Armsmaster.
This reddit screen is the sassiest thing ever
This reddit screen is the sassiest thing ever
I was reading through those Warlords of Draenor alpha patch notes.
Blizzard is addressing almost every mechanical problem I have with the genre. I've never been so excited.
I quit playing this a while back after becoming frustrated with my monk and spent half a year with FFXIV:ARR. I can't stand that game anymore and was looking to come back to WoW. I had concerns because I didn't leave on a high note, mostly because of these issues I have with playing the game.
But those patch notes address so many of them. It feels so unreal reading through it.
I can't wait to get started again.
Blizzard is addressing almost every mechanical problem I have with the genre. I've never been so excited.
I quit playing this a while back after becoming frustrated with my monk and spent half a year with FFXIV:ARR. I can't stand that game anymore and was looking to come back to WoW. I had concerns because I didn't leave on a high note, mostly because of these issues I have with playing the game.
But those patch notes address so many of them. It feels so unreal reading through it.
I can't wait to get started again.
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