Disc is the PVE spec mostly now, and Holy is mostly PVP. It's flipped from how it used to be. Absorbs are too good in raiding environments. Holy has better CC than Disc, which is all that arena's about in 5.4
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Disc is the PVE spec mostly now, and Holy is mostly PVP. It's flipped from how it used to be. Absorbs are too good in raiding environments. Holy has better CC than Disc, which is all that arena's about in 5.4
mysteriousmage09
Member
Someone from the Burning Legion that is fucking pissed off. Mannoroth is a big fucking deal in the Legion and someone has to be furious that the Orcs said "fuck your offer" and killed him in a span of 3 min.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I'm not sure if I actually want the CE, but I figured I might as well put in the order now, I have 3 months to cancel if I change my mind.
God I fucking hope not. I think he is more likely the boss of the 6.2 raid in Tanaan, which is where the main Iron Horde citadel is.
There is data mined dialogue that implies
and that could be interestign.
God I fucking hope not. I think he is more likely the boss of the 6.2 raid in Tanaan, which is where the main Iron Horde citadel is.
There is data mined dialogue that implies
our victories over the iron horde cause him to waver in his stance against demonic shit and Gul'Dan starts to worm his way in
Nah, too boring. Expecting someone from the Burning Legion in a hellish demon-controlled Alt-Azeroth. Figure that would fit into the "horde and alliance are strong because of each other" message from the end of the legendary questline, if we see how easily Demons best alt-Alliance.
RPGCrazied
Member
I just hope since they didn't drink the blood, the legion part won't happen. Though I hope the legion gets pissed cause the deal was broke.
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
Well, the legion is present in Talador, with quite many forces, so they could certainly be pissed (well, more than they normally are).
Sax Russel
Banned
If they offered a free faction change, but Alliance to Horde only (lol, I know), I wonder how many people would do it.
Pretty sure I'm turning my 2004 made human warlock main into an orc when I resub for WoD =X
Pretty sure I'm turning my 2004 made human warlock main into an orc when I resub for WoD =X
I faction-changed my human male paladin into a female tauren. But now I'm honestly regretting it because I really didn't like how different the revamped female tauren faces are.
I'm anxious to see how improved the new human animations are going to be.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Has arena ever been about something other than CC
Messerschmidt
Member
Can someone break down what's going on in this cinematic? I JUST read up on the horde backstory yesterday and am confused.
Grom has red skin, meaning he's already drank demon's blood and had his soul cleansed. So why is he being asked to drink demon blood again? I thought he killed Mannoroth already? Is this just simply a past version or parallel version of Draenor?
Grom has red skin, meaning he's already drank demon's blood and had his soul cleansed. So why is he being asked to drink demon blood again? I thought he killed Mannoroth already? Is this just simply a past version or parallel version of Draenor?
Liferebooted
Banned
WOD seems to completely ignore the Alliance =\
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Or at the very least a demon-filled raid to take out Gul'Dan, leading to the next expansion that is Burning Legion 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Most Draenei content in the history of WoW.
The answer to your last question is "yes", (the video starts with "35 years ago", after all)but that's not entirely correct. Grom has BROWN skin, not red. Brown is natural orc skin color before demon business, and this video takes place right before the orcs would have drank the blood for the first time.
He has brown skin, they got green skin after drinking it. It's a past version of a parallel Draenor. Garrosh got there with the help of a rogue Bronze dragon and he took those fucking spinners with him and told daddy not to drink the blood.
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mysteriousmage09
Member
Wrong, green skin = corrupted, which only Gul'dan had done at that time. It is alternate timeline Draenor showing that event but Garrosh has made it so the path that we have seen in lore changes right at that moment.
No further corruption, Mannoroth fucking destroyed, Orcs forging their own path, one not led by the Burning Legion.
Thrall was knocked out dammit
By the way, doesn't Gul'dan gets off the hook too easily?
WoD spoilers
if by the "off the hook" you mean literally "chainged with hooks", then yes. He is chained up with Cho'Gal and other Shadow Council memebers powering up the Dark Portal
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
His skin isn't red, it's brown. (red is super corrupted, while green is just residual exposure to fel magic)
The burning legion basically has a personal vendetta against the draenei, so Kil'Jaeden appears to the top shaman as his deceased wife and tricks him into uniting the orcs, and leading them against the Draenei.
When he catches on to this being a ploy he tries to stop it, but is usurped by Gul'Dan (the creepy old one in the cinematic) and to solidify their hold on the orcs they try to get them to drink Mannoroths blood.
Garrosh went back in time 35 years and basically Back To The Future'd it and warned his dad about this blood pact, and that creates an alternate past that is now connected to the current timeline in the present, where things still happened like normal.
Basically we're being invaded by an alernate-past version of the orcs that invaded 30 years ago.
All baseless conjecture, but people seem to think the expansion after this one will be the Undead one with dealing with Sylvannas and Bolvar's Lich King-ness and all that junk. I don't even think we'll be raiding Orc stuff past the first tier, honestly. Surely, we'll be killing demons for most of WoD. It's very doubtful that each Warlord will get represented in a tier or even share a tier amongst each other past the first one. And I just don't see a Arrakoa raid tier happening with how much people hated Heart of Fear.
But who am I kidding, it'll be a Troll tier.
But who am I kidding, it'll be a Troll tier.
That's like the third quest once you get to Draenor. And then you (as in your character) fucks everything up.
Never understood why people think WoD is 'about horde story' and alliance is just shafted. Everything related to the iron horde is totally unrelated to the ACTUAL horde, as much as it is distanced from the alliance. They're the bad guy, they share a visual with orcs but they're not any more related to them than they are to Varian Wrynn or whatever. Just makes no sense.
Liferebooted
Banned
Iron HORDE isn't related to HORDE?
RPGCrazied
Member
Yeah, where the hell did he go? If you remember, we didn't kill him, but banish him back into the portal. He is still around.... somewhere.
Eh, watch it being that universes Legion and them coming through the portal at the end :d
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
This is actually the first I've seen of anyone mentioning Undead/Sylvanas for post-WoD stuff.
Arokkoa is very unlikely just due to how the questlines play out in Spires
Their story is basically finished. We defend the arokkoa we come to know as evil/corrupted in Outland from the crazy uncorrupted zealots that are trying to wipe them out. We take out the heads of the zealot faction and destroy their doom weapon. This prevents the corrupted arokkoa from having to turn to super extreme evil shit to survive and they become our bros.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
I just get the feeling that the reasonable orcs of the iron horde will probably end up allying with the horde to counter the imbalance after SoO.
I mean, it's kinda hard to justify killing your future self, or your kids/grandkids.
Isn't there also 3 orc factions? The iron horde led by Grom, the present horde led by Vol'Jin, and then the other group led by Blackhand and full of the 'badguy' warlords?
I can't see Grom being a bad guy once his son is revealed to be a traitor and a coward by Thrall and Durotan.
Messerschmidt
Member
I have 3 months to do a fuck ton of reading and catch up on all this. I'm loving this god damn story and am kicking myself for waiting 10 years to start giving a shit about it.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Grom's group and the Blackhand faction are the same group
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
He hasn't even posted, I can only assume he transcended his physical form and has become a being of pure hype.
RPGCrazied
Member
And this CG just proves again they should do a CG movie. Why live-action is beyond me.
Some individuals break away from the Iron Horde. You can pick up a Gronn hunter from the Thunderlord clan and a blacksmith from (?) clan as your garrison followers. The hunter thinks the rest of them have lost honor while the blacksmith despises them copying his desings and making them with shitty metal.
Frostwolves and the Laughing Skull clan never join.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
They are by far the best orc faction in the history of the franchise. They give no fucks at all about no united orc war machine, they just want to rek shit in gorgrond and have fun wearing their skull masks.
He's also wearing the same rags in the cinematic as he was in the comic they released where he goes to meet Ner'Zhul (or fuck was it Gul'Dan, I always get those mixed) as the envoy of Hellscream.
Yeah, they are awesome. I posted some dialogue earlier from the fire chick who wants to burn everything down. And you get her as a follower too
Yeah, they are awesome. I posted some dialogue earlier from the fire chick who wants to burn everything down. And you get her as a follower too
I agree. I really want to see the two sneak peeks they showed at Blizzcon/comic con to see how the aesthetic compares to the cinematics. Damn the secrecy
Okay, after Gul'Dan says claim your destiny he says something else but I cant make it.
You will all kulgarus is what I hear
You will all be conquerors
So he's instead telling them to grind faction rep with the Warsong Outriders, The Defilers and Frostwolves? Truly, that is a fate worse than servitude to the Burning Legion.
Truly
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