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Gotchya, seems like everyone uses it.

When given the choice to wear something you think looks cooler than what you're currently wearing, why wouldn't you? It's been a great addition. It'll be even better in WoD when any item you've ever acquired will be available for transmogrification, you won't need to fill your bags and banks with items you use, or might use for transmogrification any more.

 

[Robin64]

The free 90 when you pre-purchase WoD is awesome, though I have no idea what I want there. I already have a 90 paladin and a 90 mage, so hmm...

 

[Data West]

Figures. Whizzig is up afteR I just bought a bunch of Mogu Runes

 

[soxinthebox]

So I'm downloading WoW now to play for the first time ever. I'm going to pick up the physical pack that includes BC, WotLK and Cata soon. Anything else I need to grab to start? Is there anything cheap through the store I should buy for a fun way to jump in?

I think you only need cataclysm to start playing now. Just got a scroll of resurrection after recovering my five year old account and cata seems to be the baseline.

 

[Shahadan]

So I'm downloading WoW now to play for the first time ever. I'm going to pick up the physical pack that includes BC, WotLK and Cata soon. Anything else I need to grab to start? Is there anything cheap through the store I should buy for a fun way to jump in?

Mists was very cheap recently, you missed it ;(
Otherwise you're good to go. Have fun. Read quests, do what you want to do, play at your pace. Dungeon Finder opens at lvl 15 so until then just focus on understanding your character
Feel free to ask questions (though if you do it ingame you might become a jerk magnet)

 

[Data West]

Wow. This might be the most mentally slow LFR I've ever been in. No one marking Paragons. No one killing Ambers. DERP.

 

[Zemm]

The free 90 when you pre-purchase WoD is awesome, though I have no idea what I want there. I already have a 90 paladin and a 90 mage, so hmm...

yeah this, I have no idea what character to level up :/ I have no level 90 alts but loads around 60-70 (warlock, warrior, shaman and rogue) with a priest at 35 and in full heirloom gear so all those classes would feel like a waste. Has to be a Monk I guess.

 

[strafer]

Did you see this?

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3705-Warlords-of-Draenor-Scouting-Report

 

[Jag]

I have 6 90s and 4 85s all Alliance on Whisperwind. The only class I'm missing is Warrior. I'm wondering if I should get a 90 Horde on the same realm or complete my deck with an alliance warrior.

 

[Mordeccai]

Oh man. Against my better judgement I'm considering jumping back into WoW after having left it alone for four years. Does a scroll of resurrection let me see MoP, or only Cata (which I bought and played for like... two weeks)? Also, any idea on if MoP will be on sale again soon?

Also, second question, I love healers. How is the monk? HoTs are pretty much my favorite thing ever, being a druid from vanilla.

 

[Tacitus_]

Did you see this?

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3705-Warlords-of-Draenor-Scouting-Report

Hmm, they're telling us to check our opt in status. Beta time soon?

 

[soxinthebox]

Oh man. Against my better judgement I'm considering jumping back into WoW after having left it alone for four years. Does a scroll of resurrection let me see MoP, or only Cata (which I bought and played for like... two weeks)? Also, any idea on if MoP will be on sale again soon?

Also, second question, I love healers. How is the monk? HoTs are pretty much my favorite thing ever, being a druid from vanilla.

I just did the SoR and it lets you do Cataclysm for 7 days. That let's you level to 85 and make Pandaren just not a Monk I believe.

 

[Tendo]

I have bought cosmetic items in games before and regretted it - in fact almost immediately.

I bought the Skyreaver yesterday. No regrets. That thing is so awesome!

Any hints/rumors as to the WoD launch or pre order other than soon?

 

[Schweinehund]

Its good to see confirmation of free level 90's.

I hope this entices people with plenty of horde alts to make alliance alts on pvp servers.

 

[Data West]

Here's my tradeoff for the first two patched no flying deal... Blizz, you gotta have better god damn FPs.

 

[The Lamonster]

Wow. This might be the most mentally slow LFR I've ever been in. No one marking Paragons. No one killing Ambers. DERP.

So sick of this mentality in LFR.

It's because they don't know what to do, not that they know what to do and are too stupid to do it.

 

[Anoregon]

Here's my tradeoff for the first two patched no flying deal... Blizz, you gotta have better god damn FPs.

Really? Everything from the Cata revamp on has a FP like every 12 feet. They seem fine to me.

 

[Data West]

So sick of this mentality in LFR.

It's because they don't know what to do, not that they know what to do and are too stupid to do it.

So they're willingly ignorant of fight mechanics to ruin everyone else's experience because they couldn't take the 5 seconds to look up a guide? T here's a million 'lfr guides' out there.

Really? Everything from the Cata revamp on has a FP like every 12 feet. They seem fine to me.

MoP FPs are terrible. They take the long way around constantly.

 

[King Gilga]

The Spear of Xuen is hilariously broken on a fresh level 85. I have mine upgraded to 471 with dancing steel on it. Ohhhh my this is fun.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=89685

Is it still bugged and gets upgraded to ilevel 510 in bgs?

One shotting people with crusader strike or ravage was pretty broken/funny.

 

[RPGCrazied]

They are going to start selling 90's, lol. Like its *that* hard to level. And wtf, why is this game not F2P when they are doing this. Selling pets/mounts is one thing, but level 90's as well? Uh.

 

[Orochinagis]

They are going to start selling 90's, lol. Like its *that* hard to level. And wtf, why is this game not F2P when they are doing this. Selling pets/mounts is one thing, but level 90's as well? Uh.

LFR will be hilarious to play then

 

[Robin64]

LFR will be hilarious to play then

Most people in LFR are atrocious right now anyway. Levelling a class to 90 currently does absolutely nothing to prepare a player for how to function in a raid environment.

 

[RPGCrazied]

I already have 5 90's. A couple toons in the mid 80's and a couple 70's. Its really not that hard to level, its called heirlooms.

 

[Bisnic]

Most people in LFR are atrocious right now anyway. Levelling a class to 90 currently does absolutely nothing to prepare a player for how to function in a raid environment.

*6 DPS dies to giant circle of death on the ground*

"WTF healers?" -Legolazz(who had his pet taunting bosses)
"wow that sux" -Iamgod(who was spamming 2 spells the entire fight)
"Retards." -Trollking(healer doing DPS)
"what happened" -Twxojydxmve(who was looking at porn)
"lol im watching family guy" -Derpyhooves(who was autoattacking)
Holycow has gone offline. (guy who gave up 30 mins ago and was on Follow)

 

[Tacitus_]

*6 DPS dies to giant circle of death on the ground*

"WTF healers?" -Legolazz(who had his pet taunting bosses)
"wow that sux" -Iamgod(who was spamming 2 spells the entire fight)
"Retards." -Trollking(healer doing DPS)
"what happened" -Twxojydxmve(who was looking at porn)
"lol im watching family guy" -Derpyhooves(who was autoattacking)
Holycow has gone offline. (guy who gave up 30 mins ago and was on Follow)

And the "lol why so mad guise, its only a game" guy

 

[Justzisguyukno]

Welp, guess I'll be coming back to WoW sooner then expected to play around with a new lvl 90 character:



Hmm, a Druid or a Warlock....

I have a warlock at 85 right now that I've barely touched since the lvl 70 days, and I cannot even fathom the idea of getting a fresh lvl 90 lock and figuring out where to start. I think druid would be right up there with the most complicated class to be thrown into also, due to all of the shape shifting they do.

 

[Jag]

Most people in LFR are atrocious right now anyway. Levelling a class to 90 currently does absolutely nothing to prepare a player for how to function in a raid environment.

I think the influx of new 90s is going to make LFRs unbearable. I'm glad I finished my cloak.

However it is a smart move by Blizz. It gets people to pre-purchase WoD AND re-sub now to get their 90s.

 

[scoobs]

LFR won't be the go-to place for people trying to get into raiding in WoD... it'll literally be for people who have no intention of getting raiding gear and just want to see the raid.

Normal mode flex will be the new go-to place, hopefully better than LFR because it requires people to form groups.

 

[Stephen_drewz]

Currently Level 19(Orc Hunter) but forgot to do the dungeon that a quest takes me too that popped up around Level 15. This is the dungeon here, http://www.wowwiki.com/Wailing_Caverns

Should I be able to solo this? It doesn't say anything about doing it with other people or an option to queue etc but I am getting beat down pretty hard going solo.

 

[Anoregon]

It is a group instance, you should not be soloing it at your level. You can also totally ignore it though, you shouldn't feel compelled to do every quest you come across. If you outlevel it, just drop and move on.

 

[Hupsel]

Nibbleh makes me want to punch the pc screen omg... suck a bugged boss. Way more frustating than Hexor.

 

[Stephen_drewz]

It is a group instance, you should not be soloing it at your level. You can also totally ignore it though, you shouldn't feel compelled to do every quest you come across. If you outlevel it, just drop and move on.

Cool thanks. I do wanna do it, new to the game so would like to see what it's like and hopefully get some "slightly" better gear. And I assume there is a boss or two which I would like to vs.

I will wait for my friend to come online tomorrow to carry me through.

Suppose I could just abandon it and use dungeon finder.

 

[Shahadan]

Cool thanks. I do wanna do it, new to the game so would like to see what it's like and hopefully get some "slightly" better gear. And I assume there is a boss or two which I would like to vs.

I will wait for my friend to come online tomorrow to carry me through.

Suppose I could just abandon it and use dungeon finder.

It's one of the worst instance of the game, a complete labyrinthic ugly mess that is a relic of design decisions fortunately long gone. Enjoy

 

[mileS]

Is it still bugged and gets upgraded to ilevel 510 in bgs?

One shotting people with crusader strike or ravage was pretty broken/funny.

damn lol haven't heard of this yet. I'll try to test it later today.

 

[RoninChaos]

When given the choice to wear something you think looks cooler than what you're currently wearing, why wouldn't you? It's been a great addition. It'll be even better in WoD when any item you've ever acquired will be available for transmogrification, you won't need to fill your bags and banks with items you use, or might use for transmogrification any more.

They haven't confirmed that yet, I don't believe.

 

[RoninChaos]

So they're willingly ignorant of fight mechanics to ruin everyone else's experience because they couldn't take the 5 seconds to look up a guide? T here's a million 'lfr guides' out there.

MoP FPs are terrible. They take the long way around constantly.

Not trying to be a dick here but you do know this goes both ways, right? Not everyone is going to know the fight or watch a video to learn it. You need to be ready for that. If you know the fight and don't want to say something, then YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO.

Let's take it one step further. People always scream how stupid and shitty the populace in WoW is, yet they are doing the same thing you are-- giving NO help or direction to those who obviously could use it. I would be willing to bet that 90% of the people in LFR WANT to do a good job yet people get kicked if they ask questions in LFR and LFD. Instead of people going "Okay, new guy, here's how it works" and working together to be successful, most new people are told shit like "LRN2PLAY NUB". No one offers any advice or tips, and everybody wipes. THen the same people who are like "OMFG NOOBS" bitch because the fight failed. Raiding, even in LFR, does require SOME coordination. This mentality of "Let's just call people stupid!" in LFR doesn't do shit for anybody except make a bunch of nerds feel superior over someone that's new. I come from the fighting game community as a tournament organizer, and let me tell you THAT attitude is fucking BULLSHIT. It's been a blight on the fighting game community and it has turned away so many eager players because some people just want to be dick heads because they think they're better at something than someone else. Seeing it in WoW ENRAGES me.

Here's an idea; If no one is stepping up to give direction to the raid, and you know the fight, then YOU step up. People don't want to go into any situation and fail. If they need some guidance, offer it. If they don't take it, it is what it is. But think about how many people want to be better, and no one is stepping up to help. It still leads to the same place, people failing and raids wiping.

WoW's community is shrinking, and will probably continue to shrink until there's nothing left but a bunch of assholes who scream "LRN2PLAY NUB". Be someone that's going to help make a change rather than getting on here to talk about how stupid people are and maybe the WoW community will get better.

 

[Tamanon]

Cool thanks. I do wanna do it, new to the game so would like to see what it's like and hopefully get some "slightly" better gear. And I assume there is a boss or two which I would like to vs.

I will wait for my friend to come online tomorrow to carry me through.

Suppose I could just abandon it and use dungeon finder.

You don't have to abandon the quest. You can use dungeon finder to get a group and still complete the quest in a group. That's the best option if you want to see the Caverns.

 

[Tacitus_]

Not trying to be a dick here but you do know this goes both ways, right? Not everyone is going to know the fight or watch a video to learn it. You need to be ready for that. If you know the fight and don't want to say something, then YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO.

That is possible, but some people are just goddamn morons. Like those who keep standing in the stuff that is damaging your character.

 

[Data West]

Not trying to be a dick here but you do know this goes both ways, right? Not everyone is going to know the fight or watch a video to learn it. You need to be ready for that. If you know the fight and don't want to say something, then YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO.

Let's take it one step further. People always scream how stupid and shitty the populace in WoW is, yet they are doing the same thing you are-- giving NO help or direction to those who obviously could use it. I would be willing to bet that 90% of the people in LFR WANT to do a good job yet people get kicked if they ask questions in LFR and LFD. Instead of people going "Okay, new guy, here's how it works" and working together to be successful, most new people are told shit like "LRN2PLAY NUB". No one offers any advice or tips, and everybody wipes. THen the same people who are like "OMFG NOOBS" bitch because the fight failed. Raiding, even in LFR, does require SOME coordination. This mentality of "Let's just call people stupid!" in LFR doesn't do shit for anybody except make a bunch of nerds feel superior over someone that's new. I come from the fighting game community as a tournament organizer, and let me tell you THAT attitude is fucking BULLSHIT. It's been a blight on the fighting game community and it has turned away so many eager players because some people just want to be dick heads because they think they're better at something than someone else. Seeing it in WoW ENRAGES me.

Here's an idea; If no one is stepping up to give direction to the raid, and you know the fight, then YOU step up. People don't want to go into any situation and fail. If they need some guidance, offer it. If they don't take it, it is what it is. But think about how many people want to be better, and no one is stepping up to help. It still leads to the same place, people failing and raids wiping.

WoW's community is shrinking, and will probably continue to shrink until there's nothing left but a bunch of assholes who scream "LRN2PLAY NUB". Be someone that's going to help make a change rather than getting on here to talk about how stupid people are and maybe the WoW community will get better.

So people should waste everyone's time because someone refuses to take 5 minutes out of their day and read the mechanics for the most BASIC of fights? It's in the fucking dungeon journal. I had been away from WoW for years. You know what I did before I went into LFR? I said 'oh, I should make sure to look up a quick summary of the fights so I have an idea of what to do.' Not 'derp I'll just go in, it'll be easy peasy.' Because I have an understanding of other people. Kicking someone for being AFK is one thing. But wasting people's time? No one wants to be in a LFR forever, and you know what your idea does? It keeps people in LFR forever. It's the kind of shit that made Naxx runs take 4 hours just to do one wing because people weren't prepared and didn't even bother asking for help on what to do.

It's not asking a lot for people to install dbm. It's not a lot to ask someone to sit and think 'before I potentially fuck up things for 24 other people, maybe I should go check out a brief description of these fights, or I should ask a friend.' And are you seriously trying to blame the population dwindling as some recent thing? It's ALWAYS been like this. Now people are given chances to raid, and they can't even look up the simplest of mechanics. If I'm playing my healer, and I queue for a random dungeon? I make sure I know how to heal. It's like going hiking with someone, you get there, and they say 'oh i don't know anything about the outdoors. And I didn't bring a compass.'

And I have NEVER seen someone kicked from any raid for asking a question.

But please, keep projecting on me.

 

[Orochinagis]

I usually go for the LFR without knowing the mechanics so when I screw up or Die early I always ask why I died or failed then I realized most people are complete unaware of the fights just like me and we are just waiting for someone to point out the direction of the fight but yeah some of them just want to be carried by a overgeared group and not doing nothing.

Being a Tank in a LFR is really stressfull, thats why I kinda avoid doing it with my pally.

 

[RoninChaos]

*snip*

I usually go for the LFR without knowing the mechanics so when I screw up or Die early I always ask why I died or failed then I realized most people are complete unaware of the fights just like me and we are just waiting for someone to point out the direction of the fight but yeah some of them just want to be carried by a overgeared group and not doing nothing.

Being a Tank in a LFR is really stressfull, thats why I kinda avoid doing it with my pally.

Point proven. Orochi would take direction if someone would give it to him. Most people in LFR aren't there to fuck your day up. They want to play, just like you. But not everybody is going to go "Fuck it, I'm gonna look up this whole wing and watch videos and blah blah blah". They queue up, do dailies, craft, play the AH, and then get into LFR.

Dragonzord, nothing you said counters the fact that you could help make things run smoother if gave direction when you notice things aren't going right. There's a solution, one that YOU can be a part of. Or you can keep bitching about it, and saying something on GAF instead of to the people in your raid.

 

[CarbonatedFalcon]

Man I gotta say doing Pandaria leveling now in my Shaman is sooooo much better than the Priest. You actually kill things fast, and have real DPS cooldowns.

Priest I dunno what I'm gonna do with you come WoD. Especially since I typically prefer playing Shaman or Druid heals. Haven't played Monk, so not sure how compare as healers (or other specs).

 

[Data West]

Point proven. Orochi would take direction if someone would give it to him. Most people in LFR aren't there to fuck your day up. They want to play, just like you. But not everybody is going to go "Fuck it, I'm gonna look up this whole wing and watch videos and blah blah blah". They queue up, do dailies, craft, play the AH, and then get into LFR.

Dragonzord, nothing you said counters the fact that you could help make things run smoother if gave direction when you notice things aren't going right. There's a solution, one that YOU can be a part of. Or you can keep bitching about it, and saying something on GAF instead of to the people in your raid.

Those same people that the tank says in raid chat 'lust' and no one lusts. Says it in /say and no one lusts. Says it in RW and no one lusts. Let's stop trying to act like everyone's some naive innocent who just needs a helping hand.

Also, what kind of sticks need to be driven together to make someone realize 'oh this guy is in amber and the amber says 'Amber Regeneration' and all my attacks are immune... But I'll just keep hitting it anyways'

 

[RoninChaos]

Those same people that the tank says in raid chat 'lust' and no one lusts. Says it in /say and no one lusts. Says it in RW and no one lusts. Let's stop trying to act like everyone's some naive innocent who just needs a helping hand.

Also, what kind of sticks need to be driven together to make someone realize 'oh this guy is in amber and the amber says 'Amber Regeneration' and all my attacks are immune... But I'll just keep hitting it anyways'

We can do that the minute you stop acting like the entire population is stupid.

This game throws a ton of info at the player, but never actually teaches them how to play. That's one of WoW's biggest failings. You mentioned you wouldn't queue up to heal if you didn't know how to heal. Knowing the basics of your class and what a raid encounter will entail are two different things. The fact that DBM is pretty much required to play and isn't something built in the game proves this game still has a long way to go with the information and scenarios it presents when it comes to the casual player. The same player that's apparently the bulk of the population.

I was a raid leader in vanilla, and in Lich King. I've dealt with idiots and assholes when raiding, but most people will do what is neccesary if you tell them where they need to be and what they need to do when they get there. When I help run FInal Round, I deal with idiots and assholes. most people will do what is neccesary if you tell them where they need to be and what they need to do when they get there. In both situations, the idiots and assholes aren't nearly as large a group as the ones who will do what they have to if they're just told how. When I run LFR I ask, before I pull, if anybody doesn't know the fight. Usually at least 5-8 people say they don't. Taking 30 seconds to explain it to them, and let them know what your call outs are going to be makes everything run smoothly. Screaming shit like "LUST" or "AMBER" in the middle of the fight doesn't help anybody if they don't know what the fuck they need to be looking for. 25 mans have all kinds of bright glowy shit flying all over the screen are regular intervals. You can't tell me with a straight face that you don't see people getting shit on LFR for not knowing things. You just did that on this forum. Why do you think some people don't ask for help? They don't want to get told they're stupid noobs or treated like shit because they didn't know about one mechanic. It's ridiculous the population in wow treats people that way.

Bottom line, we appear to be in two different camps here. You think people should come prepared. That's fine. In a perfect world, every one would come prepared. In my experience that's just now how life works, for god damn near anything. I see it as "you can bitch about it, or try and help keep things moving." That's how I see it, and that's what I do when I'm in LFR. I help keep things moving by trying to let the people who don't know what to do feel okay by asking.

 

[Jag]

Those same people that the tank says in raid chat 'lust' and no one lusts. Says it in /say and no one lusts. Says it in RW and no one lusts

That's the reason I started bringing my Corehound to LFR. Quillen too. Brez and Lust all around!

 

[Salamando]

Oh boy. An LFR discussion. The one thing I'm sure of - you can't generalize everyone as either just new or just lazy. You get a lot of both. And a fair bit of people who are just malicious.

I vaguely remember getting a notice upon death detailing why I died during Garrosh. Said something like "Closer you are to Garrosh during whirling corruption, the more damage you take. Run away from him to take less damage". Has anyone seen that happen for other bosses?

 

[Anoregon]

Cool thanks. I do wanna do it, new to the game so would like to see what it's like and hopefully get some "slightly" better gear. And I assume there is a boss or two which I would like to vs.

I will wait for my friend to come online tomorrow to carry me through.

Suppose I could just abandon it and use dungeon finder.

I'd high recommend the dungeon finder while leveling. Very low chance of failure, most of the quest NPC's are actually in their respective instances, and you don't have to worry about traveling around the world to get to the dungeons.

Also, at level 20 you will get a quest from your class trainer in your main city (org/stormwind) for a quest in Shadowfang keep that will reward you with a very nice weapon, so be on the look out for that. Basically as soon as you hit 20 you should go to the city, get the quest, and use dungeon finder to queue for SFK.

 

[Tacitus_]

Bottom line, we appear to be in two different camps here. You think people should come prepared. That's fine. In a perfect world, every one would come prepared. In my experience that's just now how life works, for god damn near anything. I see it as "you can bitch about it, or try and help keep things moving." That's how I see it, and that's what I do when I'm in LFR. I help keep things moving by trying to let the people who don't know what to do feel okay by asking.

The thing is, you can be prepared just by leafing over the Dungeon Journal. But for your average LFR goer, even not standing in the fire seems to strain their mental faculties.

 

[RoninChaos]

The thing is, you can be prepared just by leafing over the Dungeon Journal. But for your average LFR goer, even not standing in the fire seems to strain their mental faculties.

No doubt there are stupid people. But I don't think they make up the entire populace. The LFRs I've run go relatively smooth when I tank because I ask people if they don't know anything. Of course, it helps that I'm a tank asking. If I was DPS, people would just pull anyway and fuck the raid. At least when the tank asks if anybody needs to know anything most people will stop or slow the fuck down and wait.

 

[Orochinagis]

Oh boy. An LFR discussion. The one thing I'm sure of - you can't generalize everyone as either just new or just lazy. You get a lot of both. And a fair bit of people who are just malicious.

I vaguely remember getting a notice upon death detailing why I died during Garrosh. Said something like "Closer you are to Garrosh during whirling corruption, the more damage you take. Run away from him to take less damage". Has anyone seen that happen for other bosses?

I only see it on the scarlet halls with Armsmaster Harlan

When you die on the boss whirlwind It says something like this " You died because you were trapped on the boss whirlwind try to avoid it next time"