There is only one Twisting Nether that connects all of these different timelines. Yes, it is very illogical.
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Brawndo Addict
Banned
Huh. So that's...uh...yeah. I cannot imagine a more logically incomprehensible explanation. So there's one Mannoroth who can exist simultaneously in all universes and times? Does he have knowledge of all the things that have happened to him, i.e., he knows that one version of Grom ends up "killing" him? Why would the Legion even care about a specific universe's Azeroth when they can just invade another version and know exactly what to do in order to succeed? It would be as if they were prescient, let's kill Thrall/Jaina/Malfurion/etc to prevent our defeat this time.
Sometimes it's better to just admit things are a conceit and leave it at that. I wonder if there's one version of the old gods and Titans now too. No wonder Sargeras went mad, the very idea of being a Titan responsible for "bringing order" to an infinite number of universes would drive me insane too.
God the more I think about this the less it makes any sense whatsoever. Archimonde was not originally a demon who 'respawned' in the Twisting Nether, so does that mean Sargeras can make normal beings into immortal demonic beings that transcend time and space? Does the act of doing so wipe out all the pre-demon Archimondes in existence? Or could Sargeras simply corrupt and send an infinite number of Archimonde's to the twisting nether? What about the Nathrezim who are naturally demons? Do they just hail from a region of space/time that, like the Twisting Nether, is "immune" to multiverse shenanigans?
It was so much better when the Twisting Nether (and its denizens) was more of an astral plane or dimension, similar to the Elemental Planes and Lords or the Emerald Dream. Beings from them are immortal unless killed in their home 'realm', I can get behind that, the whole transcending multiverse stuff just eats itself silly.
It was only put out by Blizzard in a tweet recently. There was nothing that elaborated on just how it worked. They can or may retcon it. They have not provided another explination for how WoD is set up though.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Alliance DK now 91 and has the garrison unlocked. Dear lord I am so lost in SMV/Stormshield/Lunarfall at this point.
Dreading acquiring enough gold/garrison resources to upgrade the garrison. Might end up buying a token to have a workable amount of gold on the realm. Or try and transfer via more battle pets I suppose (Crawling Claw? Hatespark?)
And TIL where the Alliance garrison is actually located. I always thought it was in the south east corner before for some reason.
Dreading acquiring enough gold/garrison resources to upgrade the garrison. Might end up buying a token to have a workable amount of gold on the realm. Or try and transfer via more battle pets I suppose (Crawling Claw? Hatespark?)
And TIL where the Alliance garrison is actually located. I always thought it was in the south east corner before for some reason.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
You're overthinking it. This isn't a cohesive well-thought out narrative that will have build up and payoff. This is an excuse to resurrect a ton of characters that are gonna be in the movie so people can look at them and say "Hey I recognize that guy!" when they see the movie or buy the game after seeing the movie.
There is no alternate Azeroth and AU-Medivh, until they are connected Azeroth and Draenor exist in different 'realities' anyway.
JSoup
Banned
Because the Legions shtick is "burn all the things".
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
I think the big Azeroth macguffin is gonna end up being the well of eternity and/or the old gods.
It doesn't make sense why the legion keeps coming back to azeroth, and why azeroth is so special besides those two things.
They've gone out of their way to clarify or retcon that the well of eternity is still there and still has a part to play (even though we went to the maelstrom and it wasn't there anymore)
I think i remember seeing it hinted that it's somehow under the ocean now? But I really don't get how they would tie in Nazjatar to an expansion anymore after cataclysm.
I dunno. The story has been shit for me since Cataclysm, since they just don't seem to be interested in advancing the story in any meaningful way because they're scared of upsetting players. Now they especially don't care, and you can tell because they haven't released a book or anything for this expansion. It's just themes and story thought up in a lunch meeting to have the setting and characters. They're obviously invested in Overwatch now.
It doesn't make sense why the legion keeps coming back to azeroth, and why azeroth is so special besides those two things.
They've gone out of their way to clarify or retcon that the well of eternity is still there and still has a part to play (even though we went to the maelstrom and it wasn't there anymore)
I think i remember seeing it hinted that it's somehow under the ocean now? But I really don't get how they would tie in Nazjatar to an expansion anymore after cataclysm.
I dunno. The story has been shit for me since Cataclysm, since they just don't seem to be interested in advancing the story in any meaningful way because they're scared of upsetting players. Now they especially don't care, and you can tell because they haven't released a book or anything for this expansion. It's just themes and story thought up in a lunch meeting to have the setting and characters. They're obviously invested in Overwatch now.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
One theory I heard awhile back was that the world Azeroth was like (an egg for?) a baby titan. Which is why the titans have been haven't completely purged it, even with the presence of the old gods as it's too valuable.
They're just misunderstood druids.
TheContact
Member
Canceled my account today. I don't have time to schedule rated bgs and can't win ashran/random bgs enough as horde to get the honor to have the gear to compete. Yesterday for the first time in weeks I was able to win at least one battleground and it was because we had a half premade. Alliance is on this perpetual win streak and because of that are able to gear up and win. I know I'm QQing but every BG I sort by killing blows done and it's always stacked blue. The only thing I like left in this game was doing BGs and it's not fun for me anymore and I don't have the time to level an alliance toon to 100 and don't want to pay $40 to transfer
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Alliance garrison looks nice, but lacks the raw utility of the Horde garrison.
Huh? I dunno man - I HATE the Horde Garrison.
King Gilga
Member
Stoneform & EMFH were too good, so all the good PvP players went Alliance, and all the not-so-good but better than most players joined them. It's something ridiculous now like 98% of 3v3 teams over 2.2k are Alliance...
(My Horde Warrior has something like an 80% BG win rate, but I've not done PvP on her since Cata).
I find it so ludicrously ironic how historically people complained about the disparity over racials, which was largely overblown and only really mattered for a fraction of the most hardcore playerbase. And then they revamped the racials to balance them out, mostly by homogenizing the crap out of everything, save for that human racials which caused heavier ingame repercusions than anything before it.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
I personally think that it truly isn't imbalanced, so much as anyone who knows what they're doing at all just transferred to alliance.
Obviously EMFH is OP, but I don't think it's THAT OP.
They homogenized the wrong things. Unique class abilities were fine, but game changing racials just needed to go. Nowadays I struggle to tell some classes apart. Every class has a kick/pummel... Why?!?!
WoW barely qualifies as an MMORPG anymore.
Interrupts are a necessary and interesting mechanic in dungeons.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i feel like they arent investing in the story of warlords of Draenor because its basically only for the benefit of the game "experience" to play on an actual Draenor rather than something that is important for the lore.
no idea why they thought it was a good idea to have it like that other than needing some "extra time" to work on the next expansion from a lore/game standpoint.
The next expansion is going to be interesting simply because we'll see where they are going to go next and what future expansions might be -- no one has been clamoring for an updated Northrend like people were for Outland (which ended up being Draenor) so i can't imagine it being an updated Northrend/Lich King.
i suppose Well of Eternity seems like the most likely thing at this point. Maybe the Maelstrom stops or something stupid like that and then we get Kul Tiras, access to the Goblin area, all of the other stuff in the middle of the ocean we didn't have before.
The Blingtron encoded message stuff sort of eludes to some other odd stuff.
i never heard anything about a "baby titan" even being a thing at all. I thought all of the Titans operated out of the Pantheon and i don't remember anything about them propagating. I thought there were just an unknown set amount of them.
the Old Gods storyline definitely seems like something that has to come back, and how they interact with the Burning Legion, if they do at all, is an interesting thing to consider.
Doesn't mean we need to give every class a kick, every class a self heal, stealth to hunters/priests, etc. Classes don't feel as unique as they did back during vanilla/TBC, but I guess it's just part of Blizzard's "bring the player, not the class" philosophy. It's just a shame it's come at the cost of class uniqueness.
Speaking of characters, I've never given any less of a shit about my alts than I do right now. I felt attached to my alts, especially during TBC, but now they're just throwaway toons that I don't need to put any effort into to get high level professions & max level.
JSoup
Banned
It shows the difference in philosophy between the two factions.
Horde garrison still has a lot of the original land shape there and the building placement feels more like a "what do we need right now" feel to it.
Alliance garrison shows signs of flattening the land for buildings and effects, feels more like a small industrial-type town. There are even NPCs that compliment you on making such a lovely settlement.
Blingtron encoded message stuff is fascinating because I don't really understand the purpose of it. Seems really weird to just be some one off easter egg type thing but at the same time I don't really see us getting a badass underground mech expansion even though that could be pretty cool.
But yeah, I don't really spend much time thinking about the story for Warlords. Pretty obvious they didn't even bother trying with it. Finished the new garrison campaign last week and it was as absolutely awful as the first one. Actually it might have been worse, at least the first one made sense before they decided to scrap that entire storyline, new one was just some more random bullshit that came out of no where.
Hopefully the next expansion someone will give a shit again, I want them to go back to the great stuff they were doing in MoP with actually creating new and interesting characters while shining a spotlight on people who hadn't done jack shit before like Lor'themar.
This video is mostly correct, but a bit off.
They've said they have the newest information on Hearthstone, Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, StarCraft 2, and World of Warcraft there. Diablo 3, if it's getting another expansion pack, would seem to not be getting revealed yet. However, the press conference is going to cover all five titles (I'll go out on a limb here and say more Hearthstone cards, several new Overwatch heroes, the next StarCraft related event for Heroes, and the new co-op mode for StarCraft 2), but it's pretty obvious they have a major announcement tied this this event as well, which if we look at the above line-up, has to be a WoW expac.
And yes the 500 demo stations isn't just "more than they've ever had before", but actively hundreds more than even EA had when they had their biggest (in terms of relevance) line-up ever.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
Here we go: the beta servers have been pushed to 7.0.0
EDIT: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1821910-Beta-Servers-Up/page34?p=35080383#post35080383
Boub has issued his own statement claiming the screenshot could be fake without more evidence, who knows.
Hold on to your butts: August 5th here we come!
EDIT: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1821910-Beta-Servers-Up/page34?p=35080383#post35080383
Boub has issued his own statement claiming the screenshot could be fake without more evidence, who knows.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
like omg i know everything about the new wow expansion, all you have to do is go to my web site right now
your screenshot didnt work anyway, couldn't see it
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
like omg i know everything about the new wow expansion, all you have to do is go to my web site right now
your screenshot didnt work anyway, couldn't see it
I went to your website and all I got was a lousy duck.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i'm hoping the joke delivered and you're satisfied rather than disappointed
With Photoshop.
Kinda mysterious, I'm liking the sound of this already since the name doesn't immediately give away what it would be (assuming it turns out to be anything).
It's definitely a valid point, but the trademark adds credence to the leak.
Me'dan as hero? Oh god, please no.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I don't want to believe. Also, Blizzard has sort of all but admitted he is a dogshit character that they have no interest in incorporating into the actual game lore.
"Council of Glades" doesn't really have the... oomph that WoW expansion names tend to have (barring Mists, I guess) so I remain pretty skeptical. Even Mists brought a specific place/theme to mind, Council of Glades does not.
edit: btw, the thread on general about gamescom/expansion speculation is fun too
And voiced by Chris Metzen, of course.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
As soon as Med'an gets added to the game, all the wrathion/aduin shippers (there are too many of them) will have a field day with the potential for a love triangle.
Fucking shippers, man.
Fucking shippers, man.
Sax Russel
Banned
Anytime I see a "leak" mention demon hunters I know I can immediately dismiss it.
Khadgar with Atiesh.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I wouldn't be that surprised, really. All "Hero Class" means is that the class starts higher than level one due to lore reasons and has a class-specific starting experience. I could see that making sense for Demon Hunters, if they do add a class like that.
He's uhh borrowing it. I didn't know Med'an was supposed to have it though, so the more they ignore his ass the better.