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[CassSept]

Ok then, at least change the name to shadowstalker or something.

Shadowstalkers are already a thing in Warcraft too

Demon hunters have a long and established history in Warcraft lore and people were expecting them to come one day to WoW since vanilla. Illidan was a demon hunter and there is a lot of demon hunters in Outland. They are far more ingrained in Warcraft than in Diablo.

 

[Shahadan]

"Demon hunter is from Diablo 3" is gonna be the new "Omg blizzard is copying kung fu panda" isn't it?

 

[Tacitus_]

Got this from my mythic dungeon quest box

BiS offset until Mythic Kilrog I believe.

 

[ampere]

It'd be kinda cool if we went to Argus

"Demon hunter is from Diablo 3" is gonna be the new "Omg blizzard is copying kung fu panda" isn't it?

Demon Hunter was a hero class in WC3, but so was Pandaren Brewmaster and people did go off like that... so maybe.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Got this from my mythic dungeon quest box

BiS offset until Mythic Kilrog I believe.

As an AS Shadow Priest I would like to strangle you

 

[Sax Russel]

My hunter got 705 haste/mastery legs that are a straight up downgrade over the empowered baleful item she's wearing.

Still, can't complain too much about how easy it was, thanks Everbloom!

 

[CassSept]

"Demon hunter is from Diablo 3" is gonna be the new "Omg blizzard is copying kung fu panda" isn't it?

Ah crap I managed to mostly forget about it. That was so obnoxious and utterly dumb.

 

[Jag]

Is Alchemy currently the worst profession? I was looking to make a healing potion and see that they are through first aid now?? My main has been Alch since Vanilla, but I think I may drop it. It really seems like Alch got the shaft in WoD. I don't raid, so no need for flasks.

 

[Peachpies]

Is Alchemy currently the worst profession? I was looking to make a healing potion and see that they are through first aid now?? My main has been Alch since Vanilla, but I think I may drop it. It really seems like Alch got the shaft in WoD. I don't raid, so no need for flasks.

Alchemy is good because you get the 2 hour flask duration. Most professions are pretty lackluster unless you need to craft a particular item.

 

[Tacitus_]

Is Alchemy currently the worst profession? I was looking to make a healing potion and see that they are through first aid now?? My main has been Alch since Vanilla, but I think I may drop it. It really seems like Alch got the shaft in WoD. I don't raid, so no need for flasks.

You can make a comfortable amount of money from your herb garden with alchemy and making the buff potions.

 

[Entropia]

Ok then, at least change the name to shadowstalker or something.

Could call them Shadow-hunter. That was my rational for including Troll as a possible race for the class; http://wowwiki.wikia.com/Shadow_hunter

However, I think Demon Hunter is a bit more iconic to WoW given that was the class of one of it's main characters in Warcraft 3. That, and if all the rumours are true, there'll be a big focus on the Legion, Naga, Azshara, etc. it'd be the most appropriate name.

 

[strafer]

CECIL!

 

[Acosta]

Thinking about the "make WoW 2" feelings, I can sympathize.

Being honest, what I would really want is a time machine and a memory eraser, but I think that would be hard for Blizzard to achieve. I miss that feeling of exploring the world and not being aware how big it was, what secrets lay ahead. I have not experienced anything closer to the feeling of entering Feralas or Tanaris.

Expansions are nice but I feel the space they add to the game is limited. Like the original game was this whole, mysterious and big world and the expansions is just a fraction of it, even if they are beautiful and masterful crafted.

I would have liked the idea of Blizzard trying to surpass themselves with something bigger and better than WoW, but that's probably a fantasy under the wish to recover the feelings of my first months with the game.

Dunno, I'm exited anyway, hope we get a good chunk of info, and I hope for some good changes in classes, progression and a new class, I feel we need that, or something that shake the actual class system.. I'm soloing old content now for nostalgia's sake.

 

[Robin64]

Expansions are nice but I feel the space they add to the game is limited. Like the original game was this whole, mysterious and big world and the expansions is just a fraction of it, even if they are beautiful and masterful crafted.

But also everything is datamined in high detail now, everything on beta servers is public knowledge, there's nothing left unknown before an expansion launches. We go in knowing exactly where everything is. And even a new WoW, or an entirely fresh MMO, would have that treatment this day in age.

It's a bit of a shame as yeah, that unknown horizons feeling of WoW 10 years ago was amazing.

 

[Acosta]

But also everything is datamined in high detail now, everything on beta servers is public knowledge, there's nothing left unknown before an expansion launches. We go in knowing exactly where everything is. And even a new WoW, or an entirely fresh MMO, would have that treatment this day in age.

It's a bit of a shame as yeah, that unknown horizons feeling of WoW 10 years ago was amazing.

Yeah, very true. I guess it can't be helped.

 

[Ashodin]

But also everything is datamined in high detail now, everything on beta servers is public knowledge, there's nothing left unknown before an expansion launches. We go in knowing exactly where everything is. And even a new WoW, or an entirely fresh MMO, would have that treatment this day in age.

It's a bit of a shame as yeah, that unknown horizons feeling of WoW 10 years ago was amazing.

There's still a rush out there; when the info comes in and speculations begin.

 

[Robin64]

There's still a rush out there; when the info comes in and speculations begin.

Sure. But even our first glimpse at Draenor was a mostly complete minimap, offering far more detail than we ever had with Vanilla WoW even years into its life.

 

[Falcker]

I'm in the "make WoW 2" camp for a lot of reasons. I'm not chasing this idea of starting from scratch to recapture some of the "mystery", instead I just think WoW is being weighed down by so many dead systems and mechanic changes over the years that cannot be fixed by slapping new foundations on top of crumbling ones.

WoW 2 would allow them to restructure the world and leveling mechanics to make sense again rather than them band aid fixing it by having you rush through it as fast as possible (1-90 is so pointless they let you pay to skip it).

It would let them be able to reset the economy that has been affected by inflation each and every expansion. Allow them to restructure profession systems which have gotten so out of control they are practically worthless at this point. It would even allow them to take back mechanics as they see fit without having to deal with the outrage of removing already instituted mechanics (class mechanics people are attached to/flying mounts/portal-teleportation systems).

There are a ton of reasons to want to hit the reset buttom to get rid of a lot of dead weight the game can't get rid of through expansion releases.

 

[Granadier]

I do love when there are unsolved mysterious out there to find, but Robin is right. It's no longer something that happens with the amount of information that is available.

 

[Nudull]

It is a shame that a lot of the mystery with MMOs is gone, but what can you do? Technology evolves.

 

[SargerusBR]

It is a shame that a lot of the mystery with MMOs is gone, but what can you do? Technology evolves.

Honestly, that applies to pretty much all games.

 

[Entropia]

It is a shame that a lot of the mystery with MMOs is gone, but what can you do? Technology evolves.

True, but I do like that Blizzard doesn't put things into their dungeon journals, like phase 4 of Archimonde.

 

[ZenaxPure]

So to fuel the speculation/hype machine some more I've been reading through the WoW reddit for fake expansion leaks because they are just too much fun to read even when you know they aren't true. Anyway, I stumbled across this post on reddit which isn't a leak/rumor or anything but is fairly interesting and odd. If you go to either of the exits of Ironmonger's Hold in Tanaan (which is the mine place Pale Orcs have taken over) and try to use a ground or flying mount instead of getting the usual error message of "Can only use outside" you instead get "Floating mounts are not allowed here."

Obviously a weird error message I tried to google the exact phrase and only got 7 results, a few are people who have also seen the message and posted about it but one of the results was a link to one of the wowhead datamining news posts from before Warlords even went into beta which shows a new string added for Floating Mounts alongside a bunch more mount related strings.

Very weird error message that has been hiding in the game files for quite a while now but best I can tell doesn't actually get used anywhere in the game except those 2 cave exits. Mysterious!

 

[Ashodin]

BOATS SON

 

[Granadier]

read that as "Fying" at first, but yeah Ashodin is always right so.....

BOATS

 

[Ashodin]

I just did the garrison shipyard stuff and you know it's probably not a stretch to re-use those boats in the expac

 

[LAUGHTREY]

So to fuel the speculation/hype machine some more I've been reading through the WoW reddit for fake expansion leaks because they are just too much fun to read even when you know they aren't true. Anyway, I stumbled across this post on reddit which isn't a leak/rumor or anything but is fairly interesting and odd. If you go to either of the exits of Ironmonger's Hold in Tanaan (which is the mine place Pale Orcs have taken over) and try to use a ground or flying mount instead of getting the usual error message of "Can only use outside" you instead get "Floating mounts are not allowed here."

Obviously a weird error message I tried to google the exact phrase and only got 7 results, a few are people who have also seen the message and posted about it but one of the results was a link to one of the wowhead datamining news posts from before Warlords even went into beta which shows a new string added for Floating Mounts alongside a bunch more mount related strings.

Very weird error message that has been hiding in the game files for quite a while now but best I can tell doesn't actually get used anywhere in the game except those 2 cave exits. Mysterious!

This kinda reminds me of when there was one tiny little piece of metal decor that accidentally made it's way into the ptr before wod was announced titled 'iron horde'

Googling this also led me to a MMO-Champ thread that is basically. "Next expansion is definitely Burning Legion or South Seas!", back before WoD was announced. It's also one tiny texture file that was true, and a load of other horseshit. Just goes to show that giving any attention to these "leaks" the past month is pointless and we should stop indulging in it.

It's pretty funny how people are so sure what the next expac will be, and it never is that thing.

 

[ZenaxPure]

It's pretty funny how people are so sure what the next expac will be, and it never is that thing.

Yeah I'm not saying that this confirms what the next expansion will be or anything like that, it's just a weird oddity in the game files that popped up in the main game in a very random place (and is no doubt a bug that was overlooked).

Some of the other strings that were added alongside that one (keep in mind this is from Warlords datamining before the closed beta was even out):
SPELL_FAILED_MOUNT_ABOVE_WATER_HERE:: To use this mount in the current area you must be underwater.
SPELL_FAILED_MOUNT_NO_FLOAT_HERE:: To use this mount in the current area you must not be at the water's surface.
SPELL_FAILED_MOUNT_NO_UNDERWATER_HERE:: To use this mount in the current area you must be above water.
SPELL_FAILED_UNDERWATER_MOUNT_NOT_ALLOWED:: Underwater mounts are not allowed here

Are any of those currently used in game for anything? The 2 water mounts (seahorses) give a different error message when used.

 

[Granadier]

I just did the garrison shipyard stuff and you know it's probably not a stretch to re-use those boats in the expac

So long as it's not tied to the garrison itself I'm perfectly fine with that.

 

[Ark]

I just did the garrison shipyard stuff and you know it's probably not a stretch to re-use those boats in the expac

Those boat models are gorgeous. As long as it's not tied to garrison stuff, I'd love to see them return.

Also Tanaan is dope. Getting so much awesome gear for nothing.

 

[vilmer_]

Thinking about the "make WoW 2" feelings, I can sympathize.

Being honest, what I would really want is a time machine and a memory eraser, but I think that would be hard for Blizzard to achieve. I miss that feeling of exploring the world and not being aware how big it was, what secrets lay ahead. I have not experienced anything closer to the feeling of entering Feralas or Tanaris.

Expansions are nice but I feel the space they add to the game is limited. Like the original game was this whole, mysterious and big world and the expansions is just a fraction of it, even if they are beautiful and masterful crafted.

I would have liked the idea of Blizzard trying to surpass themselves with something bigger and better than WoW, but that's probably a fantasy under the wish to recover the feelings of my first months with the game.

Dunno, I'm exited anyway, hope we get a good chunk of info, and I hope for some good changes in classes, progression and a new class, I feel we need that, or something that shake the actual class system.. I'm soloing old content now for nostalgia's sake.

About 5 years ago they were considering a WoW 2 but it never came to fruition. Unless things have suddenly changed recently it's not going to happen. The main focus right now is more along the lines of the 'smaller' teams and games like Hearthstone, Overwatch etc. In fact a large number of the Blizzard veterans from Warcraft, WoW and Starcraft who are still with the company are all working on Overwatch. The WoW team/business (and vision) are totally different nowadays.

 

[RPGCrazied]

CECIL!

Been trying to tame Sambas ever since what happened. But alas nothing, doesn't help this model is the only one in the game besides the alliance mount. I'm sure its camped as hell, even though I saw nobody during my hour search.

 

[Walpurgis]

I haven't played WoW since the beginning of Cataclysm but I am back with the free 7 day thing. I noticed that Illidan has a lot of Chinese players now (not bots, actual players). Going by trade chat, they make up half the population of the server now (at least on Horde) so I am looking for a new PvP server. Where should I go?

 

[LAUGHTREY]

I haven't played WoW since the beginning of Cataclysm but I am back with the free 7 day thing. I noticed that Illidan has a lot of Chinese players now (not bots, actual players). Going by trade chat, they make up half the population of the server now (at least on Horde) so I am looking for a new PvP server. Where should I go?

Stay on Illidan, install BlockChinese.

It's not that much of the population, it's still a good server.

 

[Walpurgis]

Stay on Illidan, install BlockChinese.

It's not that much of the population, it's still a good server.

Okay, thanks.

 

[ampere]

South Seas expac rumors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q7GEi0-JlM

Interesting, but it does feel more likely we're having a legion expac next given what just happened with Gul'dan.

 

[Drake]

So I got a 7 day free trial. I figured what the hell. I'll try it out for a week for free. I haven't played since Wrath. This should be interesting.

 

[Ashodin]

I'm so hyped for the expac I subbed for a month. I just want to mess with the new stuff that's out.

 

[Entropia]

South Seas expac rumors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q7GEi0-JlM

Interesting, but it does feel more likely we're having a legion expac next given what just happened with Gul'dan.

All depends on the direction they want to take it! I mean, there's the possibility the South Seas are a part of the expansion! i.e. Gul'Dan could be going to the Tomb of Sargeras which are on Broken Isles, by the Maelstrom, etc.



EDIT: On second thought - if all that shit was by the Maelstrom wouldn't we have seen it when we were going to Deepholm?? Given the power of some of the people on Azeroth, they are lacking cartographers. WTF Brann Bronzebeard.

 

[Walpurgis]

So I got a 7 day free trial. I figured what the hell. I'll try it out for a week for free. I haven't played since Wrath. This should be interesting.

You probably got Mists of Pandaria for free like I did so you can level to 90 now.

 

[Ashodin]

Islands can be raised from the sea floor bro

 

[JSoup]

Been trying to tame Sambas ever since what happened.

Which was?

 

[CassSept]

So to fuel the speculation/hype machine some more I've been reading through the WoW reddit for fake expansion leaks because they are just too much fun to read even when you know they aren't true. Anyway, I stumbled across this post on reddit which isn't a leak/rumor or anything but is fairly interesting and odd. If you go to either of the exits of Ironmonger's Hold in Tanaan (which is the mine place Pale Orcs have taken over) and try to use a ground or flying mount instead of getting the usual error message of "Can only use outside" you instead get "Floating mounts are not allowed here."

Obviously a weird error message I tried to google the exact phrase and only got 7 results, a few are people who have also seen the message and posted about it but one of the results was a link to one of the wowhead datamining news posts from before Warlords even went into beta which shows a new string added for Floating Mounts alongside a bunch more mount related strings.

Very weird error message that has been hiding in the game files for quite a while now but best I can tell doesn't actually get used anywhere in the game except those 2 cave exits. Mysterious!

In the past they always started adding next expansion stuff in the last major content patch, only never did it come that early before announcement. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some expansion 6 strings/textures already in the game.

South Seas expac rumors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q7GEi0-JlM

Interesting, but it does feel more likely we're having a legion expac next given what just happened with Gul'dan.

Wrathion story in MoP would have perfectly lead into next legion expac but of course they decided to leave it for another time, sigh.

Which was?

Cecil the lion being shot by an American dentist I guess?

 

[ZenaxPure]

Given the power of some of the people on Azeroth, they are lacking cartographers. WTF Brann Bronzebeard.

It's funny you say that because maps/lore for all that stuff exists... And it's written by Brann no less! Problem is what I am talking about is the Warcraft RPG books which in the past few years Blizzard decided to no longer consider canon. They presumably said this because they didn't want to be bogged down by a bunch of old books as they created expansions for WoW (especially because of TBC where they retconned like 90% of the Draenor/Outland lore).

But the reason I bring all this is up is because despite the fact those books are no longer canon technically, Blizzard still uses them when creating the game. In fact a ridiculous amount of details from nearly every expansion can be found in the various RPG guide-books (even Mists of Pandaria stuff). In the Land of Mystery RPG book there is a whole chapter about the South Seas (in fact the South Seas map from that book has been posted a lot over the years in our various WoW OTs) so the info is out there if you want to seek it out and look at it.

If you are curious why I recommend it despite the fact that it is no longer technically canon I want to point out that this same book has a chapter about Northrend with a map sketched out that includes every zone and major location we saw in Wotlk except for Wintergrasp (which in the book is listed as a lake not a landmass) and the kicker? This book came out in early 2006 so it was probably being written/drawn as far back as 2005.

Bit of a tangent so I apologize but those RPG books are actually what got me interested in the lore back in the day so I've always found it amusing how much Blizzard pulls from them to use in WoW itself. There are a crazy amount of examples.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

It's funny you say that because maps/lore for all that stuff exists... And it's written by Brann no less! Problem is what I am talking about is the Warcraft RPG books which in the past few years Blizzard decided to no longer consider canon. They presumably said this because they didn't want to be bogged down by a bunch of old books as they created expansions for WoW (especially because of TBC where they retconned like 90% of the Draenor/Outland lore).

But the reason I bring all this is up is because despite the fact those books are no longer canon technically, Blizzard still uses them when creating the game. In fact a ridiculous amount of details from nearly every expansion can be found in the various RPG guide-books (even Mists of Pandaria stuff). In the Land of Mystery RPG book there is a whole chapter about the South Seas (in fact the South Seas map from that book has been posted a lot over the years in our various WoW OTs) so the info is out there if you want to seek it out and look at it.

If you are curious why I recommend it despite the fact that it is no longer technically canon I want to point out that this same book has a chapter about Northrend with a map sketched out that includes every zone and major location we saw in Wotlk except for Wintergrasp (which in the book is listed as a lake not a landmass) and the kicker? This book came out in early 2006 so it was probably being written/drawn as far back as 2005.

Bit of a tangent so I apologize but those RPG books are actually what got me interested in the lore back in the day so I've always found it amusing how much Blizzard pulls from them to use in WoW itself. There are a crazy amount of examples.

Well, much earlier than that. The Frozen Throne had the Northrend map laid out since it's release in 2003.

Much of WoW's map lines up pretty great with the WC1-3 maps actually, considering the scale and shapes, I think they did a great job and it came out really well considering they were following a map never meant to be used as a MMO world.

 

[SargerusBR]

Fake or real?

 

[Thoraxes]

Man, I have no idea what the next one will be, but I do know that I will be there for the first three months, like always.

It's a good time.

 

[ZenaxPure]

Well, much earlier than that. The Frozen Throne had the Northrend map laid out since it's release in 2003.

I'm going to need to see said map listing all the zones (and stuff like Ulduar) then. Because I can't recall/find a single map before the one I linked that gave us a Wrath of the lich king style map for Northrend. All the WC3 maps used a different shaped Northrend than the one we actually see in WoW.

Fake or real?

I can't even tell what the heck is going on in this picture lol.

 

[Data West]

i have one request of this expansion


give me my caster mobility back

 

[CassSept]

Is this supposed to be the new alliance race or something?

I mean, the quest and items looted seem to be something that's not in the game, but it doesn't tell us anything.