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World of Warcraft |OT8| CITIZENS OF DALARAN
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I mean by all means, Affliction is weak and Demonology has ramp up time on top of ramp up time. But Destruction's still solid and flexible, as it tends to be. And survivability certainly isn't an issue.
Some dungeons, World Quests, Order Hall set (the first 3 items you get pretty fast and they can be upgraded to 830) and... well, we entered the first few heroics on foot because our itemlevel was too low. xD
neurosisxeno
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Looks like Noxxic is in the process of updating their projections. Assassination dropped from 1st to 6th
My guess for Arcane is that they were modeling a core ability wrong. It was at sub-90k dps and now projected at 275k. Either they just weren't factoring in artifact abilities, or they had a fundamental flaw with their model.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
DH is hands down the best dungeon runner now. Between the extreme speed even on Tank spec to the ability to bypass entire areas or use shortcuts only rockets and/or double jump/glide/aerial charge can get.
I hope that Blizzard finds some way to fix the Underbelly so that it's possible to fish down there. There is literally someone inviting 40 man raids from other servers to farm people in every corner of the Underbelly on my low pop server. I hope they die in a fire. That is the sort of behavior that should be banned, because they are exploiting a flaw in the system that makes the guards completely ineffective yet Blizzard is doing absolutely jack fucking squat about it.
What you're saying is completely true, but the disparity between what is good and what is bad is pretty staggering. The specs that don't see finely tuned sims are ignored for a reason, because who wants to do the work and go, "Oh, Frost DK is still abysmal."
Noxxic is not even worth paying attention to. Assassination dropped a long time ago after a nerf well before Legion was out.Looks like Noxxic is in the process of updating their projections. Assassination dropped from 1st to 6th
Brawndo Addict
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Anyone with mining just never getting the Ruth items to spawn? I seemed to get the felslate items to drop almost immediately after getting rank 1, but I've yet to get the leystone equivalents for rank 2.
neurosisxeno
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I use them as the vaguest of guidelines. Basically anything in the top half is okay and everything in the bottom half is meh. They are the only consolidated source for this kind of thing though. If you want numbers you either have to download simcraft and run it yourself, or pick through various forums dedicated to each class--and even then there is quite a bit of variance.
I sorta wish Blizzard would at least comment on specs like Frost. Even... "we're seeing Frost perform better than players are saying, look out for using x more or w/e". Kinda like when Brewmasters flipped a shit during alpha when they said we were "great" and Celestalon had to go over how the spec was supposed to work.
Maybe players aren't figuring Frost out properly (which would surprise me, it seems simple?), and if that's the case Blizzard should probably step in. Or buff the spec if it's just bad, which they may in coming weeks
Log analysis is best, but there aren't any raid logs yet. Could still check dungeon logs
Demo has ramp up time but even when its ramped up, it's not that strong
and it would basically require every fight to be patchwerk because demo have ZERO mobility and they need to be constantly casting
1. Your gear switches stats based on your spec, since the old way (the more intuitive way honestly) required healers and tanks to maintain tons of extra gear just for the 'pleasure' of being able to do things like quest effectively. They realized this sucked for those thankless jobs.
2. Dungeons are great xp, but you're right that people will blow through them. Welcome to a 12 year old game. Etiquette is mostly just don't be a douche, don't pull extra mobs, ask if you have questions rather than just not giving a shit and doing something bad. You almost surely can't wipe the group in anything below level 80 or 90 at this point, because the rest of the group is overpowered as fuck in heirlooms and knows the dungeon by heart. I mean, they're fun, but not in the traditional dungeon-y way, it's just way too far past the point when anyone cares about low level dungeons for it to give you that experience, that said the actual XP is still good and worth doing most of them once for quests at least, but it's not a real representation of actual dungeons. FF14 max level dungeons are about right for max level wow dungeons.
3. keeping 2 specs is pretty easy. Artifact weapons this expansion make it a bit different, but in general it's just weapons/trinkets you really look out for gearwise that are totally different. You might value different stats differently, but if you're just talking aboug 5 mans or doing quests it makes 0 difference. In terms of raiding, you'll be behind in one while progressing but it's easy to eventually be strong in everything if your guild will hook you up with the spare loot.
4. Oh. I addressed this in 2.
RE: Frost DKs. The problem is that Blizz and the high end DK theorycraft community have been masturbatory about Unholy for years, and frost has been the red-headed stepchild since sometime during Cataclysm. Not much else to it, they refuse to understand how long it's been since that spec was even viable and it's frankly pathetic. Not everyone gives a shit about Unholy's class fantasy. But everyone that matters does, so GG. Frost is not remotely as bad as it looks, but it's still not worth being that guy and playing it, because unholy is just extremely versatile and has no real weakness.
Sounds about right. Our DK just lays D&D and Scourge Strikes and people can't compete with him on AoE, and single target CDs are strong as hell too. Doesn't hurt that he got the 10% ghoul rune reset legendary ring the other day
Do not. They don't intend to make it worth holding on to items.
It's spotty. I've gotten a lot of gear upgrades from world quests, including an 840 Mythic Agility trinket. What you might want to do is since you can save up to 3 slots for your Class Emissary dailies, just do one of the zones that gives you something useful and wait for tomorrow's quest reset.
It's still so early in the expansion, too. It seems like it will be quite easy to get gear that is well tuned for your spec plus a good set of off spec stuff. Right now I'm swimming in Crit and Mastery which is great for my Resto off-spec, but I'm in search of pieces to bring up my Haste to where it needs to be for Enhancement. For now I'm using Ancestral Swiftness instead of Hailstorm to help with the scaling and I've been happy as a clam with the results.
Yup. It's such a shame really, I personally never cared for Unholy. I loved 2H Frost though back in WotLK. I said it before but at this point why not re-purpose Frost as a second tank spec. Priest has 2 healing specs and since Frost has nearly always under performed in the DPS department since cata as you said just make them tanks. Like it fits the class being these immortal knights that can take a beating, apart from Unholy who uses undead minions to compensate.
Just make Frost the pro-active tank and Blood the reactive tank.
edit: failed a 98% class hall mission, here's to another 12 hours -.-'.
Orochinagis
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Oh, found a lesbian couple in Aszuna, quite surprised actually
Speaking of the sewers, I wasn't even understanding why I was insta-dying down in there initially. I saw some named and people attacking it, so I joined in from range with my hunter and then out of nowhere I was dead. By my second death I thought maybe I entered one part of the sewers which flagged me or something as I remember old Dalaran sewers had some PvP part to them (and the whole thing looks a bit suspicious), so I went online to look and learned the sewers are a FFA PvP zone which flags you when named pops or some such? Not what I'd call the smartest decision as a PvE player on a PvE realm (plus people's names still looked blue to me so it didn't even look like people were flagged).
Did they put FFA PvP zones in every new area btw? I was going through Stormheim and I was about to enter into another PvP FFA zone.
Orochinagis
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Hit 110 finally, should I go to highmountain or go directly to Suramar?
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Do just enough of Highmoutain to get friendly for now, then rush Suramar ASAP to unlock world quests.
The emissary quests give 1500 rep per, which is one of the fastest ways to get through the suramar rep grind.
Incidentally, I've done all the suramar quests I can, and outside of failing withered training twice (which is a loss of like 700 or so rep), I'm super behind my buddies who all hit 110 day one. I know there was a suramar emissary quest I missed, but are there any other big things, outside of doing blue dragon quests, that I may have also missed?
I did all the leylines, and all the portals I can.
I get that it's doled out to leave SOMETHING for once everyone is just bored and grinding artifact power, but the rep gained per questing is pretty pitiful.
fuck that, they've truly failed if suddenly the only way to dps on a DK is as a pet class. The pet isn't a hassle to control or anything, but it's not what many people enjoy about DKs. They don't have to change anything but make Frost 'good' once in a while. One spec is always going to be better. or make UH better at single target but have anemic cleave or something, that's how it was in Dragon Soul - UH was the 'good' spec, but frost was superior for progression on the two last bosses due to how the spec functioned. That was a good judge of who actually knew their class.
Maybe you'd have a point if it were a rep 'grind' but...what are you grinding? There's literally nothing to grind. It's gated, but it's not grindy in the least. You complain an awful lot about truly trivial shit, to be perfectly honest. For example:
Sorry? If you can't learn anything from failure, you're destined to fail again. It's just like the treasure room in throne of thunder - a scenario that involves actual skill and adaptation and that you can improve at every time you do it. Or you can watch a guide or something, but that's on you. Does the spy guy suck the first time? absolutely, but he's easily handled also, it's a scenario that rewards critical thinking and observation. If you could spam it, that would probably diminish how much learning you bothered to do instead of just bashing your face into it (also, THEN it would actually be a grind, but since you can't, it's not).
They tell you to get honored, and then the quests to actually GET rep, mysteriously stop existing.
And there's not much I can do as a shadow priest to kill the guy that literally two shots me. And has stealth. And spawns randomly. But I guess that's my problem. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯NumberThree
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I don't know what "real" content is even supposed to be.
Orochinagis
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Next step of the enchanment quest like what? I need to go to three dungeons now?
Are people really surprised that there is grinding and timesink/gating in an MMO? Maybe my expectations are out of whack but as far as I'm aware that's always come with the territory. And honestly, Suramar/Class Hall are far from egregious examples, WoW itself has had much worst.
You can get decent rewards and power up your withered from the areas well before he even shows up. Obviously the further you can go the better, but it's okay to do smaller runs that power up your army with the easily attainable chests in the first few rooms.They tell you to get honored, and then the quests to actually GET rep, mysteriously stop existing.
And there's not much I can do as a shadow priest to kill the guy that literally two shots me. And has stealth. And spawns randomly. But I guess that's my problem. ¯\_(ツ
NotMyUsername
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So, worst quest this expansion is "Mounting Made Easy" for Leatherworking, right? That was extremely frustrating.
I was staying away from the thread for the last week except to poke in-and-out occasionally so I wouldn't have too many things spoiled as I went in fairly fresh. But I'm 110 now, been doing World Quests, and generally chugging along nicely.
I'm curious what thoughts are on the dungeons so far. Is there a unanimous favorite and least favorite? I've done four of the eight in Normal mode and three I liked just fine (Hall of Valor, Eye of Azshara, and Maw of Souls) but one I thought was a steaming turd (Darkheart Thicket, or whatever it's called). I look forward to moving to heroic versions as I prefer mechanics to matter and on normal sloppiness hasn't been punished much and people just ignore the actual mechanics.
I had a good time taking my 110 through a couple MoP raids to try for those mounts. But it wore me out enough with everything this week I couldn't bother taking my two alts through the normal level 100 raids I ran for mounts except for a couple quick Malygos kills. The rotation each week for mounts has definitely jumped up but it'll also mean I'll make some extra gold. That's not a bad thing.
I was staying away from the thread for the last week except to poke in-and-out occasionally so I wouldn't have too many things spoiled as I went in fairly fresh. But I'm 110 now, been doing World Quests, and generally chugging along nicely.
I'm curious what thoughts are on the dungeons so far. Is there a unanimous favorite and least favorite? I've done four of the eight in Normal mode and three I liked just fine (Hall of Valor, Eye of Azshara, and Maw of Souls) but one I thought was a steaming turd (Darkheart Thicket, or whatever it's called). I look forward to moving to heroic versions as I prefer mechanics to matter and on normal sloppiness hasn't been punished much and people just ignore the actual mechanics.
I had a good time taking my 110 through a couple MoP raids to try for those mounts. But it wore me out enough with everything this week I couldn't bother taking my two alts through the normal level 100 raids I ran for mounts except for a couple quick Malygos kills. The rotation each week for mounts has definitely jumped up but it'll also mean I'll make some extra gold. That's not a bad thing.
This is what I've always wondered too. Suramar has a cool story and shit ton of different quests. If you hate gating and grinding so much MMOs probably aren't for you.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Yes I finished it today. It's a sadistic quest made me want to quit life a few times
Orochinagis
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Oh, the suramar lady have a mana meter, it decrease with real time or just story progression?
Real time. When it runs out you cannot interact with the NPC, but getting them back up again is easy reputation.
I was wrecked last night but after trying a bit of holy pali (well doing the art quest) in my quest to find a alt, I tried unholy DK. Better quest for sure, I liked the stuff with the dark riders, except that it apparently its the same as affliction lock and boomkin? oh well.
Apocalypse look cool but strangely small, maybe its a worgen thing, I think they have weird scaling with weapons tbh. The skill being 1.5min cooldown threw me for a loop as I could sware I saw it was 45secs before. Overall, im not sure im feeling it either. I know just the art quests arent enough for a "feel", but they kinda are tbh, at least so you know if this is something you see yourself playing.
I also did one more suramar chain in the fel demon area, and that wowhead guide continues to be great
Apocalypse look cool but strangely small, maybe its a worgen thing, I think they have weird scaling with weapons tbh. The skill being 1.5min cooldown threw me for a loop as I could sware I saw it was 45secs before. Overall, im not sure im feeling it either. I know just the art quests arent enough for a "feel", but they kinda are tbh, at least so you know if this is something you see yourself playing.
I also did one more suramar chain in the fel demon area, and that wowhead guide continues to be great
Orochinagis
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OMG.....I still need to start High mountain,do my class quests, do my professions quests and do some friy chicken tomorrow
NotMyUsername
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After dying several times on the waterfall portion alone I finally looked up information to see people say you're essentially required to be using Fighter Chow. So I ran off to fish the mats for that and was able to continue but that's steaming hot poop. I was grumpy once I got dismounted by an enemy because I was stubborn and didn't want to make the item that makes it so you can't get dismounted but once I did that it got a little better but there were still too many trial and error areas where the rope would break and there was nothing that could be done about it.
Ugh.
As a Frost DK main, no thanks. Knowing Blizz Frost would just be the inferior tank spec then anyway.
Unholy artifact ability is actually really awesome. Basically you build preferably full stack of 8 Festering Wounds on the target and then pop Apocalypse. With the Bursting Sores talent all the wounds you pop do massive AoE damage, do even more damage to main target, summon zombies, and give you runic power. It literally makes trash packs explode when doing world content.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I should be gearing my main but I'm just playing my alts. What's wrong with me?