Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Ooh thought you meant balance druid lol...
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Ooh thought you meant balance druid lol...
Yeah they really dropped the ball on balancing in beta. The thing is with artifacts being a real commitment, balance needed to be relatively close coming out of launch. It's well known that people generally roll what they feel is strong from patch to patch. So everyone just dumps their AP in that to start and commits. One patch you'll see entirely demo locks, then another entirely afflic, so on and so forth.
This cycle can't really happen in legion as specs are much more of a commitment than before, so the balance needed to be within decent margins. I wouldn't call a 60% single target and 300% AoE lowest to highest range decent margins lol. As a result, I feel like there are some specs that are simply nonexistant simply because one particular spec in the class trumps the rest.
Meanwhile, I'm also sitting here with a bank full of AP week after week waiting to see if they are going to bring up Fury's single target damage to at least mediocre. Waiting to see if I should even bother leveling my frost DK and putting a bunch of hours into another character if the damage is at least OK and not absolutely terrible.
Oh, no...RIP to those guys.
DH only have 2 defensive abilities. I find their single target damage good depending on the fight. Their AOE is off the charts of course. I always thought the plan for DH was a glass canon melee. So if they nerf their damage to much I wouldn't mind seeing a buff to their survive ability.
RPGCrazied
Member
Okay. And I just finished my class hall campaign, and I still can't recruit naga warriors. Whats up with that?
Finally got a new artifact model.
Between our mobility, blur on a 1 min CD, metamorph 100% lifesteal (this is the absolutely insane one during a heavy damage phase), and darkness I really wouldn't call my DH a glass canon. I felt that was the intention too, but I definitely feel incredibly tanky in both pvp and pve just because of all the tools at my disposal compared to say my warrior (a plate class no less) lol.
Blur is really your only consistent survival tool (and it's good, to be fair).
Meta leech is on a 5 minute CD so lol. Darkness has been nerfed into the ground so it's basically just an unlikely dice roll if you're relying on it to survive.
It's a 4 minute CD (everyone has the artifact trait), and can go down to 3 minutes with relics, not to mention it lasts 30 seconds. So for 30 entire seconds the healer doesn't have to care about me at all; I can even stand in all the shit I want. Like you say blur is incredibly powerful, and speaking outside of raw defensive CD's my mobility just gets me out of any danger immediately -- other classes have a much harder time of getting out of bad shit. Sure, darkness is lol @ 15%, but it's still an extra added bit of utility, just the icing.
Just relative to all the other specs I play, I find my DH to be one of the more resilient ones in both PvP and PvE. Fury warrior the absolute worst, and rogue/ret the best imo. DH is somewhere in the middle or above average in my eyes.
RoninChaos
Member
Is that Havoc or Veng?
Yeah, but relics need to actually drop before you can get that CDR, so that's a non-issue for me
Havoc
There are DPS specs that would kill for two+ strong defensive cooldowns. Blur is a one minute cooldown too, super nutty really. The only way to really justify DH survivability is to look at all the defensive cooldowns Rogue got to keep, but both are totally out of line with where other classes are at. And these classes with strong defensives also get some ridiculous stuns baseline that add a lot to how well they can survive.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I get the impression nobody ever runs balance on Rogues because its not worth nerfing a class nobody plays. Although last I read, I think Monks had surpassed them as least played class.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Monks are lowest played largely by virtue of being a late addition that starts at level one. Lore concerns aren't the only reason Demon Hunter's start at 100.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I still find that at the Mythic 5s/pre-raid level I see way less Rogues than either Monks or Demon Hunters. That's certainly anecdotal, but I'm also the only person in my guild that even plays a Rogue past 100.
My problem so far is that Outlaw is a better spec in every real way than Assassination or Sub are. I tried leveling Assassination and then switched to Outlaw to give it a try and it was night and day. I figured it was maybe just a leveling thing, but no, Outlaw is just beast mode compared to either Sub or Mut at basically everything.
jaundicejuice
Member
I wish Monks were a legitimate hero class that just started at 80 or 85 and had a similar requirement that Death Knights and Demon Hunters have, requiring a character on that server at a certain level and even limiting you to one per server.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't think it would solve anything. A lot of the fervor to get familiar with a class is playing it when it launches, e.g. they would have had to have been Level 80 to start right when Mists came out.
Right now if you buy World of Warcraft you can get a Level 100 Monk for free, but I doubt its fixed that imbalance.
That Diablo pet is also for the Diablo 3 game and not World of Warcraft.
Diablo 3 looks better than that.
Monks get a huge XP boost from their daily quest though. I did RAF Monks with a friend and we were outleveling dungeons before they were even finished.
jaundicejuice
Member
Grinding through Vanilla, TBC, WotLK and Cata dungeons for the umpteenth time--even with the Monk exp daily and RAF cheesing--doesn't sound as appealing as making a monk, playing through the Wandering Isle, being able to go right into MoP content with a bunch of bags, and licences up to lvl 70 flying.
But how often do you stare at your damn pet in Diablo 3 when you're playing? It's like the size of an ant in the game.
I never use pets in that game.
God I hate other players in Suramar's eastern areas. One current world quest involves killing three specific guys and most people are just tearing through the city and dragging a thousand mobs behind them into a tiny room to join an already chaotic fight.
Learn how to use CC for god's sake.
Learn how to use CC for god's sake.
I feel ya. I quit playing my WW monk in WoD. Went with DH this go around. Silly me. Luckily I'm an alt addict so tons of level 100s to occupy my time if it gets really bad.
Neither do I, I was just commenting on how low-res it looks considering they're showing it blown up like that.
Yeah, the pets suck. The rest of it looks good.
Buff 25 specs or nerf two...which sounds more reasonable?
jaundicejuice
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Paladin Order Hall Quartermaster sells weapons and shields, 100 gold each.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The weirdest part is the failure to proofread the tooltips.
You don't have access to the class hall until after you get an artifact.
I completed the Prot quest while using a 2Her, so you should be able to do that if your gear isn't terrible.
I had the same issue, I just did it with a 2H. It wasn't too terrible, most fights you have something healing you.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Blizz does not give a shit about Arch and hasn't since Cata. I thought it would be better now that its easier to get fragments, they are closer together and spawn in one area but oh my God they have learned NOTHING about the actual placement. I have a digsite at Temple of Lights (the place with an enormous amount of elites) that is unusable.
Thats not even going into the weekly thing for a rare. "So every other profession gets specialized quest for stuff, what do we do for arch?" "Oh shit arch still exists, uhhhh....solve 25 Highborne items of wildly varying difficulty making it a pure RNG fest to whether or not you get a 35 piece relic or a 120 relic that both have the exact same benefit, fuck it!"
Remove arch plz so i can stop doing it.
Suramar City is just hands-down the best urban area WoW has ever designed, it's so good. I feel like they're totally gonna recycle it later as a player sanctuary. Wouldn't mind I guess, it pretty much puts any of the existing capitals to shame.
Also so glad this disguise mechanic isn't more annoying - it could have been consumable, timed, or both. It's pretty fun to work with.
Also so glad this disguise mechanic isn't more annoying - it could have been consumable, timed, or both. It's pretty fun to work with.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Got owned, but I was mostly button-mashing my way through since it's been over a year since I played this class, haha. I'll try again.
nvm - it was just that one swarm at the start of the Tomb. I'm good. Truthguard get!
There was a couple fights where I had to blow cooldowns to stay alive. It is totally possible, though.
Wow that's... basically the opposite of what they were trying to do.
but it is