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Teknopathetic
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"seduction locks make me laugh"
It hurts inside?
It hurts inside?
Teknopathetic
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"no killing ur succy and thrashing you is quite fun"
More WoW douchebags and how they "wtfpwn" everyone. Keep the overcompensation on Blizzard's forums, ok?
More WoW douchebags and how they "wtfpwn" everyone. Keep the overcompensation on Blizzard's forums, ok?
SatelliteOfLove
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Hero said:
8 months later...
Teknopathetic
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Yeah, WotF got nerfed a long time ago. You think it's bad now, you should've seen when it lasted 20 seconds 
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.Alex said:I park my succubus away from me and keep her on stay, so when the "clever" Warriors charge and fear when they see no pet, they pretty much just waste a fear
the above tactic shouldnt suprise anyone
its CHEEZ
its a crutch for shitty players, most ppl who play locks are bad imo
opening up with deatcoil
smart warrior would target ur succy and cast intimidating shout
kill the succy while the lock is feared, and then finish off the lock
i <3 one shotting that dominatrix
yacobod said:the above tactic shouldnt suprise anyone
its CHEEZ
its a crutch for shitty players, most ppl who play locks are bad imo
opening up with deatcoil
smart warrior would target ur succy and cast intimidating shout
kill the succy while the lock is feared, and then finish off the lock
i <3 one shotting that dominatrix
So....using your pets abilities is "cheez"? You sound a bit bitter man, might wanna not take the game so serious, heh.
Alex
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I do chain seduce, and fear, and I use deathcoil every time its up. I also use potions, whipper roots, healthstones and grenades. I come prepared to fight as many people as you can throw at me.
It's cheese, and a staple of bad players, yet... I'm in the top (by an extreme margain) guild on my server, I rarely die in PvP outside of very unfavorable circumstances, almost always top off KB charts and I have had up to a Marshal rank.
Pardon me if I sound arrogant, but I'm going to say given that, and that I've PvP'd since the game came out with three level 60's, I'd like to assume I'm a very capable player, who has played way too much WoW.
So with that I figure making the most of my abilities on a target that is entirely immune to my core class staple defense is a GOOD idea. But yeah, I guess you're right, Mortal Strike feels like happy!
One of the most potent staples of the Warlock class in PvP is to be able to CC two people, while putting focus on another at any given time, as well.
Or rather it wouldnt be, if your opinions weren't so silly. =/
One thing I have to ask though... How do you fear and kill my Succubus when she's 20 yards away from me and invisible? When that seduce goes off, much like a poly for a raid geared Mage, it's pretty much the end for the person on the recieving portion.
It's cheese, and a staple of bad players, yet... I'm in the top (by an extreme margain) guild on my server, I rarely die in PvP outside of very unfavorable circumstances, almost always top off KB charts and I have had up to a Marshal rank.
Pardon me if I sound arrogant, but I'm going to say given that, and that I've PvP'd since the game came out with three level 60's, I'd like to assume I'm a very capable player, who has played way too much WoW.
So with that I figure making the most of my abilities on a target that is entirely immune to my core class staple defense is a GOOD idea. But yeah, I guess you're right, Mortal Strike feels like happy!
One of the most potent staples of the Warlock class in PvP is to be able to CC two people, while putting focus on another at any given time, as well.
Or rather it wouldnt be, if your opinions weren't so silly. =/
One thing I have to ask though... How do you fear and kill my Succubus when she's 20 yards away from me and invisible? When that seduce goes off, much like a poly for a raid geared Mage, it's pretty much the end for the person on the recieving portion.
Alex
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No, haha, it's way better than a PvP trinket. The immunity that comes after it is what typically seals the deal unless I am totally prepared.
I think it should be changed to work akin to the Orc's Hardiness, personally.
I wish they'd relook at racials across the board, and balance them out so each faction has a good foothold on PvP and PvE bonuses.
Would also be nice to see Priest racials redone as well.
I think it should be changed to work akin to the Orc's Hardiness, personally.
I wish they'd relook at racials across the board, and balance them out so each faction has a good foothold on PvP and PvE bonuses.
Would also be nice to see Priest racials redone as well.
Teknopathetic
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"Nerf Will of the Forsaken even more then.
It's a free PVP trinket, on an even shorter cooldown.
Nerf the hell out of it. I want to see hordies QQ"
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It's a free PVP trinket, on an even shorter cooldown.
Nerf the hell out of it. I want to see hordies QQ"
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Alex
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Yeah, but that doesn't worry me much less. Look at Blood Elves versus Draenei.
Good thing I want to be a fruity Blood Elf! Actually, they're not really that fruity and they're pretty much assholes, and that's something I can respect!
Blood Elves leaked voice clips and jokes were great, in my opinion, and I like Cam Clarke.
Good thing I want to be a fruity Blood Elf! Actually, they're not really that fruity and they're pretty much assholes, and that's something I can respect!
Blood Elves leaked voice clips and jokes were great, in my opinion, and I like Cam Clarke.
I can't decide anymore what to roll as my BE character, unless the new Hunter talents blow me away.
I was eager to play either a Druid or a Warrior. Leaving out Druid makes sense enough, but the exclusion of Warrior as a playable class for BEs really bugs me. I know, AOE silence on a warrior would be a bit much to say the least, but the game needs more good(ish) tanks...and I already took a Pally to 60 (once was enough for me).
I have an undead priest at level 35 right now, full rest, ready to be leveled up quick like. I'm thinking about ignoring it, starting an Orc warrior now, then once I get to 70 with my Mage (60), I can pick my old priest clean and ship what's left over to a new BE priest.
But then I don't think I can make enough headway with a Warrior between now and the release of the expansion to make it worth my while.
I was eager to play either a Druid or a Warrior. Leaving out Druid makes sense enough, but the exclusion of Warrior as a playable class for BEs really bugs me. I know, AOE silence on a warrior would be a bit much to say the least, but the game needs more good(ish) tanks...and I already took a Pally to 60 (once was enough for me).
I have an undead priest at level 35 right now, full rest, ready to be leveled up quick like. I'm thinking about ignoring it, starting an Orc warrior now, then once I get to 70 with my Mage (60), I can pick my old priest clean and ship what's left over to a new BE priest.
But then I don't think I can make enough headway with a Warrior between now and the release of the expansion to make it worth my while.
Alex said:
grats so am i
Alex said:
omg killing blows = skill grats
must be pretty easy to collect killing blows being at max range and putting dots on ppl, its pretty easy for me to rake up killing blows spamming execute as well
oh and i've hit warlord
Alex said:
i've played MS, 2fury, and dw fury extensively in both pve and pvp so idk, i like them all, they all have their ups and downs
Alex said:
TT
color me unimpressed by your serious attempt at an epeen flex
you're not gonna have the convenience of always having your succy parked 20 yards away from you and invisible, that cheez might work for you in duels but won't cut it in world pvp or bgs
most locks i know who participate in organized grp pvp bust out the felhunter for fatty dispels and spell lock, but i guess thats not as useful as chain seducing in BGs :lol
Unless you will be involved in a major PVE raid guild, then I suppose the question is up for the taking.
- Dwarf Priest has the Fear Ward racial spell which is paramount to quite a few end-game encounters and people will love you for it.
- Human Priest has Desperate Prayer (which the Dwarves also get) and is quite a life saver, they also have Perception which can work in your PVP favour from time to time depending on when you use it.
- Night Elf Priests are basically the shittest of the shits when it comes to racials but if you ever want to piss off the hardcore wankers who believe they know everything about the game and rightly tell you so, roll a NE Priest and rub your crotch in their face.
Again, unless you're serious and raiding weekly, the choice is up to you. You pay the same amount as every other fool to play WoW so why let people's opinions affect your decision.
- Dwarf Priest has the Fear Ward racial spell which is paramount to quite a few end-game encounters and people will love you for it.
- Human Priest has Desperate Prayer (which the Dwarves also get) and is quite a life saver, they also have Perception which can work in your PVP favour from time to time depending on when you use it.
- Night Elf Priests are basically the shittest of the shits when it comes to racials but if you ever want to piss off the hardcore wankers who believe they know everything about the game and rightly tell you so, roll a NE Priest and rub your crotch in their face.
Again, unless you're serious and raiding weekly, the choice is up to you. You pay the same amount as every other fool to play WoW so why let people's opinions affect your decision.
Teknopathetic
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"most locks i know who participate in organized grp pvp bust out the felhunter for fatty dispels and spell lock, but i guess thats not as useful as chain seducing in BGs"
Most locks who participate in organized grp pvp bust out whatever they feel is more useful to their playstyle. Whether it's an imp for dps, felhunter for caster lockdown or Succubus for extra CC.
"you're not gonna have the convenience of always having your succy parked 20 yards away from you and invisible, that cheez might work for you in duels but won't cut it in world pvp or bgs"
And you're not always going to have the convenience of being able to see a succubus visible and able to charge her or getting the drop on a warlock. What's your point again?
And again, how is this "cheez?" If it's so easy for you to beat a warlock that uses a succubus, where's the "cheez?" Make up your mind.
Most locks who participate in organized grp pvp bust out whatever they feel is more useful to their playstyle. Whether it's an imp for dps, felhunter for caster lockdown or Succubus for extra CC.
"you're not gonna have the convenience of always having your succy parked 20 yards away from you and invisible, that cheez might work for you in duels but won't cut it in world pvp or bgs"
And you're not always going to have the convenience of being able to see a succubus visible and able to charge her or getting the drop on a warlock. What's your point again?
And again, how is this "cheez?" If it's so easy for you to beat a warlock that uses a succubus, where's the "cheez?" Make up your mind.
Alex
Member
I think you need to go back to the WoW forums, in all honesty. That attitude really won't fly here. People from all walks play here, and the last thing we need is to bring the games elitest bullshit to the GAF thread.
Nothing he said is incorrect in the least, in group PvP for myself, I'd value a Succubus over a Felhunter most times to boot.
But you play the way that suits you yeah. And I'm Destruction, I don't DoT all that much, so read the thread please.
As for a good PvP teams, I don't do premades anymore, I stopped raiding. I just play with a couple of my friends and PuG with them, but last time I did we 3 capped Nurfed in WSG. So cool your jets accusing random people you apparently think youre better than on how to play their class.
And since an Honor Farming team is a scout team that dodges premades, you don't exactly have much respect with me anymore anyhow. =/
Nothing he said is incorrect in the least, in group PvP for myself, I'd value a Succubus over a Felhunter most times to boot.
But you play the way that suits you yeah. And I'm Destruction, I don't DoT all that much, so read the thread please.
As for a good PvP teams, I don't do premades anymore, I stopped raiding. I just play with a couple of my friends and PuG with them, but last time I did we 3 capped Nurfed in WSG. So cool your jets accusing random people you apparently think youre better than on how to play their class.
And since an Honor Farming team is a scout team that dodges premades, you don't exactly have much respect with me anymore anyhow. =/
Teknopathetic
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"i honestly dont think you've ran with any good pvp squads, or even with a good honor famring grp, so i'm going to ignore your comments as being uninformed"
Really? Because it looks like you're going to ignore me because you can't reply with a straight answer. You ever so carefully dodged the "How is it 'cheez'" question.
Really? Because it looks like you're going to ignore me because you can't reply with a straight answer.
You ever so carefully dodged the "How is it 'cheez'" question.Teknopathetic
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"clearly setting your succy at max range and invisible and chain seducing requires a lot of skill and adaptation, i'm sorry"
If you can so easily beat a warlock who uses it, what's your issue with it?
If you can so easily beat a warlock who uses it, what's your issue with it?
i dont have an issue with it, but i think its a cheesy tactic
thats my opinion of it
in my defense, you havent given me any reasons to make me think otherwise, u just continue to flame away, so i dont really see why i should respect any of your statments either
the fact is that pvp in this game is easy
i'd say it goes something like this
gear >> skill = luck
if someone heavily outgears you, 9/10 times u might as well just bend over and take it
if ppl have equal gear and skill lvl, it comes down to luck and dice rolls
but it goes back to gear, better gear = better dice rolls
who crits who, who resists what, thats all there is to it really, the game is easy, u push some buttons, shit dies
i beat a lot of locks, and i get my ass handed to me from time to time
thats my opinion of it
in my defense, you havent given me any reasons to make me think otherwise, u just continue to flame away, so i dont really see why i should respect any of your statments either
the fact is that pvp in this game is easy
i'd say it goes something like this
gear >> skill = luck
if someone heavily outgears you, 9/10 times u might as well just bend over and take it
if ppl have equal gear and skill lvl, it comes down to luck and dice rolls
but it goes back to gear, better gear = better dice rolls
who crits who, who resists what, thats all there is to it really, the game is easy, u push some buttons, shit dies
i beat a lot of locks, and i get my ass handed to me from time to time
Alex said:
again correct me if i'm wrong
but did you just not say this
Alex said:
again you brought it up
at any rate, Alex i'm not saying you are a bad player, but what i did originally say was that there are a lot of bad warlocks, if you do in fact pvp as much as you do, i'm sure there is no doubt you would agree with me, i laugh at locks who use death coil as their openers, and chain seduce, they are bad players, or they might not have the gear to back up their play style
but that is because of the bigger issue
warlocks used to be semi rare and unique, but now warlocks have become/are FOTM, i know so many ppl who have rolled or rerolled warlock alts because they are so "OP" and "unbalanced", this large influx of players probably leads to all the bad players
but w/e
Teknopathetic
Member
"in my defense, you havent given me any reasons to make me think otherwise, u just continue to flame away, so i dont really see why i should respect any of your statments either"
The burden of proof isn't on me, I'm not making the one making random claims. How cheesy can a tactic be if you think it's so ineffective?
If that's what you think, that's great, but don't be surprised when you spout that with nothing to back it up and people call you on it.
The burden of proof isn't on me, I'm not making the one making random claims. How cheesy can a tactic be if you think it's so ineffective?
If that's what you think, that's great, but don't be surprised when you spout that with nothing to back it up and people call you on it.
:lol I was going to make a comment, but I figured it would get lost in the usual warlock/rogue banter (not that I'm complaining).firex said:
It's funny, I don't quite know what the complaints about War Stomp are (which got mentioned earlier). As a Shaman, it nets me an extra LHW (less healing wave) in an optimal setting and if I remember what I read, it resets your weapon swing time, which certainly isn't a plus. I guess it's frustrating to the opposing player, which may add some kind of psychological aspect to it.
WotF is overpowered, but no more than Fear Ward. I get tremor totem, which is kind of like a lottery (it only works if you don't get feared out of range by the time it pulses).
Personally, the only time I've ever really bitched about racials was the shadowmeld bug.
Teknopathetic said:
what exactly about my claim is random?
i said that i thought chain seducing locks are cheesy, and i have explained why i think so, i've used examples brought up in this thread as highly implausible in real world pvp or in bgs
ur posts are retarded attacks on me, with absolutely zero content involved
you're just another scrub warlock that is free honor
Teknopathetic
Member
"ur posts are retarded attacks on me, with absolutely zero content involved
you're just another scrub warlock that is free honor"
Irony? All things considered, I've been trying to give you a chance to actually explain something quite politely, unless asking you a question (that you won't answer) is what's considered a "retarded attack."
you're just another scrub warlock that is free honor"
Irony? All things considered, I've been trying to give you a chance to actually explain something quite politely, unless asking you a question (that you won't answer) is what's considered a "retarded attack."
Alex
Member
I finished AV rep for all three of my characters now. Man, AV rep is so easy to get now. And if you play defense, Alliance side at least, it's still very enjoyable
Paladins crit up to 21! I really wish I finished my Avengers gear before stopping, shit was on rot anyway, 4 out of 5! Argh, I cant deicde if I should use the Avengers legs and bust my 5 piece Judgement though. And there's the fact that Judgement is so nice looking. My Paladin matches so well, and wow man... Avengers Leggings just ruin the whole thing, so ugly its insane.
Also, my PvP cloak is still a Hide of the Wild and neck an Angelistas Charm, haha. I still heal a lot in PvP though, even without swapping between sets.
Speaking of Succubus I DO kill them on my Paladin though! You have a tendnacy, as a Warlock, to try and kill your own kind in PvP. That still carries over to Paladin for me, so it's exorcisim and judgement of command whenever I see one running around
Paladins are pretty fun, in all honesty. I was getting so pissed off at the lack of proper healing itemization pre-tier 3 for them, but meh. I just hope the expansion provides more options.
I remember when I first brought this up and started to take it along to Alt Core and Altwing Lair, nothing is more painful than gearing up a fresh 60 Paladin. There is little to no healing plate avalible.
Honestly, the blue PvP gear is the best healing gear avalible preraid by a *MASSIVE* margain, it's sad shit. Of course, then again the blue PvP gear is pretty much all better than Tier 1 for all classes nowadays anyhow
I think the Horde will love them in raids. Extremely mana efficent, and very potent. Rank 4 Holy Light + Blessing of Light = sick. But in PvP, I don't think you guys will find them as durable as you believe.
Paladins crit up to 21! I really wish I finished my Avengers gear before stopping, shit was on rot anyway, 4 out of 5! Argh, I cant deicde if I should use the Avengers legs and bust my 5 piece Judgement though. And there's the fact that Judgement is so nice looking. My Paladin matches so well, and wow man... Avengers Leggings just ruin the whole thing, so ugly its insane.
Also, my PvP cloak is still a Hide of the Wild and neck an Angelistas Charm, haha. I still heal a lot in PvP though, even without swapping between sets.
Speaking of Succubus I DO kill them on my Paladin though! You have a tendnacy, as a Warlock, to try and kill your own kind in PvP. That still carries over to Paladin for me, so it's exorcisim and judgement of command whenever I see one running around
Paladins are pretty fun, in all honesty. I was getting so pissed off at the lack of proper healing itemization pre-tier 3 for them, but meh. I just hope the expansion provides more options.
I remember when I first brought this up and started to take it along to Alt Core and Altwing Lair, nothing is more painful than gearing up a fresh 60 Paladin. There is little to no healing plate avalible.
Honestly, the blue PvP gear is the best healing gear avalible preraid by a *MASSIVE* margain, it's sad shit. Of course, then again the blue PvP gear is pretty much all better than Tier 1 for all classes nowadays anyhow
I think the Horde will love them in raids. Extremely mana efficent, and very potent. Rank 4 Holy Light + Blessing of Light = sick. But in PvP, I don't think you guys will find them as durable as you believe.
Believe it or not, and obviously this is just anecdotal, but I know quite a few people who have levelled up pallies on other servers. We are interested in how they work, etc. I got one up to 20 or so, then got bored. I found the play style to be very, very slow. Though I was impressed at how much shit I could take on at once for not having any CC, heh.Alex said:
Alex
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Oh, leveling one is a bitch. If you have a friend, and go about it together, it can be quite decent. That'd probably be even more fun on a PvP server since a Paladin + another class = win.
But yeah, going about it yourself? Awful, if youre bored at 20... man, 20 is the sweet spot. Try 40-60, holy christ, I only made it by leveling with a friend.
Paladins are all about teamwork and support. Retribution, Holy, whatever youre doing on a Paladin you can do it ten times better aiding your team as you do so.
There's a big difference between Retribution and Retnoob I'm finding. Prior to this week, I only healed and supported, ever. But yknow, the damage isnt really bad at all, and I still heal, I still bless, I still BoP and BoF, I repentance people on healers, it's fun.
I still prefer mostly healing though, but as a primary caster, a big two hander is really fun.
As for survivability, theyre better than Shaman by a fair margain against melee, but casters will rock your face as a Paladin, well, Locks and Mages, compared to Shaman. What I wouldnt give for totems sometimes.
But yeah, going about it yourself? Awful, if youre bored at 20... man, 20 is the sweet spot. Try 40-60, holy christ, I only made it by leveling with a friend.
Paladins are all about teamwork and support. Retribution, Holy, whatever youre doing on a Paladin you can do it ten times better aiding your team as you do so.
There's a big difference between Retribution and Retnoob I'm finding. Prior to this week, I only healed and supported, ever. But yknow, the damage isnt really bad at all, and I still heal, I still bless, I still BoP and BoF, I repentance people on healers, it's fun.
I still prefer mostly healing though, but as a primary caster, a big two hander is really fun.
As for survivability, theyre better than Shaman by a fair margain against melee, but casters will rock your face as a Paladin, well, Locks and Mages, compared to Shaman. What I wouldnt give for totems sometimes.
I'm going to go holy/prot on my pally honestly. But that's because I expect there won't be a whole lot of pallies in my guild, and even if I collect misc defense gear and manage to be an offtank (I know it's pretty much impossible in the current game, but I think it could be done in the expansion) I won't get to, so I'll just go for the rather cookie cutter holy shockadin, but also pick up BoK, improved HoJ and some other stuff out of prot that's actually more pvp oriented. So basically I'm getting BoK to make myself more useful in a raid and just continuing in prot because there's not much worth getting for me out of ret (improved BoM maybe, but I'll be giving all the melee BoK anyway...).
Honestly, I won't mind being a healer/buffer in raids/pvp, since pallies are so damn good at single target healing. I only got my alliance pally up to 28, and that's only because eventually it gets dull leveling all alone on a new server.
Honestly, I won't mind being a healer/buffer in raids/pvp, since pallies are so damn good at single target healing. I only got my alliance pally up to 28, and that's only because eventually it gets dull leveling all alone on a new server.
Tre, now that I think about it, you and yaco had this same conversation much earlier in this thread. I think it was about PvE damage dealers or something, and I think he never gave an answer then ended it saying "I've told you several times, I won't repeat myself" back then too.
And then there was laughter.
And then there was laughter.
Alex
Member
My raid build was 33/13/5 (Imp. BoM). All the buffs (sans sanct, which really doesnt matter), and all improved.
Take devo and toughness for padding. Well actually... redoubt or shield block might not be that bad if we actually take regularly in the ex pack, but given the requirements to actually block something, it's a waste to take them as is.
Plus, I have 10,000 armor with toughness and devo on! Big numbers are fun!
Only time I tanked in current WoW was on Fankriss, bug tanking was really fun.
Take devo and toughness for padding. Well actually... redoubt or shield block might not be that bad if we actually take regularly in the ex pack, but given the requirements to actually block something, it's a waste to take them as is.
Plus, I have 10,000 armor with toughness and devo on! Big numbers are fun!
Only time I tanked in current WoW was on Fankriss, bug tanking was really fun.
Teknopathetic
Member
"Just curious, why don't you ever use the Quote button?"
I do. It's right on the keyboard.
"Tre, now that I think about it, you and yaco had this same conversation much earlier in this thread. I think it was about PvE damage dealers or something, and I think he never gave an answer then ended it saying "I've told you several times, I won't repeat myself" back then too.
And then there was laughter."
It's quite possible.
I do. It's right on the keyboard.
"Tre, now that I think about it, you and yaco had this same conversation much earlier in this thread. I think it was about PvE damage dealers or something, and I think he never gave an answer then ended it saying "I've told you several times, I won't repeat myself" back then too.
And then there was laughter."
It's quite possible.
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