You did, in your own post. Do we really have to break down into semantics?MrPing1000 said:who said unbeatable?
firex said:I'm sorry, but "if a warrior has top gear he should be unbeatable" is retarded logic. Any other class with top gear still loses to other classes because of mismatches in abilities, and warriors shouldn't be exempt. Warriors are not special, they are not WoW's golden child, and they do not deserve any extreme advantages over anyone else.
We've been over this all before, though. I had a TUF and I wasn't murdering anybody....I was just target #1 for stun spam from pallies and rogues. In group PVP you get neutralized pretty quick (probably because of the "overpowered" reputation).firex said:Give a warrior any level 60 epic weapon and they start dealing insanely high DPS. And then add in the epic armor that could give them the most HP, and their skills that allow them to get out of pretty much any situation except some extreme snaring/rooting (which is being taken away with this coming patch) and that's a large part of why they were OP. Yeah, it's a problem with blizzard's gear design mostly, but they'll probably never admit it until they fire Tigole and Furor, which isn't happening, despite how much better it would make WoW.
How can they, when everybody has like 8000HP now? Considering the lack of ranged attacks, the uselessness of armor against 90% of other players, and the warrior's vulnerability to all manner of crowd control, I wouldn't say that winning in 4-5 shots is all that unfair anyway....you almost never get any licks in, so when you do it should hurt bad. But for the sake of argument how many "shots" would make it fair?Or will they be more balanced because they won't 2-4 shot everyone?
firex said:You did, in your own post. Do we really have to break down into semantics?
And border, it's not even a matter of "bleeding edge." pvp epics, or even 20 man raid epics were all that a warrior really needed to go over the top. Give a warrior any level 60 epic weapon and they start dealing insanely high DPS. And then add in the epic armor that could give them the most HP, and their skills that allow them to get out of pretty much any situation except some extreme snaring/rooting (which is being taken away with this coming patch) and that's a large part of why they were OP. Yeah, it's a problem with blizzard's gear design mostly, but they'll probably never admit it until they fire Tigole and Furor, which isn't happening, despite how much better it would make WoW.
The real question now is how will warriors stack up as more people get to 70 and everyone gets their "endgame" gear. Pre-BC they were pretty clearly built around burst DPS in pvp, similar to shamans, and shamans are probably the weakest class overall in pvp right now (with warriors second weakest). So what happens? Will warriors who get epics from gruul's lair/magtheridon/all future BC raids return to being OP? Or will they be more balanced because they won't 2-4 shot everyone?
Fularu said:Mages can deal 10k damage with 2 casts (fireball crit + firblast)
firex said:And Fularu, who can kite warriors? Oh yeah, druids, frost mages and hunters. That's it.
yacobod said:hemo rogues can kite warriors
i still cant believe all the warriors in here saying that we werent OP pre 2.0, warriors were the BEST class in group PVP bar none, shit even in 1v1 pvp warriors were pretty good (hardly the victims some ppl are making them out to be), the only match up that gave me problems were good mages (too much CC) and well geared shadow priests, everything else was fodder
Yeah lets ignore someone based on the fact he has a PVE role in this game. After all *I* am the masochistic for beeing the MT of a guild unlike some people who were perfectly mentaly fine for doing the Rank 14 grind?yacobod said:i'd kind of ignore fularu, i think from his post history he is a long term protection Warrior, he probably sucks at pvp (no offense but the overwhelming majority of tanks are just bad at pvp), and is a masochist (because he is a guild main tank/protection warrior )
Fularu said:Firex if as a shaman you can't beat a warrior either :
- You are a enhancement shaman and well, you saw it coming
- You need to learn to play against them and exploit their weaknesses, shamans really don't have it rough against warriors with their totems, their elemental spells and heals.
Death Wish is so far into the Fury Tree that you would have to have given up Mortal Strike to get it (21 point talent). That's enough of a gimping that I'd say it's fair, considering you'd be mostly relying on auto-attack and getting smoked by classes that don't rely on Fear.firex said:Border, you know you also get berserker rage and/or death wish?
It's impossible to kite a warrior as a priest/warlock when they're immune to their only defenses
That's not how they were initially advertising WoW.Meier said:Imo, MMO's shouldn't be tuned around PVP unless that's the explicit intent of the game like a Shadowbane or something. The primary function of WOW is to be a PVE game.
fallout said:That's not how they were initially advertising WoW.
Meier said:Read: I'm a power gamer and the guild I am devotes about 6 hours a night to raiding, every night. Unfortunately it's a West coast based guild too so that means we start at 9 PM EST and don't end till 2 or 3 my time. You're right, I can't control myself -- I'll do what it takes to get my DKP.. and that's not a good thing (and why I sold my EQ account right when starting college back in late 2001).
Here's what will likely be my last character update: http://www.wowrankings.com/viewb.htm?name=Meier&s_id=67
madara said:When do you guys decide just out right sell a green item to vendor? After it fails to sell in AH 3 times? I dont claim to know the math with AH but I have about dozen items now that have failed to sell even at starting price. Maybe I should wait for busier weekends before give up.
Fularu said:In solo PvP any smart class would simply CC you (every class but warriors can do that, even if through a meager shield that you have to break through on auto attacks to get any kind of rage) and own you.
fularu said:I'd dare you to log as a warrior in 2.0 WoW and own every class except frost mages in 1v1. I'm prety sure you'll get your ass kicked by next to everything in the game right now.
fularu said:Yeah lets ignore someone based on the fact he has a PVE role in this game. After all *I* am the masochistic for beeing the MT of a guild unlike some people who were perfectly mentaly fine for doing the Rank 14 grind?
Somehow, I learned from this game that people boasting about their mad PVP SKILLZ often sucked at it in the game, and from all the people that did the R14 grind on Dragonmaw, at least half of them don't have a clue on how to properly play their class.
Buggy Loop said:disenchant my friend, disenchant. a good 70% of armors, you get more money out of disenchant than putting it up on AH (green ones at least). And there's no fee to put enchant items on AH.
madara said:But I would have trade in either herbalism or alchemy do that correct?
Alex said:They decided to unnerf Paladins, so that's a good thing at least.
Apparently with Paladins, however, they plan to find another way to reduce the potential for burst damage. Which, on the other hand, I am fine with since I've never deluded myself enough to bother with Ret for more than a hour or two post leveling anyway. Playing against all of the strengths of the class, wheee.
Paladin board still bitches about it though, I don't know why I read those damned boards. Self punishment I guess. Still, it's amusing to see the same arguments after around 18 months of this situation existing.
:lol Jesus.Alex said:
Holy shit, indeed. The voice-over is hilarious, not to mention the video itself.Alex said:
yacobod said:i only have a lvl 61 hunter
Meier said:Wow, how many hours a day are you playing.. and are you exp'ing continuously? I swear you were 55 the other day.
MrPing1000 said:Oh and the fact I was forced to spec protection for the forseeable future.
Pretty much why I don't rush. I find that the more you do, the worse it gets. Even fun stuff can get to be too much after awhile.MrPing1000 said:Definately been feeling burnt out. I was 70 about 12 days after launch, got my arcatraz key, karazhan key and got 3 heroic keys as well. Then I just didn't feel like playing.