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madara, if you want a class between warlocks/hunters that's wanted in groups... well, both are good, but neither gets groups as easily as a mage. I was going to talk about pre-expansion (or more accurately pre-2.0) when hunters never got groups while warlocks got them a lot, but it isn't really true anymore. They're both good, though I think a warlock will get more groups and it's less of a jump in playing type than a priest. At the very least you go for the same gear pretty much. also, honestly you may want to find a good guild (if you aren't in one) and run instances with them a lot on your priest. pugs are terrible on most servers (not mine, they tend to be good there with maybe 1/5 of the players being asshats when it comes to the outland stuff) and most people seem to get into a "well they're not in my guild so I don't have to be nice to them" mentality in pugs.
ToyMachine228
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My 70 Human Paladin on Magtheridon is definitely one of the best Paladins on the server if not the best...My Shaman on Magtheridon is 54...But the server is a wasteland. There's two "good guilds" one of them has like 70 members, the other one is sort of emo. My guild which Pre-TBC was one of the servers better guilds is falling apart...So I'm weighing in a couple options...
1) Leave the guild, go Ret, PvP have some fun, level my Shaman more, PvP with it.
2) Server transfer and find a really good and dedicated PvE guild.
3) Reroll Horde somewhere. Thinking Blood Elf Rogue or Blood Elf Warlock.
4) Try to fit into one of the larger decent guilds on my desolate server and hope for the best.
1) Leave the guild, go Ret, PvP have some fun, level my Shaman more, PvP with it.
2) Server transfer and find a really good and dedicated PvE guild.
3) Reroll Horde somewhere. Thinking Blood Elf Rogue or Blood Elf Warlock.
4) Try to fit into one of the larger decent guilds on my desolate server and hope for the best.
firex said:
Thanks, going to make Warlock tonight. I've dropped everything for friends that needed a healbot for weeks now, got nothing out of it by repair/drink costs and they never had the time to return even 1/10 of favor on any groups quests. Now I'm told by them and my server at 68 I need to go Holy, even though they admit I am the better player or they will just go to the three active priests they know that are holy. Which they have done last three days now, only coming to me on underbog or under because those priest like me are done with those. If I thought folks would be there for me last two levels and farm factioning then holy would not be that big of deal but I darn well know they wont, its just about them. I could go on all day about some really disgusting stuff that relates perfectly to why their are lot priest posts about feeling second class but your right though, I need find a good guild if one exists on that server. I wish like alot folks I could come into wow with real friends that gamed, would make a world of difference. But first I need a vacation
Thanks for help and free vent pass! Seems affliction tree is the way to go, at least for level grind.
definitely go affliction to level a warlock. It's what I did way back at launch and it's still good. The only time you may want to respec is at 60+ when a felguard build is surprisingly good, but with affliction leveling's still really good too.
Here's a sample build I made up for a 70 affliction/destruction lock. The only real weakness is slightly less health (no demonic embrace) and no suppression.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=AVMrVRfkqtboZxx0tr
Just remember that as a warlock you want to go with +spell damage first, then +stamina, and +spell hit is more useful for affliction than +spell crit.
Here's a sample build I made up for a 70 affliction/destruction lock. The only real weakness is slightly less health (no demonic embrace) and no suppression.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=AVMrVRfkqtboZxx0tr
Just remember that as a warlock you want to go with +spell damage first, then +stamina, and +spell hit is more useful for affliction than +spell crit.
Razoric said:
Hardly. I love seing hunters as my opponents in arena because they go down so quick. Look at most of the top arena teams, you won't find many hunters.
I will admit that hunters do decent in BG's because they sit in the back lines and can snipe a lot of people, but in arena they're pretty limited, especially with the LoS issues.
yacobod said:
Impossible to kill? Are you talking about BG's? I guess that's good?
And as for leveling a warlock, affliction is definitely the most effective and efficient way to level.
Firex's build is pretty decent but I would make a few changes.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=NE0rVMfzVtbo
Suppression is such a great talent, I definitely would grab that after Improved Corruption.
I haven't tried Improved Drain Soul myself, but often times I grind on so many mobs that I don't really bother to drain soul. With Life Tap and Dark Pact, mana won't be that big of an issue. I also don't think Amplify Curse / Curse of Exhaustion are really necessary, but
if you are playing on a PVP server it might not be that bad of an idea to grab it.
After you get Unstable Affliction, it's your choice to either go Demonology or Destruction. Personally I don't have the time to be casting Immolate or Shadow Bolt, so I opted to go Demonology for more + stamina.
And yeah, always go for + spell damage, then + stamina. Unfortunately at lower levels it's hard to find + spell damage on items.
the only reason I went with improved drain soul is blizzard tied that into a reduced threat talent. Otherwise I'd get 2/2 improved curse of agony or 2/5 suppression.
the amp curse and curse of exhaustion is mainly for some extra utility or getting away from mobs before getting instant howl of terror. I actually found it useful in pvp, even though it's not a great snare, because you can use it on someone running and dot them up.
shadow embrace is in there because it adds a debuff for soul siphon. if it didn't count toward soul siphon I'd just drop it altogether.
the amp curse and curse of exhaustion is mainly for some extra utility or getting away from mobs before getting instant howl of terror. I actually found it useful in pvp, even though it's not a great snare, because you can use it on someone running and dot them up.
shadow embrace is in there because it adds a debuff for soul siphon. if it didn't count toward soul siphon I'd just drop it altogether.
cubicle47b
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Affliction is great for leveling but go demonology at 50. Felguards just make everything stupidly easy (get mana feed). The most downtime you'll have is a few seconds of health funnel.
edit: Suppression isn't that great. I looked at a lock dps spreadsheet today and was suprised how little it helps. Here's a link - http://www.leulier.com/
and discussion about it - http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=10065
edit: Suppression isn't that great. I looked at a lock dps spreadsheet today and was suprised how little it helps. Here's a link - http://www.leulier.com/
and discussion about it - http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=10065
Killed Jaina Proudmoore tonight for fun. She went down super easy, so we took our puggish group to Darnassus to try and get Arch Druid Fandral Staghelm. Unfortunately, somebody aggrod him before we had a chance to mana up and it took a little too long. We got him down to 6%, and then the adds slaughtered us. I think we'll get him again the next time we go.
Madara, that really sucks it's not going good for you. I've been 70 for a few weeks now, and I have absolutely no intention of going holy. Any player that's not an imbecile knows how ****ing awesome shadow priests are. Healers, especially paladins, love us. And I love paladins for blessing of salvation. And I can dps with the best of them. I've been guildless since I transferred to this server, but I've had no problems running instances with good people. If you PUG with someone, and they're good, add them to your friends list. I have a pretty big friends list with people I know know how to play, so while its groups with people of all different guilds, its a lot better than a random pug. Make friends with tanks and healers, especially. A good tank makes thing so much easier. I can pick pretty much any random people from my friends list, do a shadow labs run. And we'll run it without wipes, clearing through the 5 mob pulls even without CC.
I just finished a shadow lab run right now. All my friends were asleep so it was a complete pug. But everyone was awesome. Tank knew how to tank, dps warrior offtank, mage, me, and a holy paladin. Everything went beautifully and the run went super fast.
Seriously, don't reroll. Shadow priests are great.
I just finished a shadow lab run right now. All my friends were asleep so it was a complete pug. But everyone was awesome. Tank knew how to tank, dps warrior offtank, mage, me, and a holy paladin. Everything went beautifully and the run went super fast.
Seriously, don't reroll. Shadow priests are great.
ZombieSupaStar
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healing is a thankless job, I said that months ago somewhere in here. its a class designed around letting everyone else enjoy the game.
currently have a 47 lock and am loving it, deleted my 60 dwarf priest before xmas.
currently have a 47 lock and am loving it, deleted my 60 dwarf priest before xmas.
i'd say there is really no reason to delete a character
worst case scenario you can have is making him a bank alt
and who knows maybe priests get buffed sometime down the road, so you might want to revisit the character
i'd say deleting a character, especially one at 60+, is a mistake
worst case scenario you can have is making him a bank alt
and who knows maybe priests get buffed sometime down the road, so you might want to revisit the character
i'd say deleting a character, especially one at 60+, is a mistake
Yeah, healing has never been for me. I enjoy CC (my twink was an Enchanter in EQ), so I love that aspect of the hunter class.. but I'd feel naked as a mage in WoW I think. Too vulnerable. Certainly would be easier than soloing as my Enchanter used to be.. anyone else exploit guards in High Pass? :lol Got caught once and that was the end of that, but it got me a few levels in my 20s.
yacobod said:
Yeah I don't understand why he deleted it either.
I talked to a Mage on my server who had a 70 Paladin and he deleted it to start over. I told him he could have up to 50 characters... he said he knew.
Deleting a character seems pretty extreme... you never know when you might get the urge to go back and play it again.
So I started a new Horde warlock (Undead) last night on my first WoW server (Frostwolf). I used to be Alliance there so it will be fun to see things from the other side. This will also be the first Horde character I level up past 10. Any advice on talent specs or combat strategies as a lock to level from 10-20 and beyond?
Meier said:
if you like cc, mages have a lot of CC at their disposal
mages are a real fun class to play, probably the most twitch based class in pvp, definately a blast, i used to love playing my friends decked out mage, currently lvling a mage to pvp with at like 39 or 49, among my other pvp twink projects
I think I would get utterly destroyed pvping as a mage since my frame rate is so bad. It's hard enough as a hunter.. if someone gets the jump on me solo, I'm usually dead as my computer starts to chug along. :lol
I think a mage would be a lot of fun in solo play or groups though.
I think a mage would be a lot of fun in solo play or groups though.
I dunno, I rather enjoy healing quite a bit. Granted, playing a shaman and I can always respec to "melt face" or "stabbity stabbity". Still, I just love those OH SHIT situations that happen and you manage to save everyones' ass.ZombieSupaStar said:
I guess I can see what you're saying, though. I've been bitched at for letting people die in a group, but honestly, it's like: "I'm sorry man, but if it's been the tank and a rogue, I'm going to be blowing my NS + big heal on the tank."
Also, people don't really think that resto shammies are good healers, so there's a bit of discrimination there. I've basically had to prove to every single person that I can actually solo heal things. Sometimes that falls apart, though, because of shitty tank or whatever. Actually, I'd say that for most of the BC instances, great tanks are the biggest asset to any group.
Has anyone else been getting horrible stuttering (IF like stuttering pre-BC) the past week? I've been playing since the BC and the game ran perfectly up until about a week ago. It doesn't happen in instances, but everywhere else I get 1-2 second pauses two to three times in a row every minute or so. The sound stutters sometimes when it happens, too. I'll look at my fubar plug in that shows the framerate and it'll go from 45+ to 2-4fps when it's happening.
EDIT: This is happening in Outland and Azeroth.
EDIT: This is happening in Outland and Azeroth.
MrPing1000
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guild got aran down on tuesday, cleared up to him again today got him to 17%. it seems for the time being we'll require to warlocks 2 kill him. Didn't have that setup today.
I just wish there wasn't so much ****ing trash.
I just wish there wasn't so much ****ing trash.
ToyMachine228
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ZombieSupaStar said:
So true. Whenever anything goes wrong...WTF IS UP WITH THE HEALS??? If you haven't raided as a healer you have no right to bitch about the heals.
ToyMachine228 said:
Most encounters can be out healed -ssuming you have infinite mana- so the blame tends to be dropped on the healer. MOST good players understand why a wipe happens and don't just automatically "blame the priest", but when I hear "HAEL ME!" I simply stop everything and reply, "Say that again and I'm gone." I don't like being treated like a moron.
Razoric said:
In 51-60, I never once lost as Horde. I had like 17 marks left after getting to the 61-70 bracket and my one win was where I joined like 30 seconds before the match ended. :lol We usually cant get across the bridge (archers/people camping on the ledges below them) hold us off 95% of the time. I dont think I've ever even seen Horde get the SP Aid Station.
p.s. Anyone else ever notice that the East Frostwolf Keep misspells Destroyed as "Destoyed" when you look at its tooltip?
cubicle47b
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Jesus christ. I would have hearthed immediately.
:lolMallika said:
I actually ditched a group in Bot one time because of similar issues. There's that stupid pull near the start, where the two guys are hiding behind the wall. So I mark them and tell the tank to pull the marked ones. He pulls the guys in the back, thus resulting in like a 6-7 man pull. Now, non of the guys no what to CC and we wipe. I'm like ... okay, fine, it happens. So I clearly explain to him in plain english that there are 2 mobs behind the wall and it is a 2-pull. He says: "okay". I ask him to pull. He does it again. I bitch a little while flying back. He says: "fine, you pull". So I sent a tell to the hunter and asked him if he had a 4th grade education or not. He told me he'd misdirect the pull.
We get back to the top and the warrior is sitting there and is like: "where's my res?"
And I'm like ... you ass. Do you not even understand the concept of mana? By the time I res you, heal you up (another gripe ... why will people not eat?) and then drink myself, you could have ran back 3 times. Not only that, but when you die and release in any Tempest Keep instance, you res at full health outside the instance and just have to fly back.
Anyway, so when he asked for a res, I just dropped group and said I wasn't wasting my time.
ToyMachine228
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SaitoH said:
Yeah my Paladin was recently getting 50% of the healing done with 3 healers on my guild's Shade of Aran attempts. And I didn't have any mana problems. And people we're complaining about the heals and it really made me mad...Look at the meter...I am healing DOUBLE what these other two guys are, and I'm not spamming or overhealing either. Give me a break. I don't mean to put myself above the rest of the people but...My server is awful and I really wish I could someplace where my skill won't be unappreciated.
cubicle47b
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Keep in mind that things like prayer of mending, lifebloom, and earthshield are added to the meter as healing done by the player the buff is on. On last night's run (Curator kill, Aran attempts) I healed 2,011,000 (32% - on Aran attempts I hovered between 40-45%). The priest behind me is listed at 1,440,000 (23%). However, the MT alone had 300K healing from Prayer of Mending. He's probably fairly close to my figures after everything is properly accounted for.
That said, it was a rough healing night as the druid with us was undergeared. On our Curator kill I healed for 300K in 6 1/2 minutes. I was unlucky on crit heals too as my holy light crit rate dipped to 18%.
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