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funkmastergeneral
Banned
As a casual player Blizzard really dropped the ball with the Vault raid. My schedule at work fluctuates constantly, so I can only rarely raid with my guild. Before Emalon came out I could very easily pug my way through vault, but now I can't because no one wants to get saved to a vault when we can't kill Emalon. Whats the point of having a tier 7 and tier 8 boss in the same instance? It really screws people over who need the tier 7 upgrades in order to progress to tier 8 content, they should've just made two separate instances.
funkmastergeneral said:
Emalon is retardedly easy. Don't pug with idiots is my only advice. I realise a boss that mixes Murmur and an enraging add is too much to handle for your typical two brain cells dps pug, but still he's basically a free T8 boss.
Emalon is easier than any Ulduar boss.
Weenerz said:
I disagree.
The real top end guilds don't give a shit about casuals seeing the game or stuff beeing nerfed AFTER we beat it. Want to see the fight? Cool, it will get you to gear up and join us if you don't suck and we have an open spot.
The Ulduar nerfs were expected, they said it would be harder than naxx, but not a whole lot harder and some of the fights in non nerfed ulduar were sunwell level hard (not M'uru level hard mind you). We'Re glad they are there now for the other people to see and enjoy them.
On the other hand, the people you see the most vocal about "bads, scrubs, casuals..." is your usual shitty guild believing they are badass because they are 4th or 5th of their faction on their server.
Those are a pain in the ass and I absolutely love putting them down. Many of my wow friends are casuals, many of my hardcore raiding friends are now casuals, we have a casual rank in our guild (PvPer) and we respect the need for those people to enjoy the game at their pace.
It's the same for Ensidia, Method, Elitist Jerks, Drama, Premonition and co.
Kintaro said:
They can see the content, to do so, they can either :
- Improve their coordination and playing skill
- Cry about it.
Since the achievement's name is "He feeds on your tears" and only spawns for 1 hour a week, that is fine.
Fularu said:
While as a gamer I love a challenge and in belief, I agree with you. That's just not going to happen.
If Blizzard is content to making the game really easy, why the gamers who are looking for a challenge (without making it themselves with hard modes) haven't moved on to something else is beyond me. Maybe they dig the lore as much as I do. As least they can run through it quickly, enjoy it and unsub until the next patch.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
There's no way Iron Council or the stupid tank at the start are harder than Emalon.
But they nerfed him, and his chain lightning was by far the hardest part of the encounter assuming your dps actually had gear. I'd expect pugs to be able to handle that shit no problem now.
I do hope they leave the watchers alone, for a while. Having XT being the cockblock was stupid, especially given the 3 loot pinatas behind him. But the watchers are more than deep enough in for that not to matter.
But they nerfed him, and his chain lightning was by far the hardest part of the encounter assuming your dps actually had gear. I'd expect pugs to be able to handle that shit no problem now.
I do hope they leave the watchers alone, for a while. Having XT being the cockblock was stupid, especially given the 3 loot pinatas behind him. But the watchers are more than deep enough in for that not to matter.
Iron council with Stonebreaker last is impossible currently, the second dude last is prety hard. Our calculations place it at 2 tanks, 2 healers and 21 DPS doing 7500 dps each. I'm definitely expecting a nerf to stonebreaker, he was overbuffed.
Killing Stonebreaker and Mogwhatever first is easy, true, but that's not how the fight is intended, and the loot reflects it.
Killing Stonebreaker and Mogwhatever first is easy, true, but that's not how the fight is intended, and the loot reflects it.
BigJonsson
Member
Just scored Footpads of Silence 
First person in guild to use the Runed Orbs
Sexy sexy boots
First person in guild to use the Runed Orbs
Sexy sexy boots
ToyMachine228
Member
What did they nerf about the Razorscale fight? They said adjustments were made but I didn't see specifics mentioned.
ToyMachine228
Member
Weenerz said:
Not only amidst lag so bad that we had to leave Ulduar on Tuesday, we were having that same problem. We had 5 drills coming up, and we were getting Sentinels out the ass. So I'm not sure what's going on with that. Blizzard said they were reducing it's difficulty but I haven't seen any posts about what they did to change it.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
BigJonsson
Member
Got 5 bosses down tonight in Heroic Ulduar including Flame Lev with 1 tower up..........
Of course some guildies kept bitching about things getting nerfed and how they want it to be harder and blah blah blah..........then we wipe to bosses and the raid leader and GM tell them to shut the fuck up
2 shotted FL
2 shotted Razorscale
1 shot Ignis
3 shot XT - how about those nerfs eh *facepalm*
5 shot Kolagarn - how about those nerfs eh?
Not a bad night at all though, I was able to bleed almost all the DKP out of the other rogue :lol he got shoulders and dagger, I got a nice throwing weapon for not much DKP......but I also got the Footpads of Silence for no DKP FTW
Hopefully we can bitchslap Auriya tomorrow
Oh and a fragment dropped off Kolagarn and two of the three healers who planned to bid on it were absent tonight LOL
Of course some guildies kept bitching about things getting nerfed and how they want it to be harder and blah blah blah..........then we wipe to bosses and the raid leader and GM tell them to shut the fuck up
2 shotted FL
2 shotted Razorscale
1 shot Ignis
3 shot XT - how about those nerfs eh *facepalm*
5 shot Kolagarn - how about those nerfs eh?
Not a bad night at all though, I was able to bleed almost all the DKP out of the other rogue :lol he got shoulders and dagger, I got a nice throwing weapon for not much DKP......but I also got the Footpads of Silence for no DKP FTW
Hopefully we can bitchslap Auriya tomorrow
Oh and a fragment dropped off Kolagarn and two of the three healers who planned to bid on it were absent tonight LOL
ToyMachine228
Member
Trying to decide if we should do Razorscale first tonight, even if he is still bugged or go do XT-2000 and Kologarn really quick (We've downed both of those last week, and Razor for that matter) and then go to Ignis and Iron Council. Tuesday was lag city in Ulduar and we were getting 5 drills at a time and back to back Sentinels left and right on Razorscale so...Not sure.
gottalovetheglove
Member
Just found this linked on my realm forums. Weird.
WoWInsider: Player receives developer item in the mail, one-shots Ulduar.
WoWInsider: Player receives developer item in the mail, one-shots Ulduar.
funkmastergeneral
Banned
Orbitcube said:
Oh man, screw pve, I would've gone into a battlegrounds and had a field day.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
It's probably happened before, just now there's all these silly tracking sites and achievements and shit and people actually care about it now.Epix said:
As if the people getting 1-shotted wouldn't have reported it?Epix said:
I would have de-guilded and just run everything on my own....maybe it would have been less noticeable then. I also would have had the good sense to unequip the uber-secret developer item before I logged out, so it wouldn't show up on the Armory.
Mostly true, as far as I'm aware. The entire guild isn't banned, since I've seen some of them in trade recently trying to recruit new members to fill the void left by all the banned ones. Then the channel invariably turns into an argument about whether or not they're hackers.Orbitcube said:
http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=17Orbitcube said:
God dang, this reminds me of the CCP/BoB Shenanigans.
Karatechop said:
The nerfs are only encouraging more shitty players to reach the upper echelons of the game. I have to deal with enough bad players in my guild as it is, and the recruitment pool isn't exactly that deep.
Having 25-man Naxx level gear doesn't necessarily equate to "good player" anymore. :\
Having 25-man Naxx level gear doesn't necessarily equate to "good player" anymore. :\
Son of Godzilla
Banned
Pretty certain they've done nothing but buff the hard modes.
Belfast said:
It never did as 25naxx was much easier than 10man. You had a greater margin of error for clearing the place itself, but not so much the achievements. But that meant the gear was easy to get even via-pugs.
All it meant was you have a lot of members able to play the same time. Or, your guild helps organize it via filling with pugs.
Player skill itself is equal regardless if you 10man or 25man. Raid difficulty used to be more forgivable on 25man.
J-Rzez said:
As far as I'm concerned even *that* is a symptom of the way things have gone, and this is coming from someone in a guild that is having trouble in Ulduar. I, personally, like things to be tough. We never really got all the way through the BC content, but I feel OK about that. There was always something to strive for, always something to work towards, even if it was unreachable for a good amount of time.
Hard mode mitigate things somewhat, but what they don't do is hold the same mystique as unexperienced content. I'm worried about people getting bored too easily. Let's face it, MMOs depend on carrot and stick means of progression by nature. Remove the carrot and you don't feel like going anywhere.
XT is one of the easier bosses in the instance, but when we finally downed him after a whole night of wiping, it felt SOOOO frickin good. My adrenaline was pumping, my hands were shaking, and I could finally exhale.
Being able to steamroll content (comparative to older-style content or even other games like FFXI) just kills that feeling for me.
Belfast said:
I certainly agree. We have 3 bosses left in Ulduar yet to go, which we should be able to hopefully down on Sun. Since we only raid 2 days a week due to people's schedules, getting all that other stuff out of the way tues should help us finally clear it. I liked the extra challenge. I understand why they did hard mode and all, and that'll be something for us to chip away at soon as we gear up some weapons for everyone in ulduar.
If I'm disappointed at anything, it's the gear in there though. Going from 10mans prior to ulduar, gear upgrades really aren't that significant it seems so far outside of weapons. I even expected 10man Uld gear to be significantly better than 25man priors. But unfortunately that's not how it panned out in most cases. Hell, some classes are using their 10/25gear over Uld stuff, especially when it comes to many of the horrible set bonuses on the new tier stuff. Funny thing is, Blizzard caught onto this and they're going back and nerfing some T7/7.5 set bonuses now LOL.
Every time we loot a boss, people on vent are like, "well, i guess it maybe an upgrade, just slightly". Itemization blows this time around. And for some classes, they were forgotten completely even.
http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/04/30/the-martin-fury-scandal-karatechop-reveals-all/Xabora said:
Nevermind, GM stupidity on character restoration.
ToyMachine228
Member
Our healers completely zoned out tonight. We downed Razor, XT and Kologarn that we've all done before, and then went to Ignis (We had always skipped it) and they completely zoned out. We're letting the main tank die every attempt with only like two constructs up. And the worst part was...Afterward I found out 2 people went off-spec and were healing so we had 7 healers. On Kologarn (I think it took us four attempts) the healers kept letting the MT and the elemental tank die. Every attempt until we killed it. Don't know what it was. Just...Healers zoning the hell out I guess.
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