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Faction changes sounds awesome!
Oni Link 666
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VaLiancY said:
I got Loque'nahak, Rak'shiri, Gondria, and King Krush. The only pet I have that isn't a rare spawn is my Gorilla. I guess I'll have to let him go if I want that wolf.
I'm liking the sound of the JC transmutations. I have a bunch of gems and eternals stashed away in the bank.
And the Engineering stuff sounds cool. I guess. The only thing I would really use on my hunter is the cloak enchant since it is 1 more agility than the regular 22 agility enchant plus the parachute. At least they're getting it through their thick heads that people don't want to use gimmicky engineering stuff like parachutes instead of real enchants. Especially when you have to raid in that gear.Looks like Exodus' world first for killing Yoggy was an exploit.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/
Oh wait, there's more from Exodus who got a three day ban and say Blizzard doesn't ban Nihilium or Ensidia.
Exodus
Who got the popcorn? :lol
http://www.mmo-champion.com/
Oh wait, there's more from Exodus who got a three day ban and say Blizzard doesn't ban Nihilium or Ensidia.
Exodus
Who got the popcorn? :lol
Oni Link 666
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It does look bad. It looks like Blizzard banned them because of Ensidia's crying. It's not like they didn't know already. Blizzard does look at what happens in these raids. Especially when it's the world's first kill of the hardest encounter in the game. How long did it take them to catch that guy with the kill everything shirt? He didn't even finish the instance.
ZombieSupaStar
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Tamanon said:
i wonder if WoW subs are starting to fall?
Alex
Member
Oni Link 666 said:
Ensidia's bipolar attitude towards it as a guild on the whole made the whole thing. Everything from complete indifference, to turning around and breaking their back to discredit it, to pretending like they're some innocent little flower who HASN'T exploited numerous bosses in the past.
And no, exploiting a boss then reporting it to burn the bridge behind you to block progression towards Algalon doesn't make it any better.
In the end, Exodus came off as a shady, sneaky pack of ashamed folk in general, complete douches really. BUT they still keep their title and the mount and the world first, and Ensidia gets a taste of their own medicine and a pretty solid soiling of their reputation.
At least that's how it all comes off to me. I'm not one to typically give a shit about anyone but my own guild.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
during Summer Vacation? Not a chance.ZombieSupaStar said:
So I finally tried WoW with one of those 10 day trials; I really enjoyed it, but I don't plan on subscribing (partially because of the addictiveness).
Anyway, I'm gonna end up with a lvl 20 alliance warrior, well over 1g in money and some equipment/stuff.
Is it possible to give this stuff away if someone wants it? (obviously none of you uber lvl 80's need it). Seems like a shame to let it rot if the account won't be used again...and I rather have someone get it than have the account hijacked while its not in use.
Btw, man has it ever been hard to join other people; I've done nearly 100 quests while going lone wolf, and it hasn't been easy in the slightest...
Anyway, I'm gonna end up with a lvl 20 alliance warrior, well over 1g in money and some equipment/stuff.
Is it possible to give this stuff away if someone wants it? (obviously none of you uber lvl 80's need it). Seems like a shame to let it rot if the account won't be used again...and I rather have someone get it than have the account hijacked while its not in use.
Btw, man has it ever been hard to join other people; I've done nearly 100 quests while going lone wolf, and it hasn't been easy in the slightest...
cubicle47b
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Blizzard needs to be more consistent about punishing and change what they consider exploiting. An exploit should be when someone uses a *bug* to defeat content. A lot of things considered exploits haven't been bugs, though. The most obvious recent example is undermanning 25 man Flame Leviathan. Kiting along the diagonal of the room (on a fight where you're supposed to kite, no less) is not an exploit. It's a strategy. It's not the player's fault you failed at encounter design.
As for the whole Exodus / Ensidia drama, Exodus is not wrong that Ensidia gets special treatment. However, they're really dumb for comparing their Yogg+0 kill to Ensidia's Hodir kill.
1. They exploited an obvious bug, and one that completely trivializes phase 3 (makes phase 3 easier than Yogg+4), on their kill. Ensidia didn't use a bug to kill Hodir. They used spell-steal to grab a buff from a mob in Freya's room which is Blizzard's fault for leaving it spell steal-able (and after the Naxx military quarter "exploit", how can they be that dumb?). It also didn't trivialize the encounter.
2. The race to kill Algalon. Ensidia wasn't the first to kill hard-mode Hodir. Two guilds had killed it the week before and Blizzard changed the encounter by lowering the time limit considerably (and to a point where it was basically unkillable). This put everyone who hadn't killed hard-mode Hodir already at a competitive disadvantage. What Blizzard should have done was let those first two guilds keep the loot but strip them of their completed Sigil quests so everyone would be on equal ground. Or not change it in the first place.
3. It's Yogg+0. You're seriously going to exploit the only undefeated encounter in the game and then act like it's legitimate?
It was still bad judgment on Ensidia's part because of what Blizzard considers exploits. They should have spent their time working on Firefighter instead (speaking of which, if they did use a JoL bug to kill, they should have gotten a 3 day ban for).
As for the whole Exodus / Ensidia drama, Exodus is not wrong that Ensidia gets special treatment. However, they're really dumb for comparing their Yogg+0 kill to Ensidia's Hodir kill.
1. They exploited an obvious bug, and one that completely trivializes phase 3 (makes phase 3 easier than Yogg+4), on their kill. Ensidia didn't use a bug to kill Hodir. They used spell-steal to grab a buff from a mob in Freya's room which is Blizzard's fault for leaving it spell steal-able (and after the Naxx military quarter "exploit", how can they be that dumb?). It also didn't trivialize the encounter.
2. The race to kill Algalon. Ensidia wasn't the first to kill hard-mode Hodir. Two guilds had killed it the week before and Blizzard changed the encounter by lowering the time limit considerably (and to a point where it was basically unkillable). This put everyone who hadn't killed hard-mode Hodir already at a competitive disadvantage. What Blizzard should have done was let those first two guilds keep the loot but strip them of their completed Sigil quests so everyone would be on equal ground. Or not change it in the first place.
3. It's Yogg+0. You're seriously going to exploit the only undefeated encounter in the game and then act like it's legitimate?
It was still bad judgment on Ensidia's part because of what Blizzard considers exploits. They should have spent their time working on Firefighter instead (speaking of which, if they did use a JoL bug to kill, they should have gotten a 3 day ban for).
cubicle47b
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The video they put up is amusing, though. (I was wrong about phase 3 being easier than Yogg+4 too, it takes a few seconds for them to evade bug.)
sykoex said:
Huh? The big advantage to the rogue is you can start off fights with a cheap shot or garrote. You're negating a lot of that by starting it off with a throw.
If you throw, you'll get what, maybe 10% of it's health off? And you'll start with no combo points. If you cheap shot, you'll do well over 10% of damage (I usually take mobs down to about 50% under same level cheap shot), and also have slice n' dice up as well as maybe 1 or 2 extra combo points.
Another tip for rogue: get Archud, or anything that readily displays your combo points near the center of the screen. Needing to look up to your enemy's health portrait to see your combo points (especially color coded ones that we colorblind have trouble seeing) is not too efficient.
VAIL said:
Funny thing...if you check Armory, there are a ton of Tauren Druids named Convertabull. On top of that, there's one level 80 Human Priest named Convertabull. :lol
Good writeup on the new 5-man with dialogue:
http://www.wow.com/2009/06/30/patch...-man-story-and-encounters-spoilers/#continued
Am I the only one who is more excited about the 5-man than the raid portion? It seems like a much more interesting encounter so far, though I guess we don't know all the details about the raid yet. Either way, the 5-man fights seem fun.
http://www.wow.com/2009/06/30/patch...-man-story-and-encounters-spoilers/#continued
Am I the only one who is more excited about the 5-man than the raid portion? It seems like a much more interesting encounter so far, though I guess we don't know all the details about the raid yet. Either way, the 5-man fights seem fun.
arts&crafts
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Just out of curiosity, anyone on Dentarg?
cubicle47b said:
I think most of the outrage against this stems from the fact that many (myself included) don't believe Ensidia would have gotten banned for this. It just would have been hotfixed before anyone else could do it. Mainly they are probably pissed at themselves for not figuring out the exploit first.
Lol at butthurt Exodus...
Vashj wasn't an exploit (and Kungen said he did hit for 500k on a revenge, it wasn't done purposefully, and she respawned on top of them and made it clear).
Hodir wasn't an exploit but clever use of in-game mechanics, they didn't get the world first nor did they claim it. They told everyone how they did it and the following reset the timer got increased to 3 mins (from two minutes, no less).
Mimiron, you can see the two JoL twice, and only twice in the whole video, and the hunter is attacking all the time, they obviously didn't stack (for long).
Lol at going all the way back to C'thun, an unkillable boss that got killed by 5 guilds within the hour of the hotfix going live, no one cared at this point.
Comparing Evade bugging the Guardians to any of that is silly. They should be glad they didn't get perma banned the way Overated was.
Vashj wasn't an exploit (and Kungen said he did hit for 500k on a revenge, it wasn't done purposefully, and she respawned on top of them and made it clear).
Hodir wasn't an exploit but clever use of in-game mechanics, they didn't get the world first nor did they claim it. They told everyone how they did it and the following reset the timer got increased to 3 mins (from two minutes, no less).
Mimiron, you can see the two JoL twice, and only twice in the whole video, and the hunter is attacking all the time, they obviously didn't stack (for long).
Lol at going all the way back to C'thun, an unkillable boss that got killed by 5 guilds within the hour of the hotfix going live, no one cared at this point.
Comparing Evade bugging the Guardians to any of that is silly. They should be glad they didn't get perma banned the way Overated was.
arts&crafts
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TheExodu5 said:
Nooo I am on horde. My character's name is Moisten (Orc Shaman)
Stuggernaut
Grandma's Chippy
Just read that Living Bomb can be cast on multiple targets...really hoping that makes it to live.
I honestly don't even understand the point of Backstab, it's a crapload of work (turning on stealth, walking slowly to position yourself behind the enemy) just to get a slightly stronger attack and be right in the center of all the enemy's friends.TheExodu5 said:
I'm level 13 and I got dual weilding swords as soon as I could and I basically play my rogue like a warrior that can stealth around whenever I want and pull individual enemies to me with throw. It's great.
cubicle47b
Member
Gloomfire said:
Ensidia would have been banned for this. There really should be no doubt about that even before seeing the video (which is great, BTW). As for doing it themselves, this bug wasn't unknown to other top guilds.
sykoex said:
Well first off, you should be going combat spec if you're leveling. Get a slow mainhand for a strong Sinister Strike, and a fast offhand for poisons.
End game, you'll either be combat spec or mutilate for PvE, so you won't be making much use of backstab.
Also, if you want to stay dagger spec'ed, you really don't need to position yourself behind the enemy to use it. Just use distract to point the enemy away from you, and stab away.
edit: looks like you're wielding swords. That's perfect. What you want to do is spec into Combat, get all the skills that improve damage (including improved Slice n' Dice, very important).
In a fight, here how you want it to go down:
Stealth
Cheapshot for 4-second stun and 2 CPs (combo points).
(or Garrote if you have Glyph of Garrote for 1 CP, but this must be done from behind)
Slice and Dice immediately with those 2 CPs you got.
Sinister strike to 4-5 CPs
Eviscerate
You can use the eviscerate earlier if the mob is nearly dead.
You will find fights go much, much faster if you go this route.
Kyoufu said:
Not even. Just distract! It'll point all the enemies in the range of the distract to the location of the distract. Just point the mobs away from you and you have them open for a Garrote.
If you open with Cheap Shot instead, you don't even need to distract. Just spam the Cheap Shot button as you walk towards the enemy's face and you'll get it off before they can unstealth you.
I would always go the Cheap Shot route, because of it's simplicity. On top of that, those 4 seconds of stun means you'll take very little damage. You can also use those 3-4 combo points you get while they're stunned to use a Kidney Shot and stun them for another 4 seconds. You should be able to get through most fights with hardly taking a lick of damage.
Still, the most important thing as a Rogue is to ALWAYS keep Slice and Dice up. It's the biggest contributor to your damage.
They datamined the raid:
http://www.wow.com/2009/06/30/patch...raid-story-and-encounters-spoilers/#continued
I'm impressed with some of these bosses, some of these encounters sound tough as fuck. I'm excited.
http://www.wow.com/2009/06/30/patch...raid-story-and-encounters-spoilers/#continued
I'm impressed with some of these bosses, some of these encounters sound tough as fuck. I'm excited.
BigJonsson
Member
I'll be the 2nd 80 rogue looking to sell my account due to WoW being really boring and my guild being annoying
cubicle47b
Member
eoy said:
I found this description of Ensidia's first Hodir hard-mode kill interesting.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You don't have the epic shirt.Gloomfire said:After 14 freaking tries, I finally got Rod of the Fallen Monarch from H AN. It was my last blue ---> purple replacement. Hell, I got the Northrend Explorer ach today so even my tabard is purple
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45037#comments
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's the difference between getting 100 lives in Mario Bros. by jumping on the Koopa Troopa that walks down the steps up to the flagpole in World 4 and using a Game Genie to do the same thing. One is cheating, and one's just clever. It becomes cheating when you're causing the game itself to encounter an actual error. The issue here is that the Evade mechanic is put in when there's a pathing error and therefore it's pretty obvious why they got banned.Fularu said:
My problem is that the way that guild went about it was all a bit disingenuous. If they had come out and said, "we evade bugged it because the encounter is impossible otherwise" they would have gotten positive attention for bringing up the fact that the encounter is grossly overtuned. Trying to pass it off as legit is nonsense, and then trying to play off the ban with attitude about some other guild not getting banned is even stupider.
As for whether Ensidia would have been banned for that, you bet your ass they would have, but I would like to imagine that most guilds would be smarter than that.
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