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Mr Nash said:Haha, I heal discipline too...
Of course, the other side of the coin is amazing runs where we're on phase 3 and I'm thinking, "Okay, the tank's hp are getting down there a bit, I'll just caste a quick penance and..." Boom! Black Knight down, loot window up, everyone says "Thanks for group! =D" and leave, with me thinking, wait, what?"
One of the biggest reasons I'm going back to disc. Holy doesn't seem to have the kind of short cooldown "oh shit" button that Penance provides. My priest isn't my main, so maybe I'm missing something, but with my gear level in heroics penance heals for roughly half of the tank's health.
funkmastergeneral
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Yasser said:
Yea, there's a few. You don't have many options with them though. I would love an AP/Exp gem
http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3&filter=cr=117;crs=1;crv=0#0-2+1
As discipline I find myself filling two different roles in raids (I run mostly 10-man with the guild). Some boss fights reduce down to the classic tank-as-damage-sponge formula: the MT takes the majority of damage in large heaps, requiring a healer capable of staying ahead of the boss's DPS with superior HPS or absorbs. I can fill that role with the Discipline toolset: PWS+Glyph, Prayer of Mending on cooldown to the tank, Flash and Greater Heals depending on the situation, Penance to dig myself out of a hole and Pain Suppression on reserve for those "oh shit here it comes" moments. This is what Discipline is advertised as designed to do well. The other healer(s) are left to deal with the occasional damage sprayed around the raid.TomServo said:
However, it seems to me that more and more boss encounters in Wrath are deviating from that classic formula by either introducing more serious damage to the raid, implementing funky boss mechanics to thwart raid heals, or mechanics that allow bosses to cause direct damage that's not tauntable (all the various random de-buff/special attack abilities). In those circumstances I take on a second role, a sort of 'triage' healer. PWS is an incredibly versatile tool for saving lives in the raid, with little downside other than occupying one GCD and a moderate mana expense. Penance is likewise useful for ensuring the survival of a critical member of the raid (such as another healer). As long as the MT can survive a few seconds without babysitting, or can survive without Grace for five or six seconds, I can stabilize two or three other raid members.
Even better, if an encounter is scripted to create damage spikes at known times, I can pre-heal with PWS and PoM. Just shield anyone who is most susceptible to the imminent damage and let the raid heals do the rest.
Macattk15 said:
idk u figure most ppl have multiple toons on the same server, in the case of pvp servers, you couldnt xfer one of your toons over w/out either deleting all your alots, or faction xfering all of them, i never looked into it, but it makes sense that you should have a server xfer available when you faction change
but blizzard making you double dip wouldnt suprise me either
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
They removed the PvP faction restriction a while agoyacobod said:
you can get a server change, but you have to pay more.
jim-jam bongs
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Mr Nash said:
Get a DK to blow army of the dead for phase 2, and the adds cease to be a problem even with a horrible tank. And come on, how many groups have you had lately where there was no DK? :lol
TomServo said:
Holy isn't as good as disc for healing through a spike, but if you glyph guardian spirit and spec CoH/Surge of Light you can fake it. If you're using CoH every time it's up and have around 25% holy crit you'll basically have a Surge of Light ready constantly.
And you're not missing anything, penance really is just that good.
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
I think the Fire Nova should come from the Shaman, not the totem. It'd be neat to pop fire nova then thunderstorm, good damage and pushes them away.
As an enhancement shaman, fire nova sounds like it will be fucking cool. When my abilities are on cooldown and maelstrom weapon isnt at 4 or 5 stacks, I am doing nothing but auto-attacking for those few seconds. And since my totems are always up the bosses ass, it's going to always be used.
Jazzy Network
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Tamanon said:
Since when do Druids get pets?
EDIT: O Force of Nature. Man who cares?
Hit 80 on my DK last night woohoo. 5 minutes later i was in the guilds 25man Non heroic TOC :lol . We seemed to be missing a few last night so they carried me along . 1.6k'ish DPS, oh yea. I didn't even have my level 80 spells :lol
Was enjoyable. Didn't get all the achievements though since they had killed beasts by the time i hit 80. Now i need to try and tank / dps some 5 mans for some gear and hitup a naxx pug tomorrow.
Should be alot of stupid fun
Was enjoyable. Didn't get all the achievements though since they had killed beasts by the time i hit 80. Now i need to try and tank / dps some 5 mans for some gear and hitup a naxx pug tomorrow.
Should be alot of stupid fun
Wrekt said:
No news is good news with Paladins these days, but I would expect the damage from the cleave effect to be softened up before too long. It really is the most useful iteration of SoComm we've ever had, even if it still does rely on RNG. The 100% crit against stunned targets was fantastic, and would have worked with Seal of Justice very nicely back in the day... but it wasn't meant to be.
One thing I'm seeing, however, is Warriors getting Victory Rush at level 6. Assuming that isn't a typo, that's giving Warriors a little extra oomph fairly early on. Perhaps the melee classes are getting their early levels reviewed in preparation for Cataclysm, and Paladins can look forward to something extra to push at low levels as well (dare I say, baseline Crusader Strike?)
gottalovetheglove
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Some of the undocumented changes are going up on MMO-Champion.
There's a really interesting part about something called Quel'Delar:
Interesting, another legendary for 3.3? I doubt that's Shadowmourne, but the 'Cleanse Quel'Delar' is intriguing. Looks like we'll be going back to Kil'jaeden again. And the Halls of Refection are the 5 man instance where you fight the Lich King.
also:
There's a really interesting part about something called Quel'Delar:
MMO-Champ said:
Interesting, another legendary for 3.3? I doubt that's Shadowmourne, but the 'Cleanse Quel'Delar' is intriguing. Looks like we'll be going back to Kil'jaeden again. And the Halls of Refection are the 5 man instance where you fight the Lich King.
also:
gottalovetheglove
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More Icecrown screenshots.
The Frozen Throne looks kinda lame and plain. I never played the RTS games and know next-to-nothing about Warcraft lore, and even still I'm kinda disappointed. I thought it was supposed to be some badass thing that Arthas sits on -- and instead it looks like a frozen waterslide or something. I home they do the model again with more polygons and maybe add some of them newfangled texture things I always hear the people with the VooDoo video cards talkin' about.
http://www.wow.com/2009/10/02/patch-3-3-ptr-new-totems-for-trolls/
I like the new troll totems!
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll207/Tsuln_2008/WoWScrnShot_100109_224109.jpg
Orc ones there.
I like the new troll totems!
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll207/Tsuln_2008/WoWScrnShot_100109_224109.jpg
Orc ones there.
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
:O
New totems! Yay, my troll ones will look great!
New totems! Yay, my troll ones will look great!
Mr Nash
square pies = communism
The troll totems look great. Wish I could say the same about the mask pet that I got from the trolls at the argent tourney. I saw the picture for it in the vendor's window and thought, "That thing looks just like the mask from Crash Bandicoot, this is gonna be AWESOME!" You can imagine my surprise the first time I summoned the blood thing...
Orbitcube said:
From the sound of things, Quel'Delar will be part of the chain to unlock the separate wings of Icecrown 5-Man. If I had to guess, it's some kind of temporary weapon that you have to empower at the Sunwell (though I'm not sure it will involve Kil'jaeden, but who knows at this point?).
If there's a big chain quest where you have to track down, forge, and empower a special weapon to defeat Arthas... fuck, that is pretty epic.
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
heh, Dwarf totems.
Tamanon said:
Heroic Halls of Stone was the daily on my server a few days ago. PUG Heroics have always been pretty great on my server -- usually no wipes, and almost never more than 1-2 wipes.
We have a warrior show up as DPS. He's in mostly blue PVP gear. Okay, not so out of the ordinary. We start going. Okay....he's using an epic 1-hand and an epic shield to DPS. Obviously this is one of those people that will put an epic in a slot just because it's epic, regardless of whether or not it makes any sense to do so. Halfway through the dungeon I look over my recount and find that he is doing 386 DPS. I pull up the pie chart of his attacks and he isn't doing much besides Heroic Strike, Shield Slam, and Slam. Someone asks for DPS charts and I post them.....the response to his performance is little more than the usual "......" :lol
As much as I hate having shitty group members, I also honestly hate seeing newbies get torn a new asshole and was glad that nobody said anything too harsh aside from "The tank is doing 3X as much DPS as you." Somebody else asked "Are you just doing autoswing?" :lol People were mostly silent about it and we carried his useless ass through the rest of the dungeon and didn't even wipe on the escort mission despite the fact that our rogue died in the middle of the encounter just before it gets crazy. In fact our only wipe was because the tank didn't remember to move out of the Lightning Channeling by Sjollnir or whatever.
I wondered if I ought to at least whisper him a little advice like "Use a 2-handed weapon, and start doing Whirlwind on the big pulls." At least that might spare him from getting ripped in his next pug....but eh, it seems like whenever you try to help newbies they end up constantly pestering you for more advice for days. So I guess he'll be getting chewed out eventually.
SatelliteOfLove
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Evlar said:
The bolded part makes me believe that a Disc's place is assisting on tank healing and assisting raid healing, especially without Val'nyr (more on this later). I can negate some damage entirely, but only if, as you say, one does not need babysitting ala Thorim late in the game or even widdle ol' Ony. Very *GASP* dynamic in this day and age of dull, sloggy, soul-deadening Priest mechanics; quite frankly, I like it better than the spastic, neurosis-inducing play of Hpriests at end-game. Oddly, I have however went back to Holy for heroic daily and just jizz HPS all over any and all problems; even once again with the march of gear putting me near 3k SP, doing PoH as Disc is pathetic.
Penance is exactly how you said, especially with that damn nerf.
Val'nyr: so yah, we've had 5 underperforming people stop play and disappear during August, now 5 top performers split during late September, including an officer. Oh, and he took Val'nyr with him. Yeah. Great priest, good guy, shitty officer; literally had no idea how to lead once he got told that he was one of the World Top Tier Healers; squeezing out a bit more performance out of yourself but not lifting a finger to work with other healers somehow didn't work too well from a guild-not-personal perspective. Oops.
WHY ARE THESE NOT KEGS? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
This just in: 4.0 BEFORE NEXT CHILDREN'S WEEK!
http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/14441/garroshs-autograph/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/14441/garroshs-autograph/
Ohhhhh, I seeXabora said:
Was that quest in the game before with Thrall as the quest objective? I did all the Orgrimarr/Shattrath orphan quests but didn't bother to do the Northrend Children's Week stuff when it temporarily went up after the last patch.Still, I think it's conceivable that Garrosh might become the new Warchief before 4.0, but at least it lets us know that a bunch of pre-Cataclysm changes are in order.
Xabora said:
Actually I think you got Jaina's autograph for Children's week also.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=18642
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