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Damn after reading that article i have no interest in WoW anymore, I should cancel my account :lol
I guess it all depends on what the guild you're in does. I have no issues paying a monthly fee if i turn up on a wednesday, knock out some attempts on icecrown and return next week. The less time i spend in WoW the better at this point in time. However if i need to spend 4hrs per night 4 nights a week raiding then so be it, i will force myself to go through all that crap again.
I guess it all depends on what the guild you're in does. I have no issues paying a monthly fee if i turn up on a wednesday, knock out some attempts on icecrown and return next week. The less time i spend in WoW the better at this point in time. However if i need to spend 4hrs per night 4 nights a week raiding then so be it, i will force myself to go through all that crap again.
gottalovetheglove
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I think they're trying to say that gating is a new thing that Activision has put into the game to keep people subscribing for longer to make more money. That, of course, is pure bullshit since this has been happening since the game came out 5 years ago, before 'Activision' had any hold on Blizzard - as mentioned a few posts ago.Tamanon said:
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Orbitcube said:
Yeah this reads a lot like fanboy qq, but he does make a good point that the only real, new, expansive raid was Ulduar.
I didn't raid at all in TBC, but as far as I know you had Kara, ZA, BT, SSC, SWP as big 'full' raids.
And then you had Gruuls and Mag for those single boss little trash raids.
It definitely sucks.
SatelliteOfLove
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Try Muru, or even ones beyond us standing before a flushed KJ. BC was VERY good to our kind; you didn't need to gear up 55 people in FR/Ony Cloaks/NR/full T2 vvvvvveeerrrryyyyy sssslllloooowwwwlllyyyy. Skill was rewarded, as was guild strength. Now so many in our bracket have eroded from boredom, I wonder how many more will before LK or the HMs get rolling in like March or some shit.
I do too. That's why Blizzard is up shit creek without a paddle doing this IMO.
evlcookie said:
This is why I didn't wanna have to post it here, and that I hope it never reaches my guild, shit's dangerous. :lol
I actually heard of that article after I cancelled; I hope to God we're not right, as that would be a huge dick move on their part to me; like I'm being farmed for $$$.
About the last 2 sentences, that's basically the gist here: If I wanna dick around collecting pets, so be it. It's my $15. If I wanna raid for hours at a time, there should be stuff WORTH raiding and NEED it waiting on me, again, for that epinomious $15. I like my freedom in my MMOs, so sue me.
The problem with this is, the game's design flatly states "You'll have to stop raiding now; no HM, no further bosses, no other raid dungeon for you, come back next week for the same stuff until we say you can." Why? That we should take it in small, measly bits? That they're BSing to buy time for Cata by holding the LK hostage? Quite honestly, even resist gear farming wasn't this bad; at least you could go at your own pace on most of that...
jim-jam bongs
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Lately I haven't had much time to play WoW, but I think my interest had waned a bit anyway. The sentiment expressed in that article was pretty familiar honestly, although I don't feel quite so bitter and ragey about it. My subscription is only still active because 3.3 was coming, and I want to "finish" wrath by killing Arthas.
At this moment, I'd say that after that I'll stop paying until Cataclysm. So in that respect the gating is a little frustrating. My guild wasn't going to be clearing IC for a long while, but given that we're Oceanic and have some severe connectivity problems in places, the limited attempts in normal are going to be painful.
Eventually we can walk in and stomp the place, and I have other stuff keeping me busy, so I won't be cringing for it. I can certainly understand the complaints though.
At this moment, I'd say that after that I'll stop paying until Cataclysm. So in that respect the gating is a little frustrating. My guild wasn't going to be clearing IC for a long while, but given that we're Oceanic and have some severe connectivity problems in places, the limited attempts in normal are going to be painful.
Eventually we can walk in and stomp the place, and I have other stuff keeping me busy, so I won't be cringing for it. I can certainly understand the complaints though.
Fuck looks like we are going to stick to a standard raiding schedule after patch 3.3. Old content ahoy.
Now i really don't want to continue playing even though they need an spriest for 3.3. I've only been back for a few days and i'm already over it :lol
I really need to try and balance my other gaming with raiding along with RL this time around. Hopefully it won't drive me insane.
Now i really don't want to continue playing even though they need an spriest for 3.3. I've only been back for a few days and i'm already over it :lol
I really need to try and balance my other gaming with raiding along with RL this time around. Hopefully it won't drive me insane.
Tonight our guild leader/MT was busy with work for the evening, so five of us got together to do some vanilla raids for a couple of guys who had never seen the old content. I came out of it with a Red Qiraji Resonating Crystal and the Eye of Sulfuras, and another guy won a BoE epic.
Suffice it to say, I'm feeling lucky.
Suffice it to say, I'm feeling lucky.
traveler said:
This. I'm happy w/ WoW right now, but boredom has set in. I've been in Ulduar since what, April? ToGC loot encouraged us to run the damn thing at least three times a week for iLevel245+ gear. The content is completely stale to me.
evlcookie said:
And this. One night of new content (while the easymode gating is in effect) a week, then two nights of stale content just to keep my spot on the raiding roster isn't worth it to me.
I'm not passing judgement on anyone who's sticking around. Hell, a close RL friend of mine is in my guild and he's not dropping off the raiding squad - I'm certainly not going to give him shit for it.
Johnlenham said:
keeblerdrow said:
Jesus Christ :lol. I know this thread is all hardcore players but WoW is played by casuals too you know. I'll take a look at FFXI.Evlar said:
Thanks man, I'll download that. Hope the camera won't be too hard to set up.evlcookie said:
Johnlenham
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Teetris said:
Id hardly call myself hardcore:lol havent played since Ulduar but more a person with common sense! Why would you want to use a controller and type with the keyboard when you can do it all on the keyboard:lol
I dunno, I just like the compactness of it. Lots of quests at the same time can be tedious with mouse and keyboard for me. Just helps when you're playing with acontroller.Johnlenham said:
I tried that with other games but mouse doesn't seem to translate that well. Was hoping the other program was better with it.markot said:
cubicle47b
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I don't understand why people keep clearing Ulduar just to fill up their raid schedule. After we clear TotGC I'm happy to take the rest of the week off. As soon as ICC hard-modes are released we'll drop TotGC, if not before.
I'm perfectly fine with gating and limited attempts in ICC. The amount of time we spent in Ulduar the first few weeks was ridiculous and I don't want to do something like that again.
I'm perfectly fine with gating and limited attempts in ICC. The amount of time we spent in Ulduar the first few weeks was ridiculous and I don't want to do something like that again.
lol gating haters.
I can see how you "might" have a problem with it if you are one of the world's top guilds... pressured by world firsts (maybe server firsts?)... but outside of that... most of the guilds in the world wouldn't be clearing this instance in the first week....... or even the second. Relax... enjoy the game. There is so much to enjoy in this coming patch... it's gonna keep you busy for a awhile!
I can see how you "might" have a problem with it if you are one of the world's top guilds... pressured by world firsts (maybe server firsts?)... but outside of that... most of the guilds in the world wouldn't be clearing this instance in the first week....... or even the second. Relax... enjoy the game. There is so much to enjoy in this coming patch... it's gonna keep you busy for a awhile!
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
hobart said:
I play mostly during raid times, if all we have is a little bit of a 100% full raid to play then...why can't we be upset?
Imagine if it was any other game, the thing is 100% there they just want to artificially stretch it out so people don't have it done quicker. They want it done on their time so they can stop those people who will do it once and quit until cata.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
So I used my free week last Saturday and have logged on a total of like ten minutes since. Oops.
funkmastergeneral
Banned
hobart said:
It sucks and is a money ploy by Blizzard. I doubt my guild would be able to clear the place in the first few weeks, but if and when we do down Saurfang, I'd like to be able to continue the instance that same week. The fact that people are estimating we won't see Arthas until February is a bit disheartening.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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How are you unable to see that the entire game is like this?LAUGHTREY said:
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It's not necessarily okay, but I see it as Blizzard actually trying to fix a problem.LAUGHTREY said:
A lot of complainers are whining about how there has been nothing new for a long while and now they have to wait even longer. But how could they not see that the gating is there to fix the content lull problem? Now we'll go from Arthas to whatever's next quicker than if Arthas was down in two weeks.
It's a fix made for the complaining, but the complainers have such a "I want it now" mentality that they'll never agree. You can't have it both ways. Either the problem gets fixed and you have to wait a bit now, or it never gets fixed and we'll just have cycles of whining.
If people want to do it just once and quit until Cataclysm their rational course of action is to cancel now and re-up when Arthas is killable, as TomServo is doing. The "they're doing it to keep people trapped in their subscriptions" argument is undermined by the simple logic that nothing Blizzard has done prevents this straightforward method of avoiding paying during the wait. If you don't want to waste money on WoW while ICC is still gated there's no reason whatsoever you must do so.
I tried to come back and start playing again to get my raid slot back for Icecrown, but I'm just bored to tears and stopped playing again. I'll probably wait until Arthas is killable and the other raiders are bored before coming back, I just can't raid like I used to.
It's been great not raiding, as much as I enjoy it. Getting rid of my backlog and having so much more time to do other things has been liberating.
plus too much Dragon Age
It's been great not raiding, as much as I enjoy it. Getting rid of my backlog and having so much more time to do other things has been liberating.
PhoenixDark
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Flib said:
Same here. I've been on a two week break from raiding/playing and I'll come back on saturday. There was a time when not raiding at 9pm would make me feel shitty, and I'd be in the library wondering if the guild was killing Yogg or owning hard modes as I did my homework. But now 9pm goes by and I don't even think about raiding nor do I worry about our recruiting or anything. I should be somewhat recharged for tuesday (well actually, whenever the servers are stable lol) despite the fact that some of my guild's biggest problems will probably be magnified with the release of another big raid
Mainly the problems of being a 10 man progression guild. As I've said before we have 12-14 great players but we're plagued by people having crappy schedules and a lack of depth in roles like tanks and especially healers. I expect this to be better during ICC with people coming back to do new content, but that brings up another problem: we essentially have one consistent group of raiders and everyone else is on their own. We've lost more people than we've recruited for a few months now, and our guild leader has done little to address this. If we don't have a consistent second group for ICC, people are going to start bailing fast. I can understand not letting the average-to-good players do TogC or Ulduar hard modes but for a long ass time they didn't get to do normal ToC either.
Our guild leader struck a deal with the best raid guild on our server, basically allowing us to do ToC 25 mans with their awesome alts lol. I thought it was a great idea, and many people got gear and still are I'm assuming...but he did this because he has "no intention of doing ICC 25 man so its time to get 25 mans out your fucking system." Recruiting could help here but we haven't done much of that. My server consists of like 5 amazing raid guilds, a handful of others that get shit done, and then everyone else; we're at the top of that "handful of others that gets shit done" imo, and in great position to move up to the top tier with better focus and guild leadership.
edit: wow i'm taking a break for WoW and still bitching. smh :lol
Except that most guilds are probably not going to be wild about letting unexperienced players rejoin the fray after sitting out weeks/months of learning.......particularly given that there will be some kind of attempt limit on bosses. If your entire guild signs on for a sabbatical then it's cool but otherwise you look like a freeloader.Evlar said:
I think the number of people that are playing strictly for an Arthas kill has been overstated by raging guild leaders. By the time you even get to that point the scene will have doubtlessly been spoiled 20 times over.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Ulduar is significantly bigger than any raid that existed in BC. The average number of bosses in those dungeons was somewhere around 5.LAUGHTREY said:
I think with 3.3 I'm gonna stick with combat, but spec into the stuff that helps poisons on the assassination tree. I just really like playing combat, it might sound lame but it's like a little treat whenever i see the cooldown for adrenaline rush, blade fury, or killing spree up and getting a huge burst on the boss.
The spec I'll probably use in 3.3, found on MMO Champion:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#fhe00pLZMgVo0cxqru0xRt
The spec I'll probably use in 3.3, found on MMO Champion:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#fhe00pLZMgVo0cxqru0xRt
dave is ok
aztek is ok
:lol
This article is laughable. ToGC Anub'arak doesn't even have the same model as the 5 man version and doesn't share even one ability with him. How is that a "reused" boss? Should they have named him something different?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Huh?Evlar said:
I don't think most of of the classic raid boss kills carried over into the Achievement system.....you had to do that stuff after Achievements were in place. I know people that were in Naxx40, and I see they are missing Achievements for MC, BWL, and AQ.
But yes, I think if there were a way to tell who actually went to Naxx40 people probably wouldn't complain so much that it's been re-used.
But yes, I think if there were a way to tell who actually went to Naxx40 people probably wouldn't complain so much that it's been re-used.
If someone killed C'Thun before that date, they got the achievement for it and didn't go back to just get the achievement. If someone didn't kill C'Thun in vanilla, they certainly did not kill Kel'Thuzad in vanilla.dave is ok said:
Edit: I killed every boss in vanilla up to about 50% through Naxx 1.0. The only achievement I had was C'Thun even though I only killed him once and didn't even get any loot from him. My Warrior was still wearing a weapon from Ragnaros and armor from Nefarion and he didn't get credit for killing either of them.
Am I missing something? Are the raids that much easier than prior instances that downing the first wing in ICC is something feasible the first week it's out? Maybe I'm too old school (although I certainly don't remember Yogg getting downed on my server in 2 weeks time)... but the first week an instance is out you've got a massive amount of lag issues to deal with....... which is as much as a raid killer as a new boss. And, let's get real here, the majority of guilds will have to work awhile before a few of these bosses are completed. Happens in every instance........ and this is before HMs will be implemented.
Everyone's talking like they are going to be smoking this instance in like, 3 hours. I totally understand why you'd certainly want something right now... but c'mon. It's not like I sit down at a restaurant and order my appetizer, entrée and dessert and expect it all at once. Sure I'm paying for it... but I couldn't possibly eat it all in 20 minutes (maybe some of you? hehe).
Everyone's talking like they are going to be smoking this instance in like, 3 hours. I totally understand why you'd certainly want something right now... but c'mon. It's not like I sit down at a restaurant and order my appetizer, entrée and dessert and expect it all at once. Sure I'm paying for it... but I couldn't possibly eat it all in 20 minutes (maybe some of you? hehe).
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You forgot/must have missed the memo; if Ensidia does something, then for all intents and purposes, the content is now "beaten" and whatever your particular guild's progress is is completely irrelevant.hobart said:
hobart said:
It's going to be hilarious when the first "NERF GUNSHIP" posts pop up. Since that fight'll require actual raid coordination along with individual thought. Nevermind how much trouble the vampire lady boss will cause folks as the one or two weak links that most guilds have come back to haunt them.:lol
Yah. I feel like everyone thinks they are Ensidia or Death and Taxes... or whomever.
Now... 10m gripes I can actually understand. 10 manning is a lot easier than 25 manning by a long shot. As someone who's completed a Dedicated Insanity run (well, ok... guildmate was wearing the wrong belt!!! Fuck you achievements!)... I can see myself being a little miffed that we'll only be able to run at one wing in ICC. But, hey... gives me more time to explore the new 5 man instances!
But, 25m? C'mon guys... understand that not everyone is good enough to down this content so quickly. I know my guild isn't.
Now... 10m gripes I can actually understand. 10 manning is a lot easier than 25 manning by a long shot. As someone who's completed a Dedicated Insanity run (well, ok... guildmate was wearing the wrong belt!!! Fuck you achievements!)... I can see myself being a little miffed that we'll only be able to run at one wing in ICC. But, hey... gives me more time to explore the new 5 man instances!
But, 25m? C'mon guys... understand that not everyone is good enough to down this content so quickly. I know my guild isn't.
It's really amazing the drop-off in quality from my raidgroup from the 10-man to the 25-man. We're part of a raid alliance and our 10-mans are outstanding, but when we combine with a couple other 10-man runs, there's like 3 or 4 absolutely awful people. It's not so much dps(although the DK who does 3k dps in 245 gear is pretty putrid), but situational awareness that I have no clue how they handle 10-man content.
Like, to this day I still have no clue how anyone can be hit by Icehowl's charge or Ony's deep breath. It seems almost impossible to me. Maybe I'm trained too much to GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY.
Like, to this day I still have no clue how anyone can be hit by Icehowl's charge or Ony's deep breath. It seems almost impossible to me. Maybe I'm trained too much to GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY.
http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Fives-the-Paladin-Hates-the-Blues/Six-Words-that-Terrify-Blizzard
I forget who posted that article, but it's spot-on.
The final paragraph is amazing.
"Icecrown is the pinnacle of Warcraft. It's the connection from the end of Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, to World of Warcraft. It's what many people picked up wow to see. Ironically, it's also the pinnacle of Activision's taking over of Blizzard, and turning it into the cash focused beast it is. We've got race changes and faction changes for cash. Vanity pets for cash (which Blizzard is so big about, they give half the money to charity. Half. I guess the other half has to feed their kids, right? Without that panderan, kids all over california whose parents work for Blizzard would starve. Please, either go all-in with charity, or don't bother. It just makes you look duplicitous.). Now we have Arthas *****d out for maximum return. The irony is a bit cheesy, and maybe somewhat obvious, but Icecrown represents a once good entity finally succumbing to a greater power it swore it could control, thus becoming that which was feared most. Blizzard has succumbed to Activision, and it's not long before we won't recognize the former anymore.
That's right Blizzard, you're the Lich King."
I forget who posted that article, but it's spot-on.
The final paragraph is amazing.
"Icecrown is the pinnacle of Warcraft. It's the connection from the end of Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, to World of Warcraft. It's what many people picked up wow to see. Ironically, it's also the pinnacle of Activision's taking over of Blizzard, and turning it into the cash focused beast it is. We've got race changes and faction changes for cash. Vanity pets for cash (which Blizzard is so big about, they give half the money to charity. Half. I guess the other half has to feed their kids, right? Without that panderan, kids all over california whose parents work for Blizzard would starve. Please, either go all-in with charity, or don't bother. It just makes you look duplicitous.). Now we have Arthas *****d out for maximum return. The irony is a bit cheesy, and maybe somewhat obvious, but Icecrown represents a once good entity finally succumbing to a greater power it swore it could control, thus becoming that which was feared most. Blizzard has succumbed to Activision, and it's not long before we won't recognize the former anymore.
That's right Blizzard, you're the Lich King."
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
That guy really has no idea what he's talking about. All of the Activision finger-pointing is laughable.
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