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[funkmastergeneral]

that Gearscore shit really pissing me off too. I came back after not playing for several months, and all my gear was top of the line back then, but now I got a shitty 4.4k GS and all the pugs require a 5.1k + Used to be you just tell them your stats and stuff, but now its all about the gearscore...

I hate it. People in my guild are constantly talking about gear scores as if they matter. I currently am using a couple ilevel 226 items that are much better itemized for my enhancement shaman then some 245 pieces I have sitting in the bank, and it hurts my gear score, and take shit from some of the other dps in the guild =/

so dumb.

 

[J-Rzez]

No, I'm not bad even if you think Hunter pets and DK Pets work the same and are wrong.

The ghouls aren't really an active pet class; The only thing you really need to do is move them out of big explosions, and even then, they have 90% AoE avoidance. The only real ability they have is Gnaw, which doesn't work on Raid bosses. Controlling the pet actively is only really a necessity in PvP when you want Gnaw as an interrupt.

Feel free to ask any of the other Unholy DKs how often they actually micromanage what the ghoul is doing. Put him on defensive, and turn Leap on and off depending on what you are doing and that is all.

Pretty much. Ghouls are fire and forget. I don't even leave leap on to save that 10 energy off the bat.

Now, in Arena, sure you have to play around with them more, but certainly not in PVE.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I hate it. People in my guild are constantly talking about gear scores as if they matter. I currently am using a couple ilevel 226 items that are much better itemized for my enhancement shaman then some 245 pieces I have sitting in the bank, and it hurts my gear score, and take shit from some of the other dps in the guild =/

so dumb.

Still has Greatness card, ilvl 200, here. :lol Hell, I've got, Greatness Card, and Needle-Encrusted Scorpion. :lol

Deathbringer Saurfang's Rune of Blood has been modified to heal 10 times the amount of damage dealt instead of 5 times the damage. This will make the encounter more difficult if you try to tank Saurfang with just one character. The tooltip does not reflect this change, but it will in a future patch.

=O

 

[FLEABttn]

Gearscore was definitely one of the dumber things introduced into WoW. It's leading to the mentality that you need to have a lot of the gear from the current raid in order to do the current raid.

Couple of examples: I've heard from people with full t9 alts with the rest of their gear being 219+ getting thrown out of ToC10 because they're "undergeared". Personally we had a couple minor issues last week with trying to get a last person to plug a hole and a number of the people told us we were too under geared for ICC10, despite having a raid of about ilvl 232 people. Back in the day, if you had a character full of BWL epics, you were geared enough AQ40. These days you can have full ToC10 gear and people will tell you that you aren't geared enough for ICC10.

Nobody these days has any correct concept of tiered content and progression.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Gearscore was definitely one of the dumber things introduced into WoW. It's leading to the mentality that you need to have a lot of the gear from the current raid in order to do the current raid.

Couple of examples: I've heard from people with full t9 alts with the rest of their gear being 219+ getting thrown out of ToC10 because they're "undergeared". Personally we had a couple minor issues last week with trying to get a last person to plug a hole and a number of the people told us we were too under geared for ICC10, despite having a raid of about ilvl 232 people. Back in the day, if you had a character full of BWL epics, you were geared enough AQ40. These days you can have full ToC10 gear and people will tell you that you aren't geared enough for ICC10.

Nobody these days has any correct concept of tiered content and progression.

It's mostly because nobody makes any friends outside of their own guilds so nobody actually knows anyone else. To be fair, if you had full Blackwing Lair epics, you probably were in a guild, and if you weren't you probably were wanted because no guild wanted to have to gear up another damn guy. :lol

 

[Yaweee]

Angry Grimace mentioned some of the changes:

The list of this round of changes include:

* Ionar, in the Halls of Lightning, will now only disperse once during the course of the fight.
* Prophet Tharon'Ja of Drak'Tharon will now only steal your flesh one time during the encounter.
* Players with the quest "Wrath of the Lich King" will now properly receive quest credit.
* Muradin and Saurfang will no longer gain stacks of Battlefury from totems. Additionally, the duration of Battlefury has also been reduced.
* Lord Marrowgar is now tauntable.
* The Looking For Group item level requirement for Halls of Reflection has been raised to match the difficulty of the encounters.
* Deathbringer Saurfang's Rune of Blood has been modified to heal 10 times the amount of damage dealt instead of 5 times the damage. This will make the encounter more difficult if you try to tank Saurfang with just one character. The tooltip does not reflect this change, but it will in a future patch.

The first two are great changes which make their respective instances less tiresome. Now Violet Hold needs a "Fast forward" item to instantly spawn the next wave without waiting, the Brann escort in Halls of Stone needs to be shortened, and Oculus... needs to be less Oculusy. I've gotten it three or four times now and every group quit before the dragon part.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Angry Grimace mentioned some of the changes:


The first two are great changes which make their respective instances less tiresome. Now Violet Hold needs a "Fast forward" item to instantly spawn the next wave without waiting, the Brann escort in Halls of Stone needs to be shortened, and Oculus... needs to be less Oculusy.

Meh, I'm not sure I get the concept of making them easier. If you're going to do that, those phases need to be harder, yes, even in a heroic that everyone facerolls. All you do during Steal Flesh is stand there spamming 1 and 4 and not dying even if you stand in poison clouds the whole time and Ionar's disperse is just annoying because the sparks don't even really do that much damage.

Regarding Halls of Reflection, I got randomed into there when I was randoming as a tank =/

Regardless of how annoying it is, at the least my character is a Paladin and therefore is totally overpowered for that particular instance. We escaped the LK by the skin of our teeth though :lol although I can't really take credit for the DPS being slow.

I laugh at people skipping Oculus. It's no longer any harder than even Violet Hold because the drakes are freakin' invincible now.

 

[J-Rzez]

Another example of the failure that is gear score is look at the people who use the Greatness deck trinket. That has just recently really been changed in 25 ToC, and if you don't have access to said gear, it's still one of the best for you. But gear score will see it as a 200iLvl and laugh at you.

 

[Angry Grimace]

They also need an option that disallows people who are not in the "tank" roll to need roll over the tank. You don't need a special "Offspec" roll, just don't let people who aren't tanks win items that have Defense on them on need rolls if the tank rolls Need also. I'm getting tired of random Warriors sniping my shit in ICC-5.

 

[Yaweee]

Meh, I'm not sure I get the concept of making them easier. If you're going to do that, those phases need to be harder, yes, even in a heroic that everyone facerolls. All you do during Steal Flesh is stand there spamming 1 and 4 and not dying even if you stand in poison clouds the whole time and Ionar's disperse is just annoying because the sparks don't even really do that much damage.

Regarding Halls of Reflection, I got randomed into there when I was randoming as a tank =/

Regardless of how annoying it is, at the least my character is a Paladin and therefore is totally overpowered for that particular instance. We escaped the LK by the skin of our teeth though :lol although I can't really take credit for the DPS being slow.

I laugh at people skipping Oculus. It's no longer any harder than even Violet Hold because the drakes are freakin' invincible now.

The problem with the changes aren't the difficulty, but rather the tedium. That lightning boss in HoL would break apart literally one second after forming. Same with the Steal Flesh; there's lpretty much no risk of wiping in those encounters with even one or two decently geared people, but having the "alternate" phases happen so many times in a row is annoying.

I try telling people they nerfed the Oculus, but everybody leaves =(

 

[traveler]

They also need an option that disallows people who are not in the "tank" roll to need roll over the tank. You don't need a special "Offspec" roll, just don't let people who aren't tanks win items that have Defense on them on need rolls if the tank rolls Need also. I'm getting tired of random Warriors sniping my shit in ICC-5.

They need an offspec option period. I stuck with a rough H FoS group yesterday because I was the only one in the group whose main spec could use the Scorpion. (Looking to replace my Mirror of Truth) We down the Devourer finally, only to have both the tank and an ele shammy roll need on the trink when it drops. Ele shammy wins.

:/

 

[Yaweee]

They need an offspec option period. I stuck with a rough H FoS group yesterday because I was the only one in the group whose main spec could use the Scorpion. (Looking to replace my Mirror of Truth) We down the Devourer finally, only to have both the tank and an ele shammy roll need on the trink when it drops. Ele shammy wins.

:/

Ideally, the loot rules would have three tiers:

Need (Main Spec)
Need (Off-Spec)/(Lesser Armor Type)
Greed <-> Disenchant

 

[Johnlenham]

Another example of the failure that is gear score is look at the people who use the Greatness deck trinket. That has just recently really been changed in 25 ToC, and if you don't have access to said gear, it's still one of the best for you. But gear score will see it as a 200iLvl and laugh at you.

Wait what? Greatness is awesome and those people can go fuck themselves :lol

Saying that im still stuck with Grimtoll for the Hit and that makes me want to cry :lol

Ooohh I can freee char transfer to the other role play servers (Dark moon which I moved from and some other one)

 

[C.Dark.DN]

I felt that loot council worked well in guilds.

I know you are discussing pugs probably. I would decide on a fair structure beforehand. People s want to rush through things and their is always fairness complaints.

 

[funkmastergeneral]

They need an offspec option period. I stuck with a rough H FoS group yesterday because I was the only one in the group whose main spec could use the Scorpion. (Looking to replace my Mirror of Truth) We down the Devourer finally, only to have both the tank and an ele shammy roll need on the trink when it drops. Ele shammy wins.

:/

Meh, cry more. A lot of us are running these heroics exclusively for offspec gear, so to make it so we can't roll on it will stop a lot of people from running them.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

No, I'm not bad even if you think Hunter pets and DK Pets work the same and are wrong.

The ghouls aren't really an active pet class; The only thing you really need to do is move them out of big explosions, and even then, they have 90% AoE avoidance. The only real ability they have is Gnaw, which doesn't work on Raid bosses. Controlling the pet actively is only really a necessity in PvP when you want Gnaw as an interrupt.

Feel free to ask any of the other Unholy DKs how often they actually micromanage what the ghoul is doing. Put him on defensive, and turn Leap on and off depending on what you are doing and that is all.

Off the top of my head, since I don't play a Unholy DK or Hunter, I can think of at least 3 fights in togc alone where if you don't make sure your pet is where it needs to be and having it attack what you attack instead of just sort of fire-and-forgetting it.

We always put ranged on snobolds on gormok, so if hunters aren't switching they get yelled at.

When portals and volcanos spawn on Jaraxxus if people don't switch their pets they usually get replaced.

If hunters and DKs have their pets on something that's supposed to be CC'd on champions then they usually get replaced. It happens a lot too.

So yeah if you're just putting them on defensive and ignoring them after that, you know you're bad.

 

[vehn]

I felt that loot council worked well in guilds.

I know you are discussing pugs probably. I would decide on a fair structure beforehand. People s want to rush through things and their is always fairness complaints.

yeah loot council worked for the guilds i was in in classic

 

[Angry Grimace]

Off the top of my head, since I don't play a Unholy DK or Hunter, I can think of at least 3 fights in togc alone where if you don't make sure your pet is where it needs to be and having it attack what you attack instead of just sort of fire-and-forgetting it.

We always put ranged on snobolds on gormok, so if hunters aren't switching they get yelled at.

When portals and volcanos spawn on Jaraxxus if people don't switch their pets they usually get replaced.

If hunters and DKs have their pets on something that's supposed to be CC'd on champions then they usually get replaced. It happens a lot too.

So yeah if you're just putting them on defensive and ignoring them after that, you know you're bad.

:lol :lol :lol lmao

Putting your pet on Defensive IS attack what you attack-mode, dumbass. That is what the mode does by definition, bro. :lol

 

[Bisnic]

For you people who have tanks, what do you think would be best?

Ick's Rotting Thumb
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50235

or

Figurine - Monarch Crab
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44063

With all the gems i've put in the figurine, i've got +138 stamina, +10 hit and +300 dodge rating every minute for 10 seconds. While the Rotting Thumb gives me 113 dodge rating and 4104 extra health every 3 mins... It almost seems like my JC trinket is STILL better than this ilvl 232 tanking trinket. =/ Sure the epic one give more health, but that's like only once every 3 mins for 15 seconds.

 

[Johnlenham]

:lol :lol :lol lmao

Putting your pet on Defensive IS attack what you attack-mode, dumbass. That is what the mode does by definition, bro. :lol

Er im pretty sure hes right. If I send my pet at gormack or whatever and I switch to shoot kobos, my pet will remain on the boss unless I click attack on my pet to make him change to the kobo.
Its attack what you attack for the first shot of the fight. After that its down to you to move him or leave him whatever floats your boat.
Didnt realize Toc was such serious businesses mind you :lol

 

[Angry Grimace]

Er im pretty sure hes right. If I send my pet at gormack or whatever and I switch to shoot kobos, my pet will remain on the boss unless I click attack on my pet to make him change to the kobo.
Its attack what you attack for the first shot of the fight. After that its down to you to move him or leave him whatever floats your boat.
Didnt realize Toc was such serious businesses mind you :lol

Pets don't do that unless you have them in passive mode, which requires you to manually manage everything the pet does. This makes more sense for hunters because hunter pets actually have attacks. Ghouls have Claw, attack and gnaw, all of which have the same effect as a melee attack.

Death Knight ghouls in defensive attack whatever the Death Knight is targeting and hostile toward, i.e. if you change targets, it will not attack until you take an aggressive action towards that mob, and will continue to attack it's previous target. The examples he used are terrible because if the Death Knight was attacking those mobs, the ghoul would already be attacking those mobs also.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

Rankings and Gearscore aren't really related at all. One is an outside source of voluntary competition, the other is... well it's kinda what one would expect from the WoW community after Blizzard made a couple of encounters/achievements that depend specifically on the ilvl of your gear.

Off the top of my head, since I don't play a Unholy DK or Hunter, I can think of at least 3 fights in togc alone where if you don't make sure your pet is where it needs to be and having it attack what you attack inste...

Yea I have no idea what you are talking about. Pets stick with whatever the melee is doing, anything else is retarded.

 

[Johnlenham]

Pets don't do that unless you have them in passive mode, which requires you to manually manage everything the pet does. This makes more sense for hunters because hunter pets actually have attacks. Ghouls have Claw, attack and gnaw, all of which have the same effect as a melee attack.

Death Knight ghouls in defensive attack whatever the Death Knight is targeting and hostile toward, i.e. if you change targets, it will not attack until you take an aggressive action towards that mob, and will continue to attack it's previous target. The examples he used are terrible because if the Death Knight was attacking those mobs, the ghoul would already be attacking those mobs also.

Well there you go learn something new everyday!

 

[Angry Grimace]

For you people who have tanks, what do you think would be best?

Ick's Rotting Thumb
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50235

or

Figurine - Monarch Crab
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44063

With all the gems i've put in the figurine, i've got +138 stamina, +10 hit and +300 dodge rating every minute for 10 seconds. While the Rotting Thumb gives me 113 dodge rating and 4104 extra health every 3 mins... It almost seems like my JC trinket is STILL better than this ilvl 232 tanking trinket. =/ Sure the epic one give more health, but that's like only once every 3 mins for 15 seconds.

I like Ick's thumb better, but it really depends on a lot of things, i.e. what you are trying to tank. If you're trying to tank raid bosses more difficult than say, Auriaya, I can't really recommend stacking avoidance over raw health. If you don't have access to raid drops, I personally prefer a stam trink, i.e. Black Heart (item level be damned, it's proc is nice, and the stam is awesome, although Brewfest trinks are good if you've got 'em) coupled with something like Glyph of Indominability (although it's a personal choice whether you stick either a mitigation trink like the Glyph or use an avoidance one like Rotting Thumb).

 

[J-Rzez]

Who pulls their ghouls off the boss onto snobolds? That's the ranged's job anyways. It's also common sense to not have them attack CC'd mobs too.

 

[Bisnic]

I like Ick's thumb better, but it really depends on a lot of things, i.e. what you are trying to tank. If you're trying to tank raid bosses more difficult than say, Auriaya, I can't really recommend stacking avoidance over raw health. If you don't have access to raid drops, I personally prefer a stam trink, i.e. Black Heart (item level be damned, it's proc is nice, and the stam is awesome, although Brewfest trinks are good if you've got 'em) coupled with something like Glyph of Indominability (although it's a personal choice whether you stick either a mitigation trink like the Glyph or use an avoidance one like Rotting Thumb).

I really don't do raids much with my prot warrior. I'm not in a raiding guild, and pugs have little patience over tanks that have no experience in raid bosses. I think the only raid bosses i've tanked were in TOC 10 and Onyxia 10 and that's only because the people were nice enough to give me a chance. So i pretty much just tank heroics with him.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Who pulls their ghouls off the boss onto snobolds? That's the ranged's job anyways. It's also common sense to not have them attack CC'd mobs too.

He was referring to Hunters (and warlocks) without considering that Death Knights are a melee class and wouldn't switch to those targets. I think he also doesn't understand how pets work and thought that the ghoul would just attack whatever it wanted to unless you actively ordered it not to. If your ghoul breaks CC, you have to actively order it to do so in the first place by attacking it yourself (not to mention that even if we assumed that the pet was reacting to aggro by attacking it's master, CC'd mobs are not considered to be attacking - check the aggro alerts to see this).

You really do just put the ghoul on Defensive and forget it 95% of the time. It's not any more complicated than that unless you're in PvP and/or need to time the stun (which is on a 1m cooldown anyways).

 

[1up]

Grinded out to Honored for the epic arrows. Someone was trying to sell them on the AH for 150 for 1000. No freaking way I was going to pay that much money.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Grinded out to Honored for the epic arrows. Someone was trying to sell them on the AH for 150 for 1000. No freaking way I was going to pay that much money.

They have gotten much cheaper on my realm. Once more than three guys get them, the windfall's all over :lol

 

[Magnus]

I'm so glad my server's somehow escaped the gearscore madness. I don't even know which add-on scores you, and have only encountered one person who had it, and he was only using it as a joke for a day or two.

Haven't encountered it in pugs or cross-realm dungeon runs since 3.3 either.

Does everyone just assume you're alright if you have an orange? :lol

 

[Angry Grimace]

I'm so glad my server's somehow escaped the gearscore madness. I don't even know which add-on scores you, and have only encountered one person who had it, and he was only using it as a joke for a day or two.

Haven't encountered it in pugs or cross-realm dungeon runs since 3.3 either.

Does everyone just assume you're alright if you have an orange? :lol

Meh, nobody does anything in heroics anyways because you can't kick someone for 5 or so minutes anyways so most of the time, people just go. I never have gotten a comment on GS either, but at the least I have it active to know what kind of healing I will be getting and how defensive I should be in pulling.

Another addon I keep active is Rankwatch, which triggers ALL THE TIME. I had a 5250 GS Restoration Shaman keep triggering this with Rank 1 Riptide (I thought it might have been an Ele in offspec, but they rolled on Enh items too), to which I commented and they just denied it and changed it on their bars after that.

I've already taken to Paladin chain pulling when I know I can get away with it. I went ahead to get my group Hadronox Denied! without even really telling them I was going to do it just because I knew the group would able to breeze through it, but I thought I somehow despawned the boss since it wasn't attacking me anymore, but it turns out they just AoE'd the adds down instantaneously and blew the boss away in like 12 seconds. :lol Heroics are silly. Even my "crappy" Tank gear is blatantly overgearing these instances.

 

[traveler]

Meh, cry more. A lot of us are running these heroics exclusively for offspec gear, so to make it so we can't roll on it will stop a lot of people from running them.

Fine with me if that is declared beforehand. They had previously rolled on ele and tanking items and neither had said a word of "I'll be rolling dps main spec."

 

[keeblerdrow]

Ionar, in the Halls of Lightning, will now only disperse once during the course of the fight.

Ionar, in the Halls of Lightning, will now only disperse once during the course of the fight.

Ionar, in the Halls of Lightning, will now only disperse once during the course of the fight.

Ionar, in the Halls of Lightning, will now only disperse once during the course of the fight.

Ionar, in the Halls of Lightning, will now only disperse once during the course of the fight.

Ionar, in the Halls of Lightning, will now only disperse once during the course of the fight.

Ionar, in the Halls of Lightning, will now only disperse once during the course of the fight.

Oh thank god. That's gotta be the most annoying part of the instance.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Fine with me if that is declared beforehand. They had previously rolled on ele and tanking items and neither had said a word of "I'll be rolling dps main spec."

The best counter to this is of course, I'll be rolling healing offspec.

Even if you're a hunter.

In this case, don't worry, you're a hunter; it's expected.

 

[1up]

I swear Lady Deathwhisper better drop her bow on 10 this week. This Ulduar 25 Bow is holding back my dps. Jarraxxus hasn't dropped his bow from 25 ToC in months and neither has Onyxia. I'm rocking 25 ToC gear with freaking a now 5 man Heroric dps bow.

Its the saddest thing ever.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Wow, I didn't know that had changed. When I used to raid as a hunter defensive stance meant literally that; i.e. defend me if something attacks me. I was about to post my confusion until Google saved me:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454385544&sid=1

We recently changed the way defensive stance works for pets. In the old design, the pet would not attack a target that you were attacking until it did something to generate threat - typically attacking you. In the new design, as soon as you attack a target, the pet will attack the target too. Our thinking was that this made defensive a little easier to use and you still have passive to override that behavior.

I really need to level my hunter. Anyone had any experience with low 70s random LFG? I can't be bothered with another Northrend run, and want to save AV until around 76.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I swear Lady Deathwhisper better drop her bow on 10 this week. This Ulduar 25 Bow is holding back my dps. Jarraxxus hasn't dropped his bow from 25 ToC in months and neither has Onyxia. I'm rocking 25 ToC gear with freaking a now 5 man Heroric dps bow.

Its the saddest thing ever.

/tar 1up
/pet

Speaking of Lady Deathwhisper, on 10m she is far, far too easy. It's vaguely like Kel'thuzad, but even easier (assuming you are at the right gear level of course). I mean, three adds that die in 10 seconds each? Oh no.

Wow, I didn't know that had changed. When I used to raid as a hunter defensive stance meant literally that; i.e. defend me if something attacks me. I was about to post my confusion until Google saved me:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454385544&sid=1



I really need to level my hunter. Anyone had any experience with low 70s random LFG? I can't be bothered with another Northrend run, and want to save AV until around 76.

Yeah, I think it's been like that since the pre-Wrath patch.

 

[Tamanon]

Oh thank god. That's gotta be the most annoying part of the instance.

Yeah, I'm happy they changed that, the disperse used to at least make you think, now it was just split up, get back and have him immediately disperse again.

 

[Tamanon]

/tar 1up
/pet

Speaking of Lady Deathwhisper, on 10m she is far, far too easy. It's vaguely like Kel'thuzad, but even easier (assuming you are at the right gear level of course). I mean, three adds that die in 10 seconds each? Oh no.

Yeah, at first we tried the 25-man method and split dps, but then we just focus fired with the whole group on the adds, and had about 30 seconds of boss time on each wave.:lol

 

[Johnlenham]

Fail pug on the halls of reflection. ugh really cant be arsed to play my hunter anymore my gears all over the shop (ilvl200- 236) and I need to do more Toc25 for gear and balls to it.

Back to grinding to 80 with the DK :lol

 

[Xabora]

probably on same lame site like www.wow-heroes.com. It's just part of the annoying gearscore fad.

Yeah.
But I also like this: http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=us.undermine.ardhavara
I like wowhead slightly better than wow heroes for the gear layout.

I normally will rag on the person hard in the group talking NONSTOP about gearscore.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I'd also like to add that Lady Deathwhisper has the worst Voice actor ever, and on top of that, she talks SO. FUCKING. MUCH. when you get up into her little balcony.

 

[Tamanon]

I never even think about gearscore. If it's heroics, you're going to get overgeared and you're going to get undergeared folks. Heroics are how you gear up. I just look at the tank's HP when starting and decide how much HoTting on the first pull I'll start with.:lol

 

[J-Rzez]

You really do just put the ghoul on Defensive and forget it 95% of the time. It's not any more complicated than that unless you're in PvP and/or need to time the stun (which is on a 1m cooldown anyways).

Yeah, I can't even count off the top of my head how many times I put the ghoul on passive anymore.

Now that CC is back in the game, it's fun to watch the people who are newer to the game that don't understand how to pull on CC, or those who CC stuff in a pack with the tanks watching it getting broken all the time. Partially, that's the tanks problem for not pulling the mobs away, partially those casting the CC.

Another thing I hope they fix is the downtime before you have to fight Saurfang if you're unlucky enough to wipe due to your main guildies not being on and you have to bring in lesser geared people :lol.

After all this time they fixed those two boss fights with dispersion and rend/remove flesh. So annoying, especially when you're farming with geared people and you just keep triggering them into those modes because you blow them up so fast.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

Heh, I was wondering why we only got skele'd once this morning. And here I thought the group was just awesome.

Still haven't seen any CC used since patch. Guess things just vary from battlegroup to battlegroup. Unless you are talking about ICC raid or something?

 

[Angry Grimace]

Yeah, I can't even count off the top of my head how many times I put the ghoul on passive anymore.

Now that CC is back in the game, it's fun to watch the people who are newer to the game that don't understand how to pull on CC, or those who CC stuff in a pack with the tanks watching it getting broken all the time. Partially, that's the tanks problem for not pulling the mobs away, partially those casting the CC.

Another thing I hope they fix is the downtime before you have to fight Saurfang if you're unlucky enough to wipe due to your main guildies not being on and you have to bring in lesser geared people :lol.

After all this time they fixed those two boss fights with dispersion and rend/remove flesh. So annoying, especially when you're farming with geared people and you just keep triggering them into those modes because you blow them up so fast.

Every once in a while, I'll use a Turn Evil in HoR (+ Repentance if I'm Ret), but for the most part, CC isn't back :lol

Haven't gotten to Saurfang yet as we had to discontinue the raid this week due to illness on Tuesday and we didn't raid last week.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Ah drama. Anyone who reads WoW.com might have seen something recently about a guild feud over epeen going server-wide, with the horde side of the equation declaring that WG is theirs. That's my realm! The e-thug epeen posts on the forum are gold.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Heh, I was wondering why we only got skele'd once this morning. And here I thought the group was just awesome.

Still haven't seen any CC used since patch. Guess things just vary from battlegroup to battlegroup. Unless you are talking about ICC raid or something?

I'm not sure how much CC is required in there either. Unless it's substantially different on 25 man, of course.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

:lol :lol :lol lmao

Putting your pet on Defensive IS attack what you attack-mode, dumbass. That is what the mode does by definition, bro. :lol

If you really think defensive means it won't attack until YOU attack, and not what it actually does which is attack whatever attacks you first OR whatever you attack first and then just sticks to that target like glue unless told otherwise.


So you start the faction champs fight and you get hit by the warlock which is going to be CC'd the whole fight and your ghoul goes immediatly for it since you're still running in and breaks all the CC on it. Or in the middle of faction champions the target you and your ghoul is on dies and something that is being CC'd hits you between CCs and your ghoul goes straight for it, and since you don't even pay attention it breaks all the CC put on that target from now on.


But yeah, you're right. You don't even have to pay attention to your pets at all, because that makes sense from just about every standpoint, just put something in the game that you don't even need to pay attention to or control at all to do a good chunk of your damage for you. That makes complete sense. Why do they even have an attack button on the pet bar anymore?


Yeaaaah you don't know what you're talking about, so go ahead and think what you want, I don't care. You wouldn't make it in any of my raids though.

 

[kinoki]

Yeah.
But I also like this: http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=us.undermine.ardhavara
I like wowhead slightly better than wow heroes for the gear layout.

I normally will rag on the person hard in the group talking NONSTOP about gearscore.

I just checked my gearscore for the first time ever now that you linked that. 3052. Is that good?