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[Retro]

Here's the Non-Epic Cowadin Mount:

And the Epic, since we're on a new page and it's worth seeing again:

 

[SiegfriedFM]

I noted that there's an Alliance flag in Moonbrook. Does this mean the Defias are over and done with? Then what about Northshire? You can't really kill Defias members there then.

In general, what will happen to the old dungeons? I mean, they can't just sit around and pretend that nothing happened. I'm expecting most of the lvl 60 dungeons will be repurposed, either at other levels (like Dire Maul was a 60 dungeon in a 40 zone) or simply as a questing place.

For example, if WPL has been reclaimed and the Scourge long since driven out of the area, why would Scholomance still be operating? And how can Scarlet Monastery still be Scarlet when the Crusade have all been destroyed?

On the other hand, they'd have to redesign everything, fill it with new mobs and make up good reasons why these "conquered" places are suddenly important again. They might just leave them as is.

It's gonna be interesting, that's for sure.

 

[sykoex]

I noted that there's an Alliance flag in Moonbrook. Does this mean the Defias are over and done with? Then what about Northshire? You can't really kill Defias members there then.

In general, what will happen to the old dungeons? I mean, they can't just sit around and pretend that nothing happened. I'm expecting most of the lvl 60 dungeons will be repurposed, either at other levels (like Dire Maul was a 60 dungeon in a 40 zone) or simply as a questing place.

For example, if WPL has been reclaimed and the Scourge long since driven out of the area, why would Scholomance still be operating? And how can Scarlet Monastery still be Scarlet when the Crusade have all been destroyed?

On the other hand, they'd have to redesign everything, fill it with new mobs and make up good reasons why these "conquered" places are suddenly important again. They might just leave them as is.

It's gonna be interesting, that's for sure.

Well for moonbrook they'll probably change the lore to something like "Hey we fortified this town but we still need your help clearing out what's left of the Defias in the mines!"

I think there'll be just enough of the old lore left for each of the vanilla dungeons to still make sense.

 

[CassSept]

I guess there is some reason they are doing lvl 85 heroic Deadmines, outside of "We want to bring VanCleef back". Maybe it has something to do with new lore concerning Westfall?

 

[water_wendi]

I noted that there's an Alliance flag in Moonbrook. Does this mean the Defias are over and done with? Then what about Northshire? You can't really kill Defias members there then.

In general, what will happen to the old dungeons? I mean, they can't just sit around and pretend that nothing happened. I'm expecting most of the lvl 60 dungeons will be repurposed, either at other levels (like Dire Maul was a 60 dungeon in a 40 zone) or simply as a questing place.

For example, if WPL has been reclaimed and the Scourge long since driven out of the area, why would Scholomance still be operating? And how can Scarlet Monastery still be Scarlet when the Crusade have all been destroyed?

On the other hand, they'd have to redesign everything, fill it with new mobs and make up good reasons why these "conquered" places are suddenly important again. They might just leave them as is.

It's gonna be interesting, that's for sure.

What i want to know is what happens if you dont get Cataclysm? Are just the new zones locked out? Is Cat going to be mandatory? If so, will it include TBC and WotLK or will there be areas to level 60-80 that dont include Outland or Northrend?

 

[speedpop]

What i want to know is what happens if you dont get Cataclysm? Are just the new zones locked out? Is Cat going to be mandatory? If so, will it include TBC and WotLK or will there be areas to level 60-80 that dont include Outland or Northrend?

As far as what has been said everything that happens in Cataclysm for Kalimdor & Eastern Kingdoms as it stands will be what everyone else sees. The new 80+ zones will be locked out, as well as the new races.

 

[Tamanon]

What i want to know is what happens if you dont get Cataclysm? Are just the new zones locked out? Is Cat going to be mandatory? If so, will it include TBC and WotLK or will there be areas to level 60-80 that dont include Outland or Northrend?

The old zones will be changed, and will be able to be used by non-Cataclysm buyers. You will still have to go to Outland/Northrend for 60-80. And you won't have access to the new zones or the races.

 

[sykoex]

I'm wondering how they'll lock out the new zones for people that don't have Cataclysm. In the alpha, with Hyjal, you can fly right in from a Vanilla zone, no loading or anything. But if you try to enter Twilight Highlands from Wetlands, there's an invisible wall, you can see the zone perfectly fine, you just can't get in.



BTW here's the alpha command to get to Skywall:

.go 657 -420 -50 730

 

[Tamanon]

I'm wondering how they'll lock out the new zones for people that don't have Cataclysm. In the alpha, with Hyjal, you can fly right in from a Vanilla zone, no loading or anything. But if you try to enter Twilight Highlands from Wetlands, there's an invisible wall, you can see the zone perfectly fine, you just can't get in.

I assume they'll probably use the same technique as when you're in raid dungeon without being in a raid, have a message pop up and port you back to the nearest inn/graveyard.

 

[firex]

I noted that there's an Alliance flag in Moonbrook. Does this mean the Defias are over and done with? Then what about Northshire? You can't really kill Defias members there then.

In general, what will happen to the old dungeons? I mean, they can't just sit around and pretend that nothing happened. I'm expecting most of the lvl 60 dungeons will be repurposed, either at other levels (like Dire Maul was a 60 dungeon in a 40 zone) or simply as a questing place.

For example, if WPL has been reclaimed and the Scourge long since driven out of the area, why would Scholomance still be operating? And how can Scarlet Monastery still be Scarlet when the Crusade have all been destroyed?

On the other hand, they'd have to redesign everything, fill it with new mobs and make up good reasons why these "conquered" places are suddenly important again. They might just leave them as is.

It's gonna be interesting, that's for sure.

There's a blue post on MMO Champion from a week or two ago where they basically said all the old dungeons are also getting redesigned/readjusted so they fit with the redone zones. I think mostly that just means they will be adjusted to reflect the new level of the zones and will still exist as dungeons.

 

[Entropia]

My alpha client is downloading right now. A legitimate one.

 

[FLEABttn]

My alpha client is downloading right now. A legitimate one.

If that means you got a key, you're a lucky SOB.

I bet the server is unstable as hell though.

 

[strem]

My alpha client is downloading right now. A legitimate one.

We all hate u now

 

[CassSept]

Well, legitimate alpha clients are around the net since yesterday. Only problem is that if you do get it, pretty much all you can do is datamine it (unless you can set up sandbox server).

 

[borghe]

Well, legitimate alpha clients are around the net since yesterday. Only problem is that if you do get it, pretty much all you can do is datamine it (unless you can set up sandbox server).

pretty sure he means that he's in the F&F alpha.. in which case he can do a ton more than datamine

 

[CassSept]

But he can't really (legally) leak anything :<

 

[Entropia]

Means I get to play soooooooooooooons wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


Too bad I friggin raid Fri/Sat night >:|

 

[Angry Grimace]

I assume they'll probably use the same technique as when you're in raid dungeon without being in a raid, have a message pop up and port you back to the nearest inn/graveyard.

My presumption is some kind of "attunement" quest that you have to be a certain level to do other wise you get a "Tresspaser" debuff, or maybe even the No Man's Land debuff that currently exists in Hyjal.

It's possible that there just won't be anything, but you'll get annhilated if you try and go there.

 

[Sciz]

So there's a map file called "MaelstromZone", looks like this

That's all water, despite the terrible compression =P. And the letters down there?

Reminds me of the Emerald Dream maps that have been sitting in the files forever. Wonder what it's doing here, though. Expansion content that got axed, early design work for patch content, or a really preliminary idea for the next expansion?

 

[FLEABttn]

Reminds me of the Emerald Dream maps that have been sitting in the files forever. Wonder what it's doing here, though. Expansion content that got axed, early design work for patch content, or a really preliminary idea for the next expansion?

I don't think too much in the way of expansion content ever really gets axed, but gets delayed because of narrative issues or gameplay issues and then gets retooled for use later (which you can see examples of in the files of older clients). In the case of the Emerald Dream, I personally think it was slated to be a part of the first expansion but the direction they wanted to take the game changed so we haven't really seen it yet. I don't doubt that we will though, in some zone form.

Speaking of older clients, has the vanilla WoW alpha client leaked anywhere ever?

 

[notworksafe]

My presumption is some kind of "attunement" quest that you have to be a certain level to do other wise you get a "Tresspaser" debuff, or maybe even the No Man's Land debuff that currently exists in Hyjal.

It's possible that there just won't be anything, but you'll get annhilated if you try and go there.

Or it could just be what happens if you try to go to Burning Crusade and Lich King zones without having the expansion. You just get an error that you have to own the expansion to get into that area.

 

[Rapstah]

Or it could just be what happens if you try to go to Burning Crusade and Lich King zones without having the expansion. You just get an error that you have to own the expansion to get into that area.

That builds on there being a loading screen between the areas.

 

[CassSept]

They're instanced though, and the new Cata zones aren't.

 

[Interfectum]

Not sure how the layout is but they could ground all 'non-expansion' flights in Azeroth and gate all the cata zones OR let everyone go to those zones but have nothing to do once they are there (can't do quests, can't level past 80, can't go in instances, etc).

 

[CassSept]

Not sure how the layout is but they could ground all 'non-expansion' flights in Azeroth and gate all the cata zones OR let everyone go to those zones but have nothing to do once they are there (can't do quests, can't level past 80, can't go in instances, etc).

I believe flying mounts in Azeroth is a Cataclysm feature, isn't it? Though I'm not sure about this.
They can always leave the debuff that is in for example Hyjal right now, that teleports you out of the zone if you don't have expansion.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

How do you get into Hyjal as of the alpha? Is it through Darkwhisper, Moonglade or flight? Haven't been able to see Hyjal due to constant crashing.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

How do you get into Hyjal as of the alpha? Is it through Darkwhisper, Moonglade or flight? Haven't been able to see Hyjal due to constant crashing.

can you pm me how to set up the sandbox?

i read some have hidden keyloggers :/

 

[HarryDemeanor]

can you pm me how to set up the sandbox?

i read some have hidden keyloggers :/

Sent you a PM.

Haven't heard the keylogger problem yet but I will look into it.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Sent you a PM.

Haven't heard the keylogger problem yet but I will look into it.

wait. this is a 2 year old article. lol http://www.wow.com/2008/05/24/reminder-the-wrath-alpha-is-not-open-to-the-public/

 

[HarryDemeanor]

wait. this is a 2 year old article. lol http://www.wow.com/2008/05/24/reminder-the-wrath-alpha-is-not-open-to-the-public/

Oh is that where you read it from? :lol

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Oh is that where you read it from? :lol

yeah :lol

 

[sykoex]

For Hyjal it's:

.go 1 4966.84 -2684.50 1428.34

 

[Fularu]

I hate the fact that my friend quit Blizzard France

 

[HarryDemeanor]

For Hyjal it's:

.go 1 4966.84 -2684.50 1428.34

Awesome, thanks for the coords. Hyjal looks fantastic.

Looks like Hyjal entrance is through Darkwhisper of course. Guess they'll end up doing the No Man's Land.

Somebody was able to get into Uldum and take screenshots. Place is really early and heading there gets you an instant crash because of a model.

http://frustration.free.fr/wow/Cataclysm%20Alpha/Screenshots/Kalimdor/Uldum/

Getting a nice Jawa Sandcrawler feeling from this picture:

 

[Xabora]

So there's a map file called "MaelstromZone", looks like this

That's all water, despite the terrible compression =P. And the letters down there?

Looks like they just blocked it out.



And here I await.

 

[Tamanon]

I believe flying mounts in Azeroth is a Cataclysm feature, isn't it? Though I'm not sure about this.
They can always leave the debuff that is in for example Hyjal right now, that teleports you out of the zone if you don't have expansion.

They could easily make flying in Azeroth require a skill that you have to own Cataclysm to purchase.

 

[Arment]

Haven't played since Ulduar released but damn. I'll be buying this.

 

[sykoex]

okay so this sandbox coupled with wowhead is pretty damn awesome. Say you want to spawn in kel thuzad, just go to his wowhead page,"http://www.wowhead.com/npc=15990", take the npc number in the url and spawn him in, for example:
.u 15990

To spawn items, find the wowhead page and put .i before the number in the url, like for currupted ashbringer it's
.i 22691

Some items wont work though, but most vanilla wow stuff seems to work.

 

[Sax Russel]

Yesterday, in the rush of it all, I just kinda flew through all the new/revamped zones, but now that I'm taking a closer look at everything, it's really quite impressive. The step above WotLK zones is an even bigger one than WotLK took over TBC, and TBC over vanilla before it.

I was pretty certain that my starting zone to level would be Hyjal, cause of the lore associated with it (Malfurion, Ragnaros), but after a more thorough exploration of Vash'jir, the zone is just so beautiful, I can't resist it =O

 

[HarryDemeanor]

Yesterday, in the rush of it all, I just kinda flew through all the new/revamped zones, but now that I'm taking a closer look at everything, it's really quite impressive. The step above WotLK zones is an even bigger one than WotLK took over TBC, and TBC over vanilla before it.

I was pretty certain that my starting zone to level would be Hyjal, cause of the lore associated with it (Malfurion, Ragnaros), but after a more thorough exploration of Vash'jir, the zone is just so beautiful, I can't resist it =O

I'll be going through Hyjal first to kick ass with Malfurion Stormrage then switch to Vashj'ir once I'm done.

I'm just in love with Orgrimmar again. I didn't even know the zeppelin towers were on top now. :lol

 

[CassSept]

Video comparison of Orgrimmar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAoFxelTSKo
This is simply... incredible. It was obvious from screens that much has changed, but now seing direct comparisons between current orgri and cata rendition.... I'm stunned. No, seriously, the leap is astounding

 

[Xabora]

I'll be going through Hyjal first to kick ass with Malfurion Stormrage then switch to Vashj'ir once I'm done.

I'm just in love with Orgrimmar again. I didn't even know the zeppelin towers were on top now. :lol

Obviously Horde Bias.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Is Archimonde's corpse still hanging off of the edge of Nordrassil? :lol

 

[CassSept]

Is Archimonde's corpse still hanging off of the edge of Nordrassil? :lol

On the screens it was nowhere to be seen. But Nordrassil looks pretty damn amazing now. And it seems to be much much bigger than in MH (as in, tbc raid).

 

[HarryDemeanor]

Is Archimonde's corpse still hanging off of the edge of Nordrassil? :lol

I just checked Hyjal and it's completely gone, replaced with a brand new World Tree model. Shame to see it gone, thought it would be a nice addition to it.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I just checked Hyjal and it's completely gone, replaced with a brand new World Tree model. Shame to see it gone, thought it would be a nice addition to it.

I can only hope they'll put it back; it's supposed to be there unless Malfurion went and took it down for some reason :lol

Then again, Lore-wise, being near the Well of Eternity is supposed to kill you. In MH, it just gave you a debuff :lol.

 

[J-Rzez]

Friends and family had their fun already. Time to go public/media beta this week. :lol

Obviously Horde Bias.

They're the superior faction, so they deserve the extra treatment.

 

[CassSept]

Friends and family had their fun already. Time to go public/media beta this week. :lol

If you call trying to play through all the crashes fun
From what I've heard here and there the current build is horribly bugged (as expected from the first alpha build after all). Not as bad as WotLK alpha, but still nearly unplayable.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

can anyone send me a GM command list?

that 3 year old gamerzplanet forum doesn't work for me.

this second I want to know how to fly since i have no mount

.go 1 4966.84 -2684.50 1428.34 worked

 

[lakesideflight]

anyone want to level some characters quickly as possible through RaF? I have keys, US/Canada only, we could probably get 2-3 characters to 60 in 2-2.5 weeks(maybe less?) if we play enough. I'm in EST, PM me if you want to get some quick 60's!