It's apparent to me that this has hurt your feelings. I think you should honestly stop trying to explain yourself and just accept that people can be idiots sometimes and don't want to know the reasoning behind getting refunded.
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WOW OMG: Steam is refunding No Man's Sky even if you played more then 2 hours
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FloatingDivider
Member
No joke man, what sort of Grim Dark Warner Brothers future are we living in if people that are legitimately buying games are getting accused of thievery for refunding broken and utterly disappointing games.
Hey! You bought a game that doesn't function correctly and you spent a lot of time trying to play it but gave up because it still isn't functioning correctly and then managed to secure a refund on said non-functional game. Thief!
/s
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
"You don’t own a game. You buy a licence to play it. I bought physical games in 1982, 1992 and 2002. Can’t play them!"
The fact a developer tweeted this, even though it's true, like it was a defense is sort of bafflingly tone deaf. Haha, games have been in a fucked position consumer right wise for a long time guys, so that makes everything hunky dory.
The fact a developer tweeted this, even though it's true, like it was a defense is sort of bafflingly tone deaf. Haha, games have been in a fucked position consumer right wise for a long time guys, so that makes everything hunky dory.
EatinOlives
Member
No one who has a good head on their shoulders is calling you that.
We've been conditioned to accept the old switcheroo far too many times. I'm glad you made this thread, looks like some good is coming out of it!
People always say vote with your wallet. Well, you did. Don't let anyone try to turn it around on you just because you managed to actually do something about it.
Funny thing is. Depending on the game, you could play them.
Plenty of programs on PC to make older games work.
Console wise: Buy a NES/SNES/PS1/N64, etc etc. and you can play any game you bought no matter how long ago that was.
While the first bit may be true (Software is licensed and all that shit), the second bit is demonstrably false. Any game he mentions is probably playable. It just depends on what hoops you need to jump through. Be it download a program for PC to make an older game work, or buy an old console.
GeNoMe
Member
I was literately just reading that tweet, and just burst out in laughter.
What the fuck is this guy on? How is this defending the whole NMS debacle?
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Alright, whatever it is Ultimatum Games is making, I'm out.
Why does a tweet from an ex sony employee matter to you? What makes his opinion so different from others. He doesn't even know your real name.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
When you have to invoke games from 1982 to defend a game in 2016 you've already lost.
pretty done
Member
Damn, I must be lucky on my refunds then. They haven't refused me once and at least three of those games had over 2 hours played.
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
Damn, someone asked - and got - a refund after playing for 72 hours? What a prick.
So did I after 80... am I a prick?
freenudemacusers
Member
what's with all this handwringing over refunds. i don't get it. i've never seen an industry where the consumers were so utterly preoccupied with corporate welfare.
edit: reading back some pages this thread is hilarious.... just report the bugs they'll fix em up! lmao @ this line of reasoning being dropped in a thread for no man's sky.
edit: reading back some pages this thread is hilarious.... just report the bugs they'll fix em up! lmao @ this line of reasoning being dropped in a thread for no man's sky.
EatinOlives
Member
Yeah. OP, just ignore the guy. In the context of this NMS debacle and this refund thread, he's a nobody. Don't give him any more importance than he deserves.
Darryl M R
Member
Your comment hurts my brain.
Don't be offended at a comment someone makes to you because they don't even know you IRL! /s
Trash post.
SparkleMotion
Member
Hello Games should just make another Joe Danger. At least they can't fuck that up.
I mean he represents an escalation of rhetoric toward him given his position(or past position) and platform from what began as a simple reply to a thread he didn't even create. Pushing back against that or getting a bit upset seems completely rational.
Frankly it could be thrown back at you, what does it matter that anyone ever says anything to you on a forum? Why do you ever feel prompted to respond to anyone on the internet? Should we start questioning why you reply to something said about you every time you do?
PS4 or PC? I've got 8 hours played on Steam and sent in 5 requests, 4 of them were denied and the 5th is still pending.
:/
Who is this dude and why have i never heard of him until now? I know he used to have faith in NMS but wow talk about corporate shill speech.
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
Well, yeah, that's crazy. Why would you ask for your money back after 80 hours of playtime?
Tigersprite
Member
Definitely not a fan of Shahid atm, but a lot of the racist vitriol he seems to be getting off Twitter at the moment is vile.
Kinda glad I didn't bother buying this game I was hopeful initially though. Definitely waiting to see if Star Citizen lives up to any of its hype.
Kinda glad I didn't bother buying this game I was hopeful initially though. Definitely waiting to see if Star Citizen lives up to any of its hype.
SparkleMotion
Member
So if you play for 80 hours, and the game becomes unplayable due to crashing, you have to just live with not being able to play anymore?
Because the Shahid guy hurt his feeling ?
Just like how everyone on the NMS OT thread claim we hurt Sean feeling.
The man paid for a game, said game doesn't work after 50 hours, returned it (like everyone should) had been called "Thief"
On the other hand we have a freaking liar, on national TV, sell people snake oil for 60$ and people claim refund hurt his feeling.
Because after around 75 hours the game kept crashing when I bought a 34 slot Ship and maxed out my Exo Suit. Everytime I Hyper drive and a 50/50 chance when opening the game. I tried putting up with it for nearly 5 hours more, crashing every 20 odd minutes ish.
It's literally unplayable in that state. My only option would be to delete my save and could never progress in the game. Hence it's a broken product and I'm entitled to a refund.
Edit: I loved the game. It pissed me off about the missing stuff but I can look past that. I can't however be ripped off by a broken product.
Edit 2: 3 times I think it hard locked my system which can cause HDD corruption. I have PT on there so fuck letting that get deleted.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Digital refunds too. The kind where no one really loses out because theres no real cost involved with providing the goods in the first place.
TB is gonna have a field day on this topic im sure considering hes been warning everyone to be responsible consumers for years and it just gets hand waved.
You or others may have seen him from this gif:
With "Shut up and take my money" on it. Couldn't find that one though so here is this one.
Yea my sentence didn't make sense, i meant he can't name shame and claim he is a thief, was poorly written by me.
If the game crashes then it crashes and you should be offered a refund. No matter how much you've played of it. Any other reason I don't agree with but that one its impossible to argue with.
Games are art but if you buy a movie and it stops working in the middle you still deserve a refund.
Games are art but if you buy a movie and it stops working in the middle you still deserve a refund.
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
Ah OK, I apologise for jumping the gun a bit up there. I'm not too clued in to the state of the PC version.
Petrae
Member
This is, for me, another Phil Fish situation. I refused to buy Fez because I disapproved of Fish's actions, and I will never buy anything this studio makes because of Shahid's awful behavior.
Nah its cool. Just responded to enlighten people that shit does break after a crazy amount of time. It genuinely upset me as well. I was having a ton of fun in the game and the OT'S on here until I just couldn't go on. The crashes started becoming bad and it just took all my fun away.
Btw don't apologise man, no need for that
How far in were you? Did you say it was crashing, or misled? UK or US?
I'm trying to beat this 12% number they threw at me last time
GeNoMe
Member
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Brilliant. Best use of that gif I've ever seen.
chancellor
Member
It's good people are getting refunds for the game crashing and being buggy. As far as I see it it is the same as when players got refunds for arkham city being broken. It should not matter how much you've played it, the only concerns should be if it is faulty and how long you have owned it before making your complaint.
Well yeah thats a separate issue in and of itself.
The pre-order/hype train culture, sketchy season pass marketing, and the continual acceptance of false advertising through things like bullshots and misrepresentative vertical slices are a staple of most major releases.
Throw in the creeping anti-consumer practices like inappropriate journalist-developer relationships, review embargoes, and unhealthy corporate fanboyism/schilling has created a fairly toxic, anti-consumer environment.
freenudemacusers
Member
it's a strange response from a forum that constantly complains about dlc, retailer exclusive content and slimy marketing from companies. i guess that goes out the window when push comes to shove.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I'm also guilty of getting a refund on PSN. I only played the game one time for about 3 hours and was done with it, so I thought it was fair. I may look at repurchasing it again at a later date if and when it has much more content and a lower price point.
How far in were you? Did you say it was crashing, or misled? UK or US?
I'm trying to beat this 12% number they threw at me last time
US-and I mentioned that I have been a Sony customer since the PS1 days - PSN customer since the start and I've never once asked for a refund. I brought up the crashing and how I felt deceived by what the game described.
notworksafe
Member
There are some similarities with this, but one important difference is that WB specifically told all retailers to offer refunds on AK, and to stop selling the game. I don't believe Hello or Sony have really commented on refunds publicly, at least not yet.
People were getting refunds prior to that from Steam, but only with the standard refunds policy that Steam offered.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Yup, this is what I've been saying all along. People should never just blindly trust anyone in business or office, ever. They are almost always putting on a show for you because they just want your money and you just can't tell who isn't so that is why you should almost ALWAYS side with the consumer. This is from way back in the MP thread,
VlaudTheImpaler said:
Thing is the environment in the industry would be better all around if it was more consumer centric in every aspect instead of worried about mostly just profit by mostly catering to the mainstream and being opaque towards the core. I think CDProjekt has a good model so far in this regard.