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Serpens007

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Cybit said:
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So, there are 52 RAWs and 12 PPVs a year. 64. Out of 320. So that is...exactly 20% of their events. Now, at least in Seattle; tickets to the live events are the same price (except for the floor seats, which number a few hundred) as they are for RAW. (Takes place in the same arena too).

Even if you say that a RAW / PPV is 50% more than a house show (which it isn't, but hey, what ever)...that turns into 30%. The other 70% is, in fact, more important than the 30%.
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But Live shows doesn't have millions watching it live from other side of the country, and other countries, sponsors, and if people stops watching it hurts the stocks.
 
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ryutaro's mama

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Anth0ny said:
I enjoyed the Sting/HHH match just for the fuckery of it all


but when you think about the fact that the match had a pretty serious build, and sting mentioned he wasn't fighting for wcw, and that HHH went over sting in his first match, and that HHH went for a handshake like they were all good after blatantly cheating to win, and those fucking entrances.... it was kinda shitty when you think about it.

But I'm not gonna think too hard about it. fun match ^_^
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It bothered me as a fan that nWo black and white came out to help Stang instead of the Wolfpac red and black.

Stang joined the Wolfpac, not the nWo.

Little details like that WWE should be better about. It felt lazy.
 
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Roland_Gunner

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Cybit said:
That's the thing; we all talk about this "stuff we known" like it it gospel...except for gospel it sure seems to keep not happening a whole hell of a lot. You don't think the Brock / Rock rumor happening right after Lesnar re-signed was a little convenient considering what Rock actually did at WM (and appears to be setting up for next year's WM)? The entire Rollins build has shown that WWE can get their most ardent fans to completely be surprised by an obvious storyline buildup if the right "rumors" get out on the internet. We are at the point where we believe any rumor that fits our own pre-existing world views. Everyone was shocked at Rollins with the title; until you look backwards for the last year and realize that was...kind of predictable. They booked Reigns strong like everyone thinks they stereotypically would, and they book Rollins strong the way everyone thinks they should, and we fall hook line and sinker for Reigns and ignore Rollins.
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Its only predictable because you take any information that points against your theory and say that the WWE used that to through the audience off or whatever. So yes if you discount all of the times Rollins looked weak he did look strong. Pretty much any theory works if you toss out examples that point against it.
 
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NihonTiger90

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jWILL253 said:
So... realistically... how long does Rollins last as champion?
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Wrestlemania 32. Reigns vs. Rollins vs. Bryan? in the main event for the title. The Authority does everything they can to keep Reigns away until then, Bryan wins the Royal Rumble, Rollins' feuds over the next year include Orton, Ziggler and Bryan. Ideally, Reigns would have to win the RR to get his shot ... but since they did that this year, I really don't want him to win it again next year.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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MaulerX said:
What's up with the "brah" part? I never said they will continue the HHH/Sting feud. Which part of "set up for another unknown angle" did you not understand?
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You're the one who mentioned them bringing up the "dirty win" thing again. What sense would it make to bring that up unless it is in some way related to Sting and Hunter?
 
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Heroman

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Cybit said:
...we know that's a lie though. Cena / Rusev has been building for months on end. HHH / Sting went from November till the end of March. (And arguably longer, seeing as the Sting attacking the Authority parallels the Sting vs NWO / authority storyline from WCW). Orton / Rollins has been brewing for months as well; really since Summerslam.

That's the thing; we all talk about this "stuff we known" like it it gospel...except for gospel it sure seems to keep not happening a whole hell of a lot. You don't think the Brock / Rock rumor happening right after Lesnar re-signed was a little convenient considering what Rock actually did at WM (and appears to be setting up for next year's WM)? The entire Rollins build has shown that WWE can get their most ardent fans to completely be surprised by an obvious storyline buildup if the right "rumors" get out on the internet. We are at the point where we believe any rumor that fits our own pre-existing world views. Everyone was shocked at Rollins with the title; until you look backwards for the last year and realize that was...kind of predictable. They booked Reigns strong like everyone thinks they stereotypically would, and they book Rollins strong the way everyone thinks they should, and we fall hook line and sinker for Reigns and ignore Rollins.





So, because apparently math is difficult.

http://corporate.wwe.com/company/live-televised-entertainment



So, there are 52 RAWs and 12 PPVs a year. 64. Out of 320. So that is...exactly 20% of their events. Now, at least in Seattle; tickets to the live events are the same price (except for the floor seats, which number a few hundred) as they are for RAW. (Takes place in the same arena too).

Even if you say that a RAW / PPV is 50% more than a house show (which it isn't, but hey, what ever)...that turns into 30%. The other 70% is, in fact, more important than the 30%.
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This like last wm where wwe fuck up so they had to book thing right but this time a heel won, this isn't physics it god damn wrestling, it isn't very hard to know what going to happen.
And house show barely matter as they barely make them money.
 
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Kaiterra

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Roland_Gunner said:
Its only predictable because you take any information that points against your theory and say that the WWE used that to through the audience off or whatever. So yes if you discount all of the times Rollins looked weak he did look strong. Pretty much any theory works if you toss out examples that point against it.
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Rollins wasn't supposed to look strong, he was just supposed to look important. He's going to be a chicken shit through and through, even more than he has been, believe that.
 
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NYR

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NihonTiger90 said:
Wrestlemania 32. Reigns vs. Rollins vs. Bryan?.
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Keep Reigns away from the main event, he has had 3 shots in a row, all failures with fans.

Bryan needs to prove he is healthy - like for a solid two years before I would ever trust him with the main event or title again.
 
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Jimmy King

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I can see Rollins going a full year leading to a Shield triple threat at Mania. Reigns could even win right before and they can use it to push Ambroahahahahahaha
 
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MaulerX

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Ninja Scooter said:
You're the one who mentioned them bringing up the "dirty win" thing again. What sense would it make to bring that up unless it is in some way related to Sting and Hunter?
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Because they can play off that and build another feud and still have him look strong and not have him look like a total weakling. That was my line of thought.
 
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NihonTiger90

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NYR said:
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Keep Reigns away from the main event, he has had 3 shots in a row, all failures with fans.

Bryan needs to prove he is healthy - like for a solid two years before I would ever trust him with the main event or title again.
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Actually, you know what ... I would like to make an amendment.

Wrestlemania 32 main event: Rollins vs. Ambrose. Dean's over as fuck as a face, Seth's over as a heel. Give them a year to keep refining what they do and they'll put on a hell of a show.
 
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Serpens007

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Brock's winning the Title at Extreme Rules, folks. They didn't put the US and IC titles with top guys just to elevate those titles. They need top guys fighting for some prize since they don't know how to make proper storylines.
 
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Heroman

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Serpens007 said:
Brock's winning the Title at Extreme Rules, folks. They didn't put the US and IC titles with top guys just to elevate those titles. They need top guys fighting for some prize since they don't know how to make proper storylines.
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I don't think he will be at exrules.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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MaulerX said:
Because they can play off that and build another feud and still have him look strong and not have him look like a total weakling. That was my line of thought.
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They don't need to make Sting look strong. Anytime he appears he'll get a pop regardless of what happened tonight.
 
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Toki767

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When I re-watch this, which matches had super bad commentary so I know to skip it?

It was really enjoyable watching without commentary.
 
thequestion

thequestion

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Sephzilla said:
If anything I think the 4 Horsemen should have saved Sting
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I thought Arn and Flair were going to come out. Was surprised at black and white NWO, but still fun.

Second half of the PPV (after HHH v Sting) REALLY dragged. Lot's of skipping for re-watching purposes. The ladder match had too many guys in it. Would of been much better with just Bryan, Zig, Ambrose, and Wade. Anyways, first half of PPV was great, second half was boring....until the main event....

Still buzzing from the main event. Finally a Wrestlemania Main Event that got me excited. The match had this nervous energy that kept me on the edge of my seat and made it feel like an actual EVENT. When Seth's music hit... me and the boys were on our feet. Great energy and some good in-ring storytelling during this match. Just...really great finish to Wrestlemania.
 
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Cybit

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Roland_Gunner said:
Its only predictable because you take any information that points against your theory and say that the WWE used that to through the audience off or whatever. So yes if you discount all of the times Rollins looked weak he did look strong. Pretty much any theory works if you toss out examples that point against it.
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Except they literally did the same thing to Cena by having Rusev wreck him right before Cena beat Rusev. Or having Sting get the upper hand on HHH every time, and then lose. WWE always, for everyone, has someone lose a bunch before they win something big. It's dumb. We all know this. But they do it for everyone.

Serpens007 said:
But Live shows doesn't have millions watching it live from other side of the country, and other countries, sponsors, and if people stops watching it hurts the stocks.
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Correct. But even Meltzer said that Reigns won Superstar of the Year legit - and I think a lot of TV viewers voted on that. Leave it this way, if Bryan had won Superstar of the Year, it would have been legit. All the people decrying the rigged aspect of the award forget that Bryan won the Superstar of the Year award in 2013. Does that mean that Bryan was the chosen one in 2013 all the way back in December?

Heroman said:
This like last wm where wwe fuck up so they had to book thing right but this time a heel won, this isn't physics it god damn wrestling, it isn't very hard to know what going to happen.
And house show barely matter as they barely make them money.
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Per WWE's yearly financials; http://ir.corporate.wwe.com/Cache/28495894.PDF?Y=&O=PDF&D=&FID=28495894&T=&OSID=9&IID=4121687

Live Events earn 20% of our net revenue, and merchandise sold at live events count as 4%of net revenue.
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So...24% of 2014 revenue was Live Events + Merch from live events. In comparison, all of the TV money was 33%.

It's so easy to know what is going to happen in wrestling..is that before or after Rollins cashed in? Cuz here's a fun post.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=157287646&postcount=398

Rollin isnt cashing in.
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Anth0ny

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"This was one of the best shows I've ever seen." - Dave Meltzer on Wrestlemania 31

Keep in mind he was there live. I thought the show was damn good but I think that's a bit much, and I haven't seen 1/10000000th the wrestling shows Meltzer has.
 
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Battlezone

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Ninja Scooter said:
The build up for it was too serious if they were going to play it out like that. There was no indication that Sting held any allegiance towards WCW the way Hunter tried to frame it and then all of a sudden NWO comes out to help him? It was a cheap pop in the way having Bob Backlund as a Royal Rumble participant would be but when you think about it it was pretty dumb. DX and NWO are all buddies and havne't been shy about hiding it. Hell XPac is a member of both groups. NWO got their break by being anti-WCW and has been in WWE so they're not exactly #TeamWCW either. To top it all off the three NWO guys looked old as shit. It just felt cheap once the short pop wore off. If they were going to have interference, I think just having Shawn come out for Hunter and then Flair come out after that for Sting would have been a lot more meaningful. Leave DX and NWO out of it.
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Yeah, having the NWO help Sting made no sense. I hated the WWE vs WCW angle they took with this, but if you're going to do it, you've got Booker, Flair, and (presumably) DDP at your disposal. Three guys who were more #TeamWCW than the NWO were.

And, I know they'd never get him (and Trips probably don't want him), but can you imagine the pop if Goldberg came out during that schmozz?
 
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Rainmaker92

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FUCK YES ROLLINS!
My first ever wrestling show I went to was an roh show in 2010, and I mainly went for Rollins. Now he walks out of Mania as the champ!

For one of, if not the worst build up to a 'Mania ever, this way better than it had any right to be. Not perfect, but to me a solid 7-8/10
 
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Cybit

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Battlezone said:
Yeah, having the NWO help Sting made no sense. I hated the WWE vs WCW angle they took with this, but if you're going to do it, you've got Booker, Flair, and (presumably) DDP at your disposal. Three guys who were more #TeamWCW than the NWO were.

And, I know they'd never get him (and Trips probably don't want him), but can you imagine the pop if Goldberg came out during that schmozz?
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The sound was weird where I was at; so the NWO theme didn't click immediately, and I thought for a brief second that Goldberg was going to run out and start running through DX. Had Goldberg came out in response to HBK; the place would have completely lost their minds. (Alas, Flair is too injured to compete again)
 
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