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ElectricBlanketFire

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RBH said:
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Ladies and gentlemen...

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Got a gif of Brock being busted open on the post?
 
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ShadowsFell

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The Albatross said:
To be fair, this is a carryover from the territories days, when most people only got to see a wrestler once in a while, not on TV, and so they had to have a repeatable formula of moves that worked to build up to the end of the match. It also made working with the talent better... a guy from one territory could wrestle for a month in another territory and they'd quickly have the finishing move set down. It's part of what made Bret Hart such a draw, but was also true of a lot of other guys. Hart was one of the few faces who built to a finisher with successive moves, where as most faces (especially in the 80's WWE) "hulked up" to a finisher and pulled it out of their trunks after being held down by the heel for a while.
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Indeed. It's another way they're stuck in a ancient mindset in my opinion. As long as a match its structured and advances properly, a huge plethora of moves can and should become legitimate moves that can finish a person.
 
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Vestal

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ShadowsFell said:
He honestly looked good. Horrible ending, and the cheesy run-ins, while fun, would have been better substituted in my opinion for another 10+ minutes of a one-on-one wrestling match.
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He did. I mean lets be honest this is not 1989 Sting or 1996 Sting when he was at his Athletic peak, he doesn't have that great lift anymore. But for a 56 year old man he put on a good showing. Bald spot be damned!

He is still my Favorite wrestler from NWA/WCW. I was such a mark for him back in the day. I remember getting giddy reading the old wrestling magazines and seeing him above Hogan in any of the charts they listed =)
 
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zychi

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With all the gifs in here, I've always wondering why its not considered a form of piracy. When a movie or tv show has a gif on the internet, and it basically tells/ruins/shows a plot point or outcome, why isn't it considered piracy?
 
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ShadowsFell

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Vestal said:
He did. I mean lets be honest this is not 1989 Sting or 1996 Sting when he was at his Athletic peak, he doesn't have that great lift anymore. But for a 56 year old man he put on a good showing. Bald spot be damned!

He is still my Favorite wrestler from NWA/WCW. I was such a mark for him back in the day. I remember getting giddy reading the old wrestling magazines and seeing him above Hogan in any of the charts they listed =)
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He moved around the ring very well, and quickly. He doesn't have his same build, but who cares if he can still perform. I was very disappointed that I didn't get to see a legitimate match continue, and got a buttload of gimmickry instead. And that ending...Jesus Christ, how big is hunters ego? It's another example of their internal desires trumping what the fans want, and what would be the right choice for business.
 
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ShadowsFell

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I mean for the love of god, if there are three men WWE still employs as in-ring performers who can lose without having it tarnish them, it would be HHH, Cena, and Taker.

All three of them won last night.
 
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Vestal

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ShadowsFell said:
He moved around the ring very well, and quickly. He doesn't have his same build, but who cares if he can still perform. I was very disappointed that I didn't get to see a legitimate match continue, and got a buttless of gimmickry instead. And that ending...Jesus Christ, how big is hunters ego? It's another example of their internal desires trumping what the fans want, and what would be the right choice for business.
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His outburst in the corner on Hunter was awesome at the end. Although Hunter going to one knee really ruined the splash setup for me.

They should have done an irish whip to one corner, stinger splash, Irish whip back to the other corner for the Hammerhead pickup/hit. Would have made it a lot better.
 
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ShadowsFell

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When Scott Hall took the backdrop on the floor, my reaction was to wince, coupled with the immediate thought that "that guy has a pacemaker". I don't know if such a thing could fuck with the function of a pacemaker, but that is indeed what I thought.
 
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kiguel182

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ShadowsFell said:
When Scott Hall took the backdrop on the floor, my reaction was to wince, coupled with the immediate thought that "that guy has a pacemaker". I don't know if such a thing could fuck with the function of a pacemaker, but that is indeed what I thought.
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I can't believe he actually took a bump.

Same for Hogan even if his was way softer.
 
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Khrno

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Why don't they start having guys win matches with stuff that *aren't* their finishers? True 'finishers' only get brought out when shit gets real.

Kobashi only used the Burning Hammer like 7 or 8 times, he could hit other moves to win (Orange Crush/Moonsault/etc) but he always had it in his back pocket if he needed it.

Really, WWE (and ECW/WCW/ETC) did this to themselves by selling the signature moves as the be all end all of a match. They ended up booking themselves into a corner because they didn't have anywhere else to go other than 'welp, lets have you kick out of three+ finishers' and now they're pretty much death on normal TV but in a PPV main they mean nothing. Weekly live TV and monthly PPVs didn't help either because guys got more exposed.

They IMO should take the opportunity to let guys do more with finishes that don't rely on a guy's finisher to be used every single match. It's pretty clear that most of the 'top' guys on the roster could pull this off easily, and it would help give back the mystique that the finisher once had. This would also have the added bonus of matches actually ending on normalish stuff that Cole has to oversell right now, making it sound ridiculous.
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Wow man, you just made me see this from another completely different perspective and I do really like what you say.

My favourite wrestling move, that is not a finisher (some variations are) any more and it's used by everyone all the time is the DDT, even now after over 25 years watching wrestling and I keep popping up for DDTs of any kind. So I think hitting some kind of DDT could be used as a perfect way to win a match, same as a top rope move (splash, drop kick, etc), or a superplex. Those kind of everyone/everyday moves but people usually pop for them because they are big moves.

It might look weird at the beginning when someone hits a DDT and wins a main event match on Raw or on a PPV, but little by little people will get accustomed that those "big moves" can finish matches they will pop much more for a DDT or a top rope splash than now, and when they get to tease the finishers that are used sparsely, people will pop big time.

So many ways to make the wrestling in WWE better, so little foresight on their part.
 
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Toki767

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Zombie James said:
The cuts on Brock's face, the stiff knee to the mouth... I guess they were both being pretty stiff, but Reigns' offense just seemed careless, imho. I haven't watched very many of his matches so I don't know if this is style or whatever.
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He worked a lot stiffer than usual, but that was basically your average Reigns match. Sell for 90%, Superman Punch, Spear, and match is over.
 
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IconGrist

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Zombie James said:
The cuts on Brock's face, the stiff knee to the mouth... I guess they were both being pretty stiff, but Reigns' offense just seemed careless, imho. I haven't watched very many of his matches so I don't know if this is style or whatever.
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It appeared to me they were both being stiff on purpose for brutality's sake. The cut on Brock's face at the start was due to Roman's vest.
 
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DanielMann

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Pop-O-Matic said:
No, the real problem with Sting/HHH was the commentary constantly shitting on WCW like it was 2001 all over again.
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"We Win Again" -- JBL

Yeah, pretty much says it all.

As I said over at the WM 31 post on the Off Topic. My problem with that match was the illogical thinking behind the aftermath and the hand shake.

Wasn't Sting cutting a promo on HHH's heel tactics scathing him for how he had manipulated his way to the top not a week before this match? So HHH uses heel tactics to win the match and then Sting shakes his hand afterwards like it all meant nothing?

Then an hour later, HHH is out there verbally burying him with the whole "We're the Authority and we always win" shtick.

The problem for me is that none of this makes sense within the context of the story they were building to begin with. The story was never about WCW vs. WWE, it was about Sting standing up to HHH's corruption. Once they started introducing the WCW element, I knew that Sting was most likely destined to be buried. Like everything, they start off with a good idea and then they somehow manage to screw it up.

This was burial 101. They gloated with the whole "we won" bit. Hell, the only way that the authority got their just desserts was at the hands of their own home grown talent (and Rousey)

I've seen people try to defend this, but the whole thing just reeked of burying for the sake of burying. Can't say I was too surprised either. As soon as they started playing up the whole WCW part of it, I just knew there was no way they were letting someone attached with WCW stigma go over at Mania.

So I can't say I was too surprised, I honestly was expecting this...
 
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ShadowsFell

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DanielMann said:
"We Win Again" -- JBL

Yeah, pretty much says it all.

As I said over at the WM 31 post on the Off Topic. My problem with that match was the illogical thinking behind the aftermath and the hand shake.

Wasn't Sting cutting a promo on HHH's heel tactics scathing him for how he had manipulated his way to the top not a week before this match? So HHH uses heel tactics to win the match and then Sting shakes his hand afterwards like it all meant nothing?

Then an hour later, HHH is out there verbally burying him with the whole "We're the Authority and we always win" shtick.

The problem for me is that none of this makes sense within the context of the story they were building to begin with. The story was never about WCW vs. WWE, it was about Sting standing up to HHH's corruption. Once they started introducing the WCW element, I knew that Sting was most likely destined to be buried. Like everything, they start off with a good idea and then they somehow manage to screw it up.

This was burial 101. They gloated with the whole "we won" bit. Hell, the only way that the authority got their just desserts was at the hands of their own home grown talent (and Rousey)

I've seen people try to defend this, but the whole thing just reeked of burying for the sake of burying. Can't say I was too surprised either. As soon as they started playing up the whole WCW part of it, I just knew there was no way they were letting someone attached with WCW stigma go over at Mania.

So I can't say I was too surprised, I honestly was expecting this...
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This. The angle, build, and execution were nonsensical.
 
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JKRMA

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Enjoyed it, dbry wins in a great ladder match(poor ambrose, hope he's okay) undertaker won(is Wyatt gonna be the opposite with a losing streak at mania?) awesome Rko :eek:, maybe the best ever, divas match got time and was enjoyable, rusev came out in a fucken tank!!!, and finally my boy Rollins getting the belt and reigns left looking like a chump in the ring at the end.
 
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Khrno

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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
It also pushed the narrative that HHH and DX filming a few mildly amusing segments where they drove to Nitro and nothing happened helped win the Monday Night War.
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Not defending anything they did last night, but DX were legit over during the attitude era, and they were the third biggest merchandise sellers behind Austin and Rock, so yeah, they did play a big part winning that Monday Night War.
 
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I Wanna Be The Guy

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Lets not quibble over what made sense or how shitty the whole WCW angle was. Lets just all rejoice in the fact Sting lost. Regardless of how we got there, we got there.
 
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Coins

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OMG guys.

What if Reigns was smiling the whole time because he knew Seth was gonna cash in and pin him. Then tonight the Shield reunites??
 
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gazele

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Coins said:
OMG guys.

What if Reigns was smiling the whole time because he knew Seth was gonna cash in and pin him. Then tonight the Shield reunites??
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That'd be great, don't see it happening

I wonder if Brock gets a title match tonight or if they save it
 
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Savitar

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Coins said:
OMG guys.

What if Reigns was smiling the whole time because he knew Seth was gonna cash in and pin him. Then tonight the Shield reunites??
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I remarked about everyone had a look on their face during the intros. Look at Reigns, he seemed pretty blank, like he was doing something he didn't want to do. He appeared to be pissed and seething in some aspects like he was tired of dealing with people as you could tell during his walk through the crowd, maybe from realizing he wasn't the chosen one that everyone said he was suppose to be and he was doing the job.

In other words, the guy wasn't happy at all.

Reminded me of a kid not getting the gift he wanted for his birthday.
 
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Singularity42

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ShadowsFell said:
When Scott Hall took the backdrop on the floor, my reaction was to wince, coupled with the immediate thought that "that guy has a pacemaker". I don't know if such a thing could fuck with the function of a pacemaker, but that is indeed what I thought.
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He also had hip replacement surgery not too long ago
 
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Eidan

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Savitar said:
I remarked about everyone had a look on their face during the intros. Look at Reigns, he seemed pretty blank, like he was doing something he didn't want to do. He appeared to be pissed and seething in some aspects like he was tired of dealing with people as you could tell during his walk through the crowd, maybe from realizing he wasn't the chosen one that everyone said he was suppose to be and he was doing the job.

In other words, the guy wasn't happy at all.

Reminded me of a kid not getting the gift he wanted for his birthday.
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I think you're looking a bit too much into it.
 
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Liquidsnake

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DanielMann said:
"We Win Again" -- JBL

Yeah, pretty much says it all.

As I said over at the WM 31 post on the Off Topic. My problem with that match was the illogical thinking behind the aftermath and the hand shake.

Wasn't Sting cutting a promo on HHH's heel tactics scathing him for how he had manipulated his way to the top not a week before this match? So HHH uses heel tactics to win the match and then Sting shakes his hand afterwards like it all meant nothing?

Then an hour later, HHH is out there verbally burying him with the whole "We're the Authority and we always win" shtick.

The problem for me is that none of this makes sense within the context of the story they were building to begin with. The story was never about WCW vs. WWE, it was about Sting standing up to HHH's corruption. Once they started introducing the WCW element, I knew that Sting was most likely destined to be buried. Like everything, they start off with a good idea and then they somehow manage to screw it up.

This was burial 101. They gloated with the whole "we won" bit. Hell, the only way that the authority got their just desserts was at the hands of their own home grown talent (and Rousey)

I've seen people try to defend this, but the whole thing just reeked of burying for the sake of burying. Can't say I was too surprised either. As soon as they started playing up the whole WCW part of it, I just knew there was no way they were letting someone attached with WCW stigma go over at Mania.

So I can't say I was too surprised, I honestly was expecting this...
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I would have preferred Sting not come back for this. He was right all along.
 
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JesseEwiak

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Savitar said:
I remarked about everyone had a look on their face during the intros. Look at Reigns, he seemed pretty blank, like he was doing something he didn't want to do. He appeared to be pissed and seething in some aspects like he was tired of dealing with people as you could tell during his walk through the crowd, maybe from realizing he wasn't the chosen one that everyone said he was suppose to be and he was doing the job.

In other words, the guy wasn't happy at all.

Reminded me of a kid not getting the gift he wanted for his birthday.
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Ah, smarks rationalizing what people are thinking based on how they're walking to the ring never gets old.
 
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Deadstar

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gazele said:
That'd be great, don't see it happening

I wonder if Brock gets a title match tonight or if they save it
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I think he was smiling because he knew he could take it. Kind of like Tyler Durden in fight club when he's getting his face smashed in and he keeps laughing. COME ON LOU!
 
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