To put it simple. If the Magnus SoC is used for the Xbox PC. Modder would download a bunch of games through GamePass, mod them to be playable offline and upload them somewhere, then jailbreak the Xbox PC with a downloadable activator.
Emulation has existed well before the job listing. Series X already uses emulation for BC. It's never made official on PC due to licensing restrictions as the restriction does not define the technique or the source. It defines the target platform. For MS to officially implement emulation across the board, they will have to negotiate with the pubs as a contract addendum or a new one altogether, which they are already doing in the background for "Play Anywhere". So BC on PC is just a matter of time. It just seems unlikely at launch, and even less likely across the board of existing BC titles, especially considering the insider comments. May be a few years later. Or a continuous drip feed...
The GPU in Magnus is rumored to be around a 5080 so its no slouch. Its going to depend a lot on price tbh. There may be an audience for these machines, like people who like prebuilts and don't want to tinker around with the diy market.
It doesn't appear the difference would be that wide early on. The SoC looks to be the same. Perhaps with more rapid iterations and variants down the line? The chiplet design would allow that
5080?? What's the price expectation for this? A 5080 goes for $1200-1500 in my area…..
That's exactly my case. If the next Xbox doesn't run my digital library and/or it's going to be too expensive, I'll keep my Series X but look for a new platform.
If the next console supports multiple storefronts, then it's not a walled garden right? Or are you referring to other kinds of flexibility with PC?
No not taking the piss. If this is all to be believed then it's confusing the fuck out of me and I think I have a handle on this shit. But little Jimmy who wants the next Xbox to play his copy of WWE2K as he got it on Xbox series X won't know what console/xbox pc to buy to have that copy of his game play on his next unit. I mean, just have a look at the super stupid marketing for the rog ally Xbox or whatever it's called. You can play all Xbox games on there except you can't natively. But most people buying it and looking at the marketing wouldn't know that. It's pathetic.An unrevealed, unannounced console is 'confusing for parents' now?
Are you taking the piss right now?
I think we can agree a pc device and a console device will most likely fall under a different licensing agreement. That is the whole point of play anywhere. Just because you add a "console" chip to a pc it does not make it a console. It will be interesting to watch this play out in court if this was to happen.
We should all know by now that everything the people at Xbox says, we should accept and believe them implicitly. They've never lied to us and only know how to speak the truth. They told us they'd only put 4 games on PlayStation and see how that goes. Miraculously they had ports of other games ready to go shortly after that. It's a miracle of development how quickly they decided to port those games and they were ready… almost like Microsoft were going to port those games across all along.
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Possibly. If it's going to be MS' version of steam machine, then this may be a feature of Xbox app. Doubt it will work with all storefronts though…Maybe I just haven't gotten enough sleep (also cutting caffeine
It's the same SOC as the console so would the Windows Store version of games recognize it as such and automatically set settings and the like? I could see that being quite useful from a simplicity factor
I'd assume first party games would have some sort of preset built in but this seems like it could end up being a compatibility/optimization mess.
*If the rumor is true
Yeah I think we are aligned on what their long term strategy is. I'm just wondering now if the next iteration may fall short of it by confusing the player base with a half baked solution on the PC side. Following that, Xbox may not even have the runway to achieve the true long term vision.
Exactly. Buying a branded PC in a console shell makes no sense what so ever if there is no upside to it, it'll just be more expensive without upgradability and might come with incompatibility problems from not using common parts.
UNLESS, the goal all along is to abandon the console side eventually. That the BC is needed to keep the customers happy, but wait another 8 years and maybe the complaints would die down. The PC with an Xbox sticker is the final goal and where they want their customers to migrate, and the one with the BC chip is just a placeholder to stop the old guard from just giving up and go PlayStation.
Giving up and go PlayStation makes even less sense for someone invested on Xbox. Then everything has to be repurchased and no saves carry over or achievements or friends etc. Blank slate transition.
But just as most people wouldn't care to play most of NES titles today, Xbox is hoping that less and less of the old Xbox library stay relevant after next gen. And everything that is going to be new for Xbox will ALL be play-anywhere. Thus the gap will shrink.
Yeah, they are sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place. They either drop BC support and essentially abandon their fanbase with the hopes they just move to PC, or they continue to put time and money into the console space despite obviously not having a great time.
If all you want is BC support, isn't it better to just buy a few spare Series_X? At least then you still have BC for the discs.
The game devs have to worry about the volume of sales. Basically there is no point to make any adjustments for Xbox when the market is so small.
Unless they somehow make every single game work on Windows then no they won't have BC from Day 1. Play Anywhere is not having console BC because you are missing all of the console BC games on top of a ton of native Xbox One and Series titles.
I have a lot of doubts about what the new Xbox will be like, but one thing I'm certain of is that the "next generation" of Xbox games will just be PC games running on a PC with an "Xbox Inside" sticker.
Subsidized doesn't mean losing money, it means they (Sony) pay less for hardware and therefore can sell it for cheaper than an off-the-shelf equivalent.
BC on console should still be possible for legacy BC titles as Xbox already updated their licensing with publishers to allow emulation back in the Xbox one era. They probably already have emulators that can run on Win32 APIs (as opposed to custom Windows NT). And for one X and series X games, they should be able to handle it either via emulation or natively as they are already on x86.
What's a Win32 kernel?
