No way. He took all the hits in matches during the Shield AND did all the jumping from the rafters big moves. He was the most important member in hindsight and I was a Roman guy at the time.
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No way. He took all the hits in matches during the Shield AND did all the jumping from the rafters big moves. He was the most important member in hindsight and I was a Roman guy at the time.
Professor Beef
Banned
Bear in mind that Ryback probably saved kallisto from having a serious accident. But yeah lol ryback mirite
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
A billion dollar company created this
Power Point tier right there.
Thing is, in the 2014 Rumble, people were going berserk for him against Batista. People were going berserk for him when the Shield took on the Wyatts, and Reigns was the one who stood face to face with Bray. The fans were all in on Roman, until the second they thought he was going to be the chosen one (thanks Punk!), at which point, even though nothing had changed, they started to turn on him.
The Reigns hate has never made sense to me, and this is as a giant Daniel Bryan stan. Frankly, I want Reigns to be the over #1 babyface because I think you can then turn Cena heel, which I think could legitimately kickstart another renaissance in WWE.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Far better. He is a good worker. His character sucked prior to a few months ago.
He's just good now (seriously), but it's too late to save him without a reboot heel turn.
TheXfactor
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I'm not sure if a good looking guy with a good build and size is really what people want anymore, or ever really want. In fact it almost seems like if you are pushed because your attractive, people hate you even more. They really need to reevaluate what people want in this new age, because being good looking is meaning less and less as the years go on.
this is pretty much the roman reigns experiment in a nutshell
people aren't shitting on his entirely because of his actual work as a performer
it's because it became abundantly clear that he was chosen to be THE GUY despite not even remotely earning it
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean Vince's THE GUYs have been a thing for a long time so people rebel against them.
They're gonna rebel against Big Cass too if and when he gets a Roman Push.
They're gonna rebel against Big Cass too if and when he gets a Roman Push.
Well let's not give him a pass on performance. He really did shit the bed in terms of promos and being compelling to watch. Now he had shit material, and inconsistent approaches, but so does damn near everyone, and other guys are able to make something out of it He couldn't.
oh there's no doubt he's the shits
i'm just saying that's not exclusively why everyone seems to hate him, and not even the main reason why
there is no saving this cena 2.0 character, especially not after he gets suspended for 30 days... only to come back and main event a ppv, likely winning the title back in the process
IdreamofHIME
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The Punk podcast was definitely a hit job. Dude was dead in the water after that, especially how much Punk talked up Seth and Ambrose...but then a lot of it was actually true and was more a case of releasing the blinkers from people's eyes. The Shield was awesome, but Vince only saw it as a vehicle to push Roman and had him on an accelerated path to glory that most people hadn't worked out yet.
Timing fucked Roman over too as fans were angry over Punks treatment and DBry was lined up for career assassination next, so seeing two underdog favs get screwed while The Rocks little cousin went into cruise control ruffled more than a few jimmies.
The Silver
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The narrative of CM Punk and Daniel Bryan back to back had a major impact on everything. The whole thing with those 2 was that they weren't Vince's GUYS, they were the fans GUYS, fans had to yell and scream and rebel and do everything possible to get those 2 to the top.
It's now become a part of the whole WWE culture that anyone who Vince wants equals bad and you have to rebel your heart out to change it. It's a continuing storyline that WWE themselves created that you're supposed to view the corporation as evil, it's just been taken to the next level.
Reigns didn't get cheered against Batista necessarily because people loved Reigns so much, it was because Batista was Vince's GUY and at the time Reigns wasn't, he was "the fans".
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Being pushed for his looks is a big part of why people shit on him, but the other aspect, the thing that Vince McMahon misses entirely is that there's no place for a character like Roman in the WWE today. He's the epitome of the imposing, musclebound, tattooed alpha male. No mic skills--all brawn and little (likable) personality. Literally beating his chest and roaring right before he does a move.
That type of "personality" would have made a killing in the 80's or 90's, but it's 2016, and we need more of a reason to care.
Strangelove77
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Honestly outside of being a monster character, how far can you really get when you can't cut a promo?
And I'm not saying he's mediocre or just ok, he can't cut a promo to save his life. Reigns is absolutely terrible at it. He might as well be standing there staring at the written words on his palm. He's that awkward when he says anything and I think he's gotten past the point where he can be taught. I don't think he can.
People liked him in The Shield because he didn't ever say shit, he had better people do it for him, and he wrestled maybe 3 minutes a match. Dude just stood there looking imposing then jumped in to spear people. In that vacuum he did fine.
But not having someone talk for him and watching him wrestle a full match? He's got nothing to offer.
He doesn't deserve his spot. And not because he doesn't work hard, but because he's just not good enough for it. He lacks shit you can't teach.
And I'm not saying he's mediocre or just ok, he can't cut a promo to save his life. Reigns is absolutely terrible at it. He might as well be standing there staring at the written words on his palm. He's that awkward when he says anything and I think he's gotten past the point where he can be taught. I don't think he can.
People liked him in The Shield because he didn't ever say shit, he had better people do it for him, and he wrestled maybe 3 minutes a match. Dude just stood there looking imposing then jumped in to spear people. In that vacuum he did fine.
But not having someone talk for him and watching him wrestle a full match? He's got nothing to offer.
He doesn't deserve his spot. And not because he doesn't work hard, but because he's just not good enough for it. He lacks shit you can't teach.
When the Shield broke up Seth got a new individual identity. Dean got a new individual identity.
Roman didn't. He's X-Pac. He's the guy still using the D-X music years after they break up.
Pop-O-Matic
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"Failing wellness testing," or, in layman's terms, drugs.
StylesClash
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You guys are shitting on Seth now? What the hell is wrong with you? Next you'll be shitting on AJ.
Professor Beef
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"now" lol
The person you quoted was talking about Roman though?
lol Punk did not cause the fans to think Roman was the chosen one, they'd already started turning on him by that point.
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thepotatoman
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Seeing as most of us aren't Vince, but just fans instead, of course we should want the fan's guys to be pushed the most.
You guys are really overselling Reigns if you think he'd be the fan's guy if they didn't smell Vince's stink on him. Yes they liked him as part of the shield, but I really can't imagine fans ever clamoring for him to get the belt no matter how he was booked, outside of maybe the Ziggler position of being around long enough that fans want to see a pity run given to him, or the Santino position of wanting to see someone surprising win.
Here's the problem with Roman...
They don't book him as a bad ass. His role in the Shield was to fuck people up. That's it. And it got him over. So they turn him face and ask him to cut long promos and wrestle matches where heels get heat on him. They did the same thing to Goldberg, never realising THAT'S NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT.
Now Roman is no Goldberg (that dude had the fucking IT factor from day one, was an athletic monster at Brock levels - I mean dude was doing fucking backflips as a set-up for spears), but if they'd mixed the 'fuck you' attitude of WWF Austin with the intensity of WCW Goldberg they'd have been fine.
It's not even rocket science - Roman as the underdog in any angle is stupid. And despite the jokes, Roman SHOULD be made to look big and strong. He's never been booked like that really, he's always been booked as a goofy Daniel Bryan size wrestler. Which is fucking bizarre - the guy should never be put in a situation where he's talking at a heel casually - he should be cutting short 'I'm going to fuck him up' promos at best. And fighting heels in arena wide brawls that are chaotic as anything.
Or, ya know, ignore all of that and make Ambrose the guy given he actually works as a underdog and a bad ass and people get behind him because, despite his average promos, he seems authentic. Like his entire feud with Lesnar revolved around 'I hate you' as a motivation. Just two guys who wanted to beat the shit out of each other. Is it any surprise that people get more behind Ambrose every time they do a sporadic push for him than they ever did for Reigns?
The Silver
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I don't have to oversell him we already saw proof of this at the Rumble when fans wanted him to beat Batista, at that moment in time he was the fan's guy. I already said it didn't have much to do with the quality of Reigns himself, it was more "anyone but Batista". If Roman won that night he would've gotten cheered like crazy as he would've been seen as the "saviour" from Vince's GUY. What would happen after that is anyone's guess, Bryan was still around.
Yeah, let's not rewrite history.
On that night the fans wanted Bryan to win, but when they knew he wasn't going to they fucking jumped behind Reigns. And while you can say 'oh, anyone but Batista' it's worth noting that fans weren't in a 'anyone but Reigns' mindset the next year. They sure as shit didn't want Rusev to win the Rumble, for example.
People retconning what Reigns brought to the Shield is breathtaking. Ambrose and Rollins were amazing in their roles, but take out Reigns and that group loses a lot. It's like the original NWO, Hall and Nash got you in the door but choose anyone other than Hogan and that shit isn't talked about with reverence for decades.
And amusingly, the fans have no one to blame but themselves. If Reigns got booed that night, he'd never have been the guy. That was his first full on test, and the cheers got him through it. Now Vince can always point to that show and go 'the fans wanted it once, they can want it again.'
I personally didn't realize at the time how absolutely dreadful he was on the mic. I just thought he hadn't had a chance to talk yet. But holy shit is he horrible in conveying any sort of personality or meaningful dialog. Ambrose and Rollins completely shit on him from that standpoint. I stopped cheering for him because he has zero personality that I feel I would want to get behind. Once he wasn't with the Shield anymore, that armor of being a part of something went away and we got to see what Roman was all about. We saw that he's not really about shit that fans would root for.
Maybe that's not his fault. Maybe he's being creatively hamstrung. I don't know.
excelsiorlef
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Yep the dude is negative charisma with a fucking spear finish.
He was surrounded by a better talker (Ambrose) and a physical highlight reel (Rollins). He worked great as muscle, go in do your thing get out. Let Ambrose do the mic work (though ROllins ain't bad either), let Rollins wow the crowd and you just take care of business.
Without that he's got fucking nothing. Seems like a nice guy and I do feel bad for him, same way I sort of feel bad for Cena, but he's boring as The Guy.
I flat out miss the Shield, none of them have really been the same since. Definitely a classic case of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.
ANd I agree though with other folks saying that without Roman Shield doesn't work, but frankly without any of them Shield doesn't work, that's what makes them so goddamn rare. Lightning in a bottle.
Was it weed? Because they skip around with their selective bias for steroids/HGH for however long they have had the policy installed. And who can forget their Orton Rule of removing past strikes after a certain amount of time. It's a joke.
Like the story Scott Steiner said, they asked him to take a test and he said he would as long as Triple H does. They never asked him again.
Like the story Scott Steiner said, they asked him to take a test and he said he would as long as Triple H does. They never asked him again.
Quality reference, I bethink thee talk show posted on the Internet
I don't like Roman and yet, I cannot the detect the lies in this post
If people weren't entertained by Roman's last three pay-per-view matches, there's no helping them. Even those who are entertained solely by movez should be going nuts over his black tiger bomb.
I think you need to take anything Scott Steiner says with a shaker of salt, though I'd personally be surprised if Triple H - and even more recent signings like Neville - hadn't been on something that they shouldn't have been at some point. It doesn't really bother me; any athletic or aesthetic advantage doesn't really have an effect like it would in, say, bodybuilding or weightlifting; the only real problem is the impact on their own health.
I think you need to take anything Scott Steiner says with a shaker of salt, though I'd personally be surprised if Triple H - and even more recent signings like Neville - hadn't been on something that they shouldn't have been at some point. It doesn't really bother me; any athletic or aesthetic advantage doesn't really have an effect like it would in, say, bodybuilding or weightlifting; the only real problem is the impact on their own health.
Weed only gets wrestlers fined, not suspended. Now if it was something synthetic like spice then that's a whole different story.
Yeah, this thing is completely on him, but being so hated is mostly because of terrible booking. I definitely agree on the "you cant wrestle", Im fine with the boos, but yeah, he have consistently great matches, and have a lot of potential. Lets hope this finally pushes them into turning him heel!
BladeoftheImmortal
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It's all Vincent's and he rarely shares it.
A billion dollar company created this
You don't see the contradiction here?
Scott is one of those types who throw aside the bullshit and speak things fairly candidly. Up there with Bret and Batista in not giving a fuck. In Scott's run in the early 2000's, I think it would have been a safe argument that Hunter was roiding. Sure Cena has at some point too, either to increase his ridiculous size or to help recover from injury. Edge admitted to its use back on the Landsberg interview right before his big run - assuming this was to aid his injuries he kept having.
HazySaiyan
Banned
That's not true at all, as soon as Bryan was eliminated the fans shit all over the match because they knew what was about to happen. At the end of the match the fans were chanting 'we want Rusev' because they knew he hadn't been eliminated yet, they wanted anybody but Reigns.
Dick Justice
Banned
Austin had a very good reason for that. Plus he made up for it with everything else.
Very few wrestlers have more than a handful of moves because that's how wrestling works. CM Punk, Bret Hart, Ric Flair. It's a ludicrous reason to criticise a wrestler.
You two are literally talking about two different Royal Rumble matches.
Roman getting a title shot IMMEDIATELY after the Shield broke up made it abundantly clear. And somehow despite that we were supposed to believe the story that SETH was the hand-picked favored guy. While Seth was constantly having obstacles put in his way and forced to earn things. Oooookay.
All this is totally true, and by the time they course corrected the damage had already been done.
Dude was saying the chants are wrong.
You're right, the real story of the 2014 Rumble is that it was being torn apart because Bryan wasn't even in it.
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
We thought he was the next Cena
Turns out he's the next Orton
Also I've grown to like Roman as a performer but please stop cocking your fist before the super man punch
Turns out he's the next Orton
Also I've grown to like Roman as a performer but please stop cocking your fist before the super man punch
Reigns isn't smooth like Orton is. He can't surprise you like Orton can. Let's also not forget that Orton probably had the best heel persona of the last 2 decades, the Legend Killer. Reigns doesn't know what a persona is.
Can't wait to see a montage of Roman in an alley in Vegas shooting up and twitching and then back at the gym drinking milk to redesign, rebuild, reclaim.
There is alot of gold in this thread for Seth to pick from. The one that made me laugh first from a friend:
They weren't good drugs.
They weren't bad drugs.
They were THE drugs.
There is alot of gold in this thread for Seth to pick from. The one that made me laugh first from a friend:
They weren't good drugs.
They weren't bad drugs.
They were THE drugs.
HazySaiyan
Banned
Is he not talking about the 2015 Rumble? That was the one where Bryan got eliminated and the crowd turned on the match. Bryan wasn't even in the 2014 match.
Roman can't do big and strong. Even with the massive lifts in his shoes to make him look taller and the padding in his vest to puff out his chest, he is still inconsequentially bigger then his opponents at best and still smaller at worst. Making HHH almost barefoot so Roman would be taller at mania was hilarious.
Also every move he does looks like it takes every ounce of strength he has left.
His superhuman genetics burn through the roids so quickly no test can ever detect them.
But really though, he probably is clean. Stakes are way too high for him. I mean, think of the children.
Sir_Crocodile
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Cena has an absolutely insane work ethic, so I wouldn't be surprised if his body was entirely from the gym.
I may hate the way he sells, the shabbiness of his moves and the way he belittles heels in promos, but he definitely gives 100% to the company.
Exactly, the crowd turned on that one as well. He makes reference to Batista in his post - the final two men in 2014 being Roman Reigns and Batista, who wasn't with the company in 2015. Reigns was favoured heavily.
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