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[Rapstah]

Holy shit, was not expecting them to come out of this looking worse than coming into it.

If they are going to unify the belts then they are fucking up because of the current situation. They don't know how to book Cena and Orton in non-belt storylines so they would just be taking turns feuding over the WWE championship until Cena retires in 2023.

 

[Conrad Link]

Best part of the entire PPV was when a Daniel Bryan chant broke out during the Big Shoe and Borton match lol.

I don't even give a shit anymore, terrible.

 

[antonz]

Best part of the entire PPV was when a Daniel Bryan chant broke out during the Big Shoe and Borton match lol.

I don't even give a shit anymore, terrible.

Best tweet of the night was

@KissXGoodnightX 7h Crowd was chanting "boring" and "Daniel Bryan" throughout the main event. @WWE Take. The. Fucking. Hint.

 

[JPeeples83]

Loved Reigns getting the spotlight and Bryan getting a big chant in the main event. The rest of the show was just sorta there. Shockingly great lighting setup for Curtis Axel of all people tonight. Shame he's not the slightest bit over. Like the past couple of shows, this one peaked with Goldust's match and went down from there. Cena-Orton again...eh...while it SHOULD feel less stale due to so much time passing, realistically it's the same happy Cena vs. The Viper Orton who hears voices and has sleeve tats, so yeah it's not even going to LOOK different.

 

[paile]

So life basically imitates art when they call Daniel Brian a B player?

 

[Aiii]

So life basically imitates art when they call Daniel Brian a B player?

They're legit blaming Bryan for the last 3 PPV's doing bad numbers, when in fact people hate screwjob finishes, hate bad sloppy booking, hate creative directions where Bryan just gets beat down 2 months long on every Raw and hate Randy Orton and Triple H.

So yeah, it's like one big metajoke on every person watching wrestling.

 

[Rapstah]

They actually switched the name of the Bryan/Punk tag team to "The Best and the Beard" halfway through their match. Stealth burial?

 

[Aiii]

They actually switched the name of the Bryan/Punk tag team to "The Best and the Beard" halfway through their match. Stealth burial?

Nah, the announcers last night gave as much of a crap as the people watching did, so that's why.

 

[Into]

Its only because of the last 3 awful PPVs that this one did not seem as bad. The finish to the main event was shit, its like they did not even bother scripting a more elaborate way for Hunter to cost The Giant the title.

Basically all the Bryan bullshit and all the The Giant crying bullshit = this is the result. Shitty finishes to PPV's.

Remember at SummerSlam i think, when Michaels wanted to hit Bret with a chair and accidentally hit the Undertaker when he was a special referee? Remember how unique that was and how it actually set off new branches of the storyline for the characters to evolve into?

Back then, if they were giving you a screwy finish, they would at least put some effort into it. Now they did not even bother, play DA KANG OF KANGS ZHUG ZHUG ZHUUUUG music, The Giant turns around, looks, bam, finish.

Pointless.

The result of last 4 PPVs:

1. Bryan is a B level star, you can cheer for him and do the YES!, but he sucks according to WWE
2. Big Slow cried, broke down emotionally, punched Dusty Rhodes, turned, nobody gave a fuck, lost because music distracted him.
3. Randy Orton is a lesser star than he was when he was a face, now he is Hunter's lackey, needed to cheat to beat a B player in Bryan which makes Orton a B- or C+ player? Hmm.

All this shit while Ziggler, Big E, Ambrose, Bryan, Punk and tons of other talented guys are doing jack shit, winning mid card matches so they can job to The Giant, Hunter and if they are lucky, job to Taker. WCW esque

 

[Check Mark]

Why can't heel Orton just be... you know... good at wrestling, but with a bad attitude? Or any heel champion for that matter. Punk became a coward when he turned heel with the title too. I guess that was necessary though since he was still getting cheered...

 

[Kaladin]

Why can't heel Orton just be... you know... good at wrestling, but with a bad attitude? Or any heel champion for that matter. Punk became a coward when he turned heel with the title too. I guess that was necessary though since he was still getting cheered...

Heels are coward cheap shot artists who you want to see fail. You can have a heel that is just that damn good, but you can't do it too often. When you have a heel like that, there is always a danger of either them getting over or ruining the angle to the point where it is not believable for any current babyface to defeat them based on skill. It works best when you have a monster heel who runs through people based on size and intimidation factor, and is met with someone who has the skill to defeat them and overcome the intimidation that others couldn't.

 

[Check Mark]

Heels are coward cheap shot artists who you want to see fail. You can have a heel that is just that damn good, but you can't do it too often. When you have a heel like that, there is always a danger of either them getting over or ruining the angle to the point where it is not believable for any current babyface to defeat them based on skill. It works best when you have a monster heel who runs through people based on size and intimidation factor, and is met with someone who has the skill to defeat them and overcome the intimidation that others couldn't.

The Shield weren't cowards and were undefeated for the longest time. When they finally lost the Universe exploded. Why can't that happen with a heel WWE/World champion? I can't remember the last time they did that.

Edit: The Shield aren't "monster" heels either. They're just good.

 

[Kaladin]

The Shield weren't cowards and were undefeated for the longest time. When they finally lost the Universe exploded. Why can't that happen with a heel WWE/World champion? I can't remember the last time they did that.

Edit: The Shield aren't "monster" heels either. They're just good.

They were and they weren't. They swapped out the intimidation factor of a monster heel with being a cohesive heel unit. I mean, they were also intimidating, but the thing that made them unstoppable was how they worked together as one team. That was something that a random pairing of three babyfaces could not overcome for some time. It worked the same way as the monster heel singles push did, just with a different angle.

 

[strobogo]

The Universe didn't explode when Shield finally lost because it was on Smackdown and involved Christian.

 

[SonicXtreme]

do they actually expect people to shell out $50 for these PPVs? it ended 15 minutes before 11, literally like 20 minutes shorter than every single RAW, and they end it with 2 idiots running in the ring just holding their belts off, not even with a scuffle there. what the hell?

 

[kiguel182]

Such a boring PPV.

The opener was okay, not anything amazing but it was probably the best match of the night (not that is an hard feat to accomplish)

Punk/Bryan match was not bad either but it felt very generic for those two, there were not surprises there. It was very formulaic.

Then we had the boring stuff with Big E/Axel, Cena/ADR (even if it was better than excepted) and Henry/Ryback (not awful but nothing stands out)

Then we had the awfulness that was the Divas match and Orton/Show. I have no idea what those was. The main-event has to be one of the worse this year, awful.

I hope the end tease doesn't happen at Mania. Let them unify them at Rumble and give us something new at Mania.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I'm not upset with HHH. I'm upset with Vince and Stephanie.


HHH is the reason why guys like Dolph Ziggler, the Shield, and the Wyatts are around (Vince wanted to repackage the wyatts, Steph and vince wanted to fire ziggler years ago, and they both wanted to feed the shield to cena and then dissolve them, ala the Nexus.). Does HHH have an ego? Yes, but that's not the issue we're seeing. Once Steph and Vince get involved with something, that's when things turn poorly. Every single good thing the WWE has had going for it that has been subsequently ruined has had a common theme: Vince and/or Steph have gotten directly involved in the booking/writing.

I'm convinced the Authority stuff is Vince and, to a lesser extent, Stephanie wanting to stroke the family's ego, and appeasing HHH by getting a few of his boys involved.

From what I can see, HHH has an amazing track record when Steph and Vince let him do things as he wants (recruiting talent, building them up, NXT, choosing when to bring talent up to the main shows...) It's once they get to the main shows that Vnice and steph get involved, and THAT'S when things turn to shit... or just don't progress at all

 

[strobogo]

I'm upset with a company that not only doesn't give its fans what they want, but goes out of their way to do so. That's offensive to me. I'm not even talking about internet fans. I'm talking the fans in the arena paying for shows. WWE goes out of their way to offend those fans on a regular basis.

 

[DMczaf]

I'm pretty sure more PPVs have ended with Daniel Bryan chants than Daniel Bryan himself.

 

[UberTag]

I'm upset with a company that not only doesn't give its fans what they want, but goes out of their way to do so. That's offensive to me. I'm not even talking about internet fans. I'm talking the fans in the arena paying for shows. WWE goes out of their way to offend those fans on a regular basis.

They have an outward contempt for their audience.
That, above anything else, should discourage people from sampling their product even when they do put on a good show.

It's not even about telling stories or being entertaining any more. It's simply about being contrarian for the stubborn sake of doing the opposite of what people want.

What boggles me is when they decide to go a different path and have an angle turn into some unwatchable disaster on-screen and they then go out of their way to sabotage it and trash it as it happens via their commentary. How does that make any sense? "This segment is awful - let's make a bunch of unfunny jokes where we insult the talent and quip references." How does that make people want to tune in?

It almost makes me wish I knew Spanish so I could listen to the same segment with the Spanish commentary crew that Vince isn't interfering with and juxtapose the sentiment of the two commentary teams against one another. I'd be willing to bet that the Spanish guys are much more engaged, call moves and do a much better job of putting the product & talent over than Michael Cole and company do.

It's almost like the sheer absence of worthwhile competition from TNA, ROH and other companies has forced the WWE into some self-destructive funk where they're their own worst enemy just so they have some obstacle to overcome - even if it's entirely of their own doing.

 

[Misterhbk]

I haven't watched wwe in quite some time but wtf? No Ziggler? And yes to heel Miz!!

 

[DominoKid]

I'm upset with a company that not only doesn't give its fans what they want, but goes out of their way to do so. That's offensive to me. I'm not even talking about internet fans. I'm talking the fans in the arena paying for shows. WWE goes out of their way to offend those fans on a regular basis.

It's hilarious to me. That's why the Bryan chants during Orton/Show were awesome. As well as Bryan & Punk getting the biggest reactions of the night.

I look forward to seeing the story developments the WWE will come up w/ to ignore these reactions.

 

[Glorified G]

It gets better

Mark Henry Update

Orton is scheduled to face Henry on the December 7th & 8th house shows.

Credit PWInsider.com

if that's the main event feud before Cena/Orton at WM.....

 

[Anth0ny]

Best tweet of the night was

As long as Orton keeps getting that high pitched squeal of applause every time his music hits (read: female fans that buy his merch), all the "boring" and "Daniel Bryan" chants in the world aren't going to stop them from keeping Orton in the main event.

That being said, the crowd chanting "BORING" during every Orton match no matter what is happening, much like the "X-Pac sucks!" chants of the attitude era, would be awesome.

 

[Shamrock7r]

They have an outward contempt for their audience.

Smarks think this but the reality is smarks couldn't give two shits about story. They simply want to see "their guy" do well and be at the top of the card. I love analyzing shows like the rest of you, but don't lie to yourselves. There is not another show I can think of that has a viewing base watching not because they want to watch a story unfold and enjoy it for what it is, but because they want to play "Wrestling Writer/Booker simulator" and write about what they would have done differently.

 

[strobogo]

But the main difference between wrestling and a normal TV show is that what wrestling fans want and react to directly affect what happens on future shows (in theory, at least).

 

[Shadowlink]

Roman Reigns and spears... Nuff said

Seriously. It was mostly boring and not convincing. The only thing that got me excited was the last surviving members of The Shield battling, otherwise it was seriously boring. This was NOT Survival Series in any shape or form. This is like another Smackdown or RAW special show with the name Survivor Series slapped on. WWE has killed, severely damaged, or has lost what make Survivor Series special and the way they are going, just like Summerslam, they won't get it back.

WWE seriously need to get new talent (wrestlers and managements) or build their current talents to stronger standards. They need a better and more varied roster (their tag team and Divas roster are atrociously small). They also need to keep to the themes of what makes WrestleMania, Royal Rumble, Survial Series, and Summerslam so special. They need to overhaul everything! They need to go back to the late 90s and early 2000s in order to go forward, and so much more. WWE can still become an incredible wrestling show, but they way they are going they are shamelessly predictable, boring, and only have a few wrestling members that are making things interesting.

Just read the results. Glad to see that I made the right decision to skip this.

 

[Shamrock7r]

But the main difference between wrestling and a normal TV show is that what wrestling fans want and react to directly affect what happens on future shows (in theory, at least).

While I agree, What the internet community wants and what the casual audience wants are sometimes different, and WWE recognizes this. When WWE makes a decision based on what they think the casual fanbase will gravitate towards, some people on here take it as a personal insult, ie: Vince read my post and is intentionally doing the opposite of what I want to spite me!

 

[strobogo]

Trojan X is wrong. WWE doesn't need to go back to the late 90s or early 2000s. They need to go back to the late 80s and early 90s, with actual jobbers, defined characters, and guys getting a ton of time to work on their promos. There was a time when a match between two mid carders could be a valid TV main event, because even a match like that seems like a big deal when most the matches are enhancement matches.


Especially in an age where WWE has zero competition, there is no need to have their top guys wrestling every week. WWE has been so boring in the last few years because they've done every match up possible repeatedly on TV and PPV. John Cena wrestles more on TV in one year than Hogan did his entire Hulkamania run in the WWF. I did the math once and it was something like it would haven taken Hogan 70 something years on top to have as many matches as Cena has had in 10.


Raw needs to have 1 bigger match per hour and the rest be legit jobber matches and character work. Cena should only wrestle on TV a handful of times per year. The world champs shouldn't be defending on TV every week. That's for the IC/US champion to do. World titles should be saved for PPV and only really big Raws.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Trojan X is wrong. WWE doesn't need to go back to the late 90s or early 2000s. They need to go back to the late 80s and early 90s, with actual jobbers, defined characters, and guys getting a ton of time to work on their promos. There was a time when a match between two mid carders could be a valid TV main event, because even a match like that seems like a big deal when most the matches are enhancement matches.


Especially in an age where WWE has zero competition, there is no need to have their top guys wrestling every week. WWE has been so boring in the last few years because they've done every match up possible repeatedly on TV and PPV. John Cena wrestles more on TV in one year than Hogan did his entire Hulkamania run in the WWF. I did the math once and it was something like it would haven taken Hogan 70 something years on top to have as many matches as Cena has had in 10.


Raw needs to have 1 bigger match per hour and the rest be legit jobber matches and character work. Cena should only wrestle on TV a handful of times per year. The world champs shouldn't be defending on TV every week. That's for the IC/US champion to do. World titles should be saved for PPV and only really big Raws.

I kind of agree with this, but I still like the goofy soap opera shit and don't wanna see that go away totally.

What they SHOULD do is go back to 2-hour Raws, but that'll never happen as long as they're making those big TV bucks.

 

[gurudyne]

While I agree, What the internet community wants and what the casual audience wants are sometimes different, and WWE recognizes this. When WWE makes a decision based on what they think the casual fanbase will gravitate towards, some people on here take it as a personal insult, ie: Vince read my post and is intentionally doing the opposite of what I want to spite me!

While there are a lot of histrionics on the Internet and forums in particular, it doesn't affect the underlying points being made. WWE's main product isn't very good right now. That the crowds are showing open contempt for the main event scene and how it's been handled lately shows that the opinions the forums hold are spreading into the general audience. Usually WWE course corrects enough that their general audience doesn't get fed up enough to boo the main event.

 

[Htown]

While I agree, What the internet community wants and what the casual audience wants are sometimes different, and WWE recognizes this. When WWE makes a decision based on what they think the casual fanbase will gravitate towards, some people on here take it as a personal insult, ie: Vince read my post and is intentionally doing the opposite of what I want to spite me!

and what about the fact that WWE actually goes against what the casual audience wants? you know, the thousands and thousands of people that actually buy tickets to the shows and such? Daniel Bryan got super popular with every segment of the fanbase, and they still wouldn't give him the belt for more than a night. There have actually been times when the crowd was cheering for a wrestler they liked, and commentary went out of its way to say the crowd was actually cheering for the other guy. They've gone back and edited footage to add cheers and/or delete boos that were coming from audiences of ten to twenty thousand people.

What about that makes you think WWE is listening to the casual fanbase?