Support NeoGAF

[Angst]

Didn't see this posted yet. Component/VGA cables sold separately, 1 wireless controller included and 1 ethernet cable. Also Xbox Live headset and harddisk included.

Eurogamer article

Still on for '05 launch according to another article .

 

[golem]

im pretty sure component and composite cables are the same for the 360..

 

[Cold-Steel]

im pretty sure component and composite cables are the same for the 360..

Not even close.

Microsoft wants to make money.

Sell system at a loss = money on games and accessories.

 

[TTP]

Still on for '05 launch according to another article .

Well, yeah. latest press release I got says "December worldwide"

 

[Blimblim]

im pretty sure component and composite cables are the same for the 360..

That's what MS told around E3 IIRC. But it could be for the US only. Considering that next to no one in Europe has a HDTV the component cable would not really be that useful there (sadly).

 

[cybamerc]

Considering that next to no one in Europe has a HDTV the component cable would not really be that useful there (sadly).

It's not just HDTVs that use component. There are a good number of CRT EDTVs available in Europe. Also, there are lots of cheap HD ready flat screens on the market. And M$ is in luck because there are even more flat screens that do not comply with the HD ready standard and only support the obsolete component and/or vga connections.

 

[Project Midway]

So we arent getting component cables and remote controller with the console? Wow what a shocker.

 

[Shiggy]

So what did happen to that camera? Wasn't it supported by Perfect Dark Zero?

European releasedate: November 22nd ?

 

[sangreal]

They said they won't release the camera until 5-6 games support it.

I don't think PDZ supports it anyway, btw.

edit:

What kind of new experiences will the 360's camera open up?

J Allard: Well the camera software support went into the dev kits in April or the end of March, so developers haven't had a lot of time with the camera yet. The good news however is that it's very straightforward. What our plan is with the camera is to integrate it deeply into the system as we did with voice last generation, so it's part of all games and it's part of the user experience. We'll launch the camera when there are five or six, or maybe the right number of games which are compatible with it, so it might not be something that we ship at launch. Until we have a line up for it that's exciting we're not going to launch it.

 

[theREBELins]

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-18204-x-35-35-1

The Xbox 360 Component HD AV Cable is an “all-in-one” solution for both Hi-Definition TVs that use component video input and Standard Definition TVs that use composite video input. The Component HD AV Cable provides optimal audio and video signal transfer, so you’ll experience true next-generation gaming. It’s important to note that this is the featured cable that is included with the Xbox 360 console.

 

[DarienA]

I thought the remote was going to be included?

...and excuse me?

802.11a, b or c

I guess G support, like for the PSP is coming later? Can you really stream multimedia wirelessly without hiccups at B speeds? Hmm just did some reading... A is actually comparable to G? Well when the hell did A come out? I thought it was an older protocol? (EDIT: Forget it, just did some reading up on A).

 

[Project Midway]

Well the original article is from EUROgamer and we have different cables here. SCART is propably the most common one here.

 

[cybamerc]

SCART is just a connector. And it isn't as common as composite in.

 

[sangreal]

... and the packaging shown was the (non-final) Japanese packaging

I don't think Eurogamer was even there. I think they are basing this on the fact that component cables will be sold as an accessory. Being sold as an accessory doesn't preclude it from being included in the box.

 

[Project Midway]

SCART is just a connector. And it isn't as common as composite in.

duh, I know. but they are called scart-cables. I would guess more tvs in europe have scart connectors than composite ins. Especially if tv is 5 years old or older. Thats why every console here comes with a scart adaptor.

 

[Ghost]

Xbox came with scart, theres no way 360 will ship with anything less (and very little chance for anything more)

 

[cybamerc]

SCART doesn't have to be RGB. Xbox may have come with an adapter but it probably just supported composite.

 

[The Faceless Master]

damn, don't tell me that the US and Japan get the component/composite hybrid cables and europe gets screwed as usual?

then again, that should be nothing new to eurogamers...

 

[Project Midway]

SCART doesn't have to be RGB. Xbox may have come with an adapter but it probably just supported composite.

Thats true, you have to buy a RGB scart cable separately. I dont think any console has launched in EU with RGB scart included.

 

[AB 101]

No component cables included?

HD Era my ass.

 

[sangreal]

No component cables included?

HD Era my ass.

way to read the thread

 

[bitwise]

way to read the thread

:lol

 

[Dr_Cogent]

err

 

[thorns]

Can you get HD through RGB scart? Or do you have to have component?

 

[sangreal]

What type of video connections will the Xbox 360 support right out of the box? What other options will be available?

Todd Holmdahl: Out of the box (North America), we will support component video (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i) and composite video (all worldwide variations). Aftermarket AV cables will add support for S-video, enhanced SCART RGB, and VGA.

.

 

[Hiro_Kunimi_80]

Can you get HD through RGB scart? Or do you have to have component?

only with component or vga ( dvi/hdmi )

 

[Gregory]

Thats true, you have to buy a RGB scart cable separately. I dont think any console has launched in EU with RGB scart included.

Actually, Dreamcast did. The first shipments atleast.

 

[Gregory]

only with component or vga ( dvi/hdmi )

But isn`t component basically the same as RGB? I thought Europe used RGB and America component. Is there even component here in Europe?

 

[Blimblim]

But isn`t component basically the same as RGB? I thought Europe used RGB and America component. Is there even component here in Europe?

Component is mostly the same thing as RGB, just a different way of describing a color. I think component is a bit lower quality than RGB, but since it's the native colorspace of many electronic components and software (especially MPEG2) it's ok.
I guess RGB could be used for HD, but the existing standard is component and it's more than doubtful that it will change. The few HDTVs available in Europe all carry some component inputs.

 

[sangreal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video

 

[mrklaw]

for Europe, component is effectively progressive 480/576p minimum. So it'll be considered for HD sets in Europe. We don't use it for interlaced connections as we have SCART RGB for that, which is well supported across our TV sets.

we also have crappy composite, but that usually plugs in via a SCART cable, which can carry composite, RGB and s-video, as well as L/R audio.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Not even close.

Microsoft wants to make money.

Sell system at a loss = money on games and accessories.

Yeah, MS is going to be rough with the accessories I fear. I can't believe they charged $30 for the DVD remote this gen, that was idiotic and just plain tight-assed.

So any predictions on controller pricing? I heard that for the first year only official peripherals will be available. Is that true?

 

[VALIS]

Yeah, MS is going to be rough with the accessories I fear. I can't believe they charged $30 for the DVD remote this gen, that was idiotic and just plain tight-assed.

Good god, tell me you're joking. MS was the only one of the three this gen who's "nickel and dime" shit was optional. Nintendo (controller length, memory cards) and Sony's (memory cards) wasn't. And their nickel and dime stuff STILL looks to be optional in the 360.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

So any predictions on controller pricing? I heard that for the first year only official peripherals will be available. Is that true?

How would they go about preventing the release of unlicensed controllers, and then do it for only one year?

 

[lachesis]

It would be "REALLY" nice, if they used the same AV cord for previous Xbox. I mean, using same AC cords for PS1 and PS2, or even SNES-N64-NGC was pretty nice too...

I spend small fortune on monster cables, it would be sweet if they used the same...

lachesis

 

[CO_Andy]

Yeah, MS is going to be rough with the accessories I fear. I can't believe they charged $30 for the DVD remote this gen, that was idiotic and just plain tight-assed.

Considering how much MS sacrificed to get the X-Box out in the market, I wouldn't complain.

Besides, we got a free harddrive, didn't we?

 

[Craig Majaski]

As other people in the thread already stated, the U.S. box comes with 1 wireless controller, 1 component + A/V cable, and 1 Xbox Live Headset. I suppose the Xbox 360 system and power supply will be in there as well.

I've also heard that only Microsoft will be making wireless controllers for the first year on the market. However, I've heard 3rd parties will be making corded USB controllers. I'm not sure if they'll be available at launch.

How much do you think the 1st party wireless controllers will retail for? I'm guessing at least $34.99 since that's what Wavebirds go for. I wouldn't be surprised to see $39.99.

 

[bill0527]

No component cables included?

HD Era my ass.

The Xbox 360 Component HD AV Cable is an “all-in-one” solution for both Hi-Definition TVs that use component video input and Standard Definition TVs that use composite video input. The Component HD AV Cable provides optimal audio and video signal transfer, so you’ll experience true next-generation gaming. It’s important to note that this is the featured cable that is included with the Xbox 360 console.

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-18204-x-35-35-1

You just seriously have to love the pure ownage of people who can't be bothered to read 20 posts in a thread without opening up their mouths and inserting foot.

 

[Lil' Dice]

Cool shit. Now we just need to have Sony announce what WILL NOT be included in the PS3 package.

 

[Teddman]

Oh well, guess my wireless bridge will still be handy for the next-generation of consoles, at least as far as 360 is concerned.

 

[fugimax]

Just as an FYI..

The US package is: System, Wireless Controller, Headset, Remote (not sure about cables)

Additionally..

Xbox 360 wireless controllers will be $54.99-$59.99.

 

[bill0527]

Just as an FYI..

The US package is: System, Wireless Controller, Headset, Remote (not sure about cables)

Additionally..

Xbox 360 wireless controllers will be $54.99-$59.99.

Can we get a link please?

I've got a link 2 posts above this from Gamespot saying the component cables are included.

 

[fugimax]

Can we get a link please?

The package I described was confirmed in a video interview with someone from MS at E3 (I think it was on kikizo..i could be wrong).

 

[DSN2K]

VGA cable will be mine

 

[Crag Dweller]

Between the console, a few games and assorted accessories I'm looking at $600.00 easy. I hope my oldest two sons don't think they're both going to get a 360 this christmas. Dad comes first this year kids!

 

[quin]

$54.99-$59.99 for a controller?!

 

[AB 101]

You just seriously have to love the pure ownage of people who can't be bothered to read 20 posts in a thread without opening up their mouths and inserting foot.

Must of missed that. Had to weed thru the yes it does and no it doesn't posts.

Guess you had nothing else better to do eh?

Guess I still have to change my Monster component cable going to my component video switcher. Thankfully I got the damn thing pretty cheap.

 

[sangreal]

The package I described was confirmed in a video interview with someone from MS at E3 (I think it was on kikizo..i could be wrong).

You're talking about the Robbie Bach interview..


Where did you get that price though?

 

[Mrbob]

55 bucks for a wireless controller? What kind of proprietary bullshit is MS using to charge such an insane price? And they are going to make people pay for a charger on top of that? 60 dollar games and 60 dollar controllers makes X360 bomba.

I don't believe that controller price. I say 35 bucks tops.

 

[zackattack]

How much was the original fat xbox controller at launch? I seem to remember $40-50, but I could be wrong.