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[Oof85]

lol it would be funny if Sony had one of their insanely talented studios develop an exclusive space epic

Which Sony studio has ever displayed the ability to pack as many varying systems together in one game as Bethesda has?

Sony has shown themselves to be master's of a certain type of game, that is literally at the opposite end of the spectrum from Starfield and games of that ilk.

 

[Buggy Loop]

It's gonna be a futile attempt to know if the MASSES of gamepass memberships for peoples who get hyped on it, maybe buy a 1 year membership and then drop the game after 2 or 3 months, be worth more money than the direct sales.

Even if it ends at a loss, Microsoft's got big pockets to fuck around competition.

 

[Ozriel]

How fucking retarded must you be to think that exclusivity on the least-selling platform will get you more than selling "your" game on the platform with an install base of 40 million users.

Someone probably crunched the numbers and decided exclusivity would have a better chance of driving GP subs and console hardware sales.

That seems like a logical assumption.

"Exclusives" are fine, this is what people are making fun of.

that statement has always been about accessibility in gaming. Not about Xbox going third party.

But you already knew that.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Which Sony studio has ever displayed the ability to pack as many varying systems together in one game as Bethesda has?

Sony has shown themselves to be master's of a certain type of game, that is literally at the opposite end of the spectrum from Starfield and games of that ilk.

Just imagined flying a space ship really slowly behind another spaceship while it talks to you

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Those criticizing the move, turn it around towards PlayStation and decide how much Sony lost by not putting Horizon, GoW and TLoU and Spider Man on Xbox.

MS finally understands the importance of exclusives. If you fault MS for doing what Sony and Nintendo have done all along, you're being a raging hypocrite.

The difference being, Sony - just like Nintendo - built their status and fan base due to decades of creating good, memorable franchises by using their own studios (or having a good relationship with 3rd party ones), not outright buying companies aka "talent".
Some of the greatest franchises in gaming history were born on their platforms (MGS, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Castlevania, MegaMan etc etc), I mean, if you don't get or respect that then you're also a raging hypocrite.

MS are like the rich kids at school where they pay the "nerd kid" to have their homework/essays done, they have all the money in the world but they have absolutely zero in-house talent, that's why they haven't had any good, memorable exclusives in the past...20+ fucking years (OG Xbox).
You could argue that once upon a time they had Halo, Gears, the Ninja gaidens, JSRF, the Otogis and the Dead or Alives (if you're old enough to remember that) but nowadays...yeah, no one gives 2 fucks about Halo nor Gears anymore, they're basically a Forza company now.

It's gotten to the point where basically, their motto is "if you can't beat them, buy 'em outright", there's a difference between having or nurturing talent and buying it.

If you fault Sony and Nintendo for doing what MS has done all along, you're being a raging hypocrite.

 

[Topher]

Those criticizing the move, turn it around towards PlayStation and decide how much Sony lost by not putting Horizon, GoW and TLoU and Spider Man on Xbox.

MS finally understands the importance of exclusives. If you fault MS for doing what Sony and Nintendo have done all along, you're being a raging hypocrite.

PlayStation loses a lot less in excluding Xbox than Xbox does in excluding PlayStation.

I'm not faulting anyone for exclusives, but I don't see Sony or Nintendo executives championing gamers being able to play anywhere they want either. Pointing out how Phil Spencer is different in that regard and yet his actions are exactly the same is not hypocrisy.

 

[Clear]

You wouldn’t pick the one game that drove more interest in their Showcase than any other game in years? The one with a Deep Dive that went viral?

I thought the response was very positive from the Xbox/Bethesda fanbase, but just decent from those outside. It didn't strike me as being nearly as visually dynamic or impactful as Cyberpunk or RDR2, and I don't see deep dives doing much for the TikTok generation.

Remember, the goal is to create more users. So those already into Bethesda games (which is a big audience) or already in the Xbox and PC ecosystems matter less.

And the bigger point is that if they were originally hoping to shift 10m units on PS5, how many converts from there are they likely to get to cover for the over half a billion dollars they are leaving on the table by making it exclusive.

 

[lastmessiah]

The difference being, Sony - just like Nintendo - built their status and fan base due to decades of creating good, memorable franchises by using their own studios, not outright buying companies aka "talent".
Some if the greatest franchises in gaming history were born on their platforms (MGS, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Castlevania, MegaMan etc etc), I mean, if you don't get or respect that then you're also a raging hypocrite.

MS are like the rich kids at school where they pay the "nerd kid" to have their homework/essays done, they have all the money in the world but they have absolutely zero in-house talent, that's why they haven't had any good, memorable exclusives in the past...20+ fucking years (OG Xbox).
You could argue that once upon a time they had Halo, Gears, the Ninja gaidens, JSRF, the Otogis and the Dead or Alives (if you're old enough to remember that) but nowadays...yeah, no one gives 2 fucks about Halo nor Gears anymore, they're basically a Forza company now.

So? That had nothing to do with Sony, they just released games that were developed by those studios.

 

[STARSBarry]

I'm sure it was a creative choice.

 

[Pop]

Imagine wanting to lose out on 500 million

No way they make up that. Most will pay a month for $10 to play Starfield

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

PlayStation loses a lot less in excluding Xbox than Xbox does in excluding PlayStation.

I'm not faulting anyone for exclusives, but I don't see Sony or Nintendo executives championing gamers being able to play anywhere they want either. Pointing out how Phil Spencer is different in that regard and yet his actions are exactly the same is not hypocrisy.

I just see a bunch of salty fanboys being mad that Xbox console exclusives are not on PlayStation, and it seems like a double standard to me, regardless of what these figure heads say, which is almost always hypercritical no matter who is claiming this or that.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

So? That had nothing to do with Sony, they just released games that were developed by those studios.

 

[lastmessiah]

Sony didn’t develop MGS or Final Fantasy any more than MS did Starfield.

 

[Diddy X]

Playstation sales will be replaced by PC or Xbox, not all but a big part. PS owners will want to play this game, it's gonna be huge.

 

[Zok310]

At this point, even if it does come to PS later, PS gamers on principle alone prolly wont even buy it on PS.

 

[Saber]

Pretty sure they never gonna see this number on Xbox, thanks to GP. So I'm guessing it's up to Steam to reach that number.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

The difference being, Sony - just like Nintendo - built their status and fan base due to decades of creating good, memorable franchises by using their own studios, not outright buying companies aka "talent".
Some if the greatest franchises in gaming history were born on their platforms (MGS, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Castlevania, MegaMan etc etc), I mean, if you don't get or respect that then you're also a raging hypocrite.

MS are like the rich kids at school where they pay the "nerd kid" to have their homework/essays done, they have all the money in the world but they have absolutely zero in-house talent, that's why they haven't had any good, memorable exclusives in the past...20+ fucking years (OG Xbox).
You could argue that once upon a time they had Halo, Gears, the Ninja gaidens, JSRF, the Otogis and the Dead or Alives (if you're old enough to remember that) but nowadays...yeah, no one gives 2 fucks about Halo nor Gears anymore, they're basically a Forza company now.

It's gotten to the point where basically, their motto is "if you can't beat them, buy 'em outright", there's a difference between having or nurturing talent and buying it.

If you fault Sony and Nintendo for doing what MS has done all along, you're being a raging hypocrite.

What the heck does any of that rant have to do with anything? All that matters is us players getting good games.

 

[Topher]

I just see a bunch of salty fanboys being mad that Xbox console exclusives are not on PlayStation, and it seems like a double standard to me, regardless of what these figure heads say, which is almost always hypercritical no matter who is claiming this or that.

Where? I looked at every post before yours and see no one saying anything about "being mad that Xbox console exclusives are not on PlayStation". Did I miss those posts?

 

[RoboFu]

All I see is…

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Where? I looked at every post before yours and see no one saying anything about "being mad that Xbox console exclusives are not on PlayStation". Did I miss those posts?

You're smart enough to read between the lines and understand the meaning of the salty posts. Plenty of others see it as well, and it deserves to be called out as such.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

What the heck does any of that rant have to do with anything? All that matters is us players getting good games.

"us players"

I mean, the joke writes itself.

Keep fighting the good fight friend.

Cheers

PS: I said it before and I'll say it again, The persecution complex many in here display is just something else...
Sony bad ! Nintendo bad ! Only MS good ! I mean, shit boys

Also, shout-out to our resident astroturfer O Ozriel which only (and almost magically) shows up in these kind of threads for the usual PR rescue.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

The difference being, Sony - just like Nintendo - built their status and fan base due to decades of creating good, memorable franchises by using their own studios, not outright buying companies aka "talent".
Some if the greatest franchises in gaming history were born on their platforms (MGS, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Castlevania, MegaMan etc etc), I mean, if you don't get or respect that then you're also a raging hypocrite.

MS are like the rich kids at school where they pay the "nerd kid" to have their homework/essays done, they have all the money in the world but they have absolutely zero in-house talent, that's why they haven't had any good, memorable exclusives in the past...20+ fucking years (OG Xbox).
You could argue that once upon a time they had Halo, Gears, the Ninja gaidens, JSRF, the Otogis and the Dead or Alives (if you're old enough to remember that) but nowadays...yeah, no one gives 2 fucks about Halo nor Gears anymore, they're basically a Forza company now.

It's gotten to the point where basically, their motto is "if you can't beat them, buy 'em outright", there's a difference between having or nurturing talent and buying it.

If you fault Sony and Nintendo for doing what MS has done all along, you're being a raging hypocrite.

Not only that, I would be 100% OK with MS buying up Bethesda/Activision IF I had any faith in MS ability to properly leverage the franchises they now own and get the most out of these studios. If acquiring Bethesda meant we could get a new Fallout or Doom game every couple of years I would legit have been the biggest fanboy. S

Sony manages to get the best out of the studios they acquire. No other acquisition in recent memory has paid dividends like Insomniac did for Sony. When I see studios like Rare, I see MS running them into the ground. How has their not been several Perfect Dark games by now? The answer is simple: MS does not know how to properly manage their studios. Projects get cancelled or end up in development hell. Its infuriating. Fable is another example and they had to use their best studio, Playground, which has NO experience developing this type of game to try and get something out....

MS needs to get on the phone and hire people like Jack Tretton, Shawn Laydon and bring back Rodd Fergusson. Get people who know how to leverage the talent they have.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

"us players"

I mean, the joke writes itself.

Keep fighting the good fight friend.

Cheers

I'll keep fighting the fair and equal fight bruh.

 

[C2brixx]

PlayStation loses a lot less in excluding Xbox than Xbox does in excluding PlayStation.

I'm not faulting anyone for exclusives, but I don't see Sony or Nintendo executives championing gamers being able to play anywhere they want either. Pointing out how Phil Spencer is different in that regard and yet his actions are exactly the same is not hypocrisy.

Open a new browser tab and knock yourself out.

Xbox Cloud Gaming (Beta) on Xbox.com

Play Xbox Cloud Gaming (Beta) on Xbox.com. Use your Xbox Game Pass Ultimate membership to play 100s of consoles games on PC and supported mobile devices.

www.xbox.com

 

[systemr123]

The only thing Im excited about with this game is to see what sales numbers will be, because 99% of people will be playing via RentPass.

Even with that percentage being hyperbole I bet it'll still end up being Bethesdas lowest selling game. Renting it for a month doesnt count as a sale, kids.

Microsoft on release week: "3 million downloads via GamePass"

"Well what about sales numbers?"

What about sales numbers?

Yep marketing will completely focus on nonsense numbers where it’ll say 3 million players or something like that which doesn’t say anything. Only that 3 million people with gamepass downloaded it and booted it up minimum once.

Kotick is right where he says putting games on Gamepass makes no financial sense, but MS just does it for the marketing. MS has so much money that the word lost all meaning to them and they just do stupid shit like this to destroy the whole gaming market.

After doing that they can declare victory because they still have unlimited supplies of money and you as a consumer don’t have any choice but to consume their crap product since there are no alternatives left.

 

[Aenima]

Which Sony studio has ever displayed the ability to pack as many varying systems together in one game as Bethesda has?

Sony has shown themselves to be master's of a certain type of game, that is literally at the opposite end of the spectrum from Starfield and games of that ilk.

Media Molecule with Dreams. You can create music, 3d sculpture, and all kinds of games.

 

[ProtoByte]

They dont need PS5 audience for this game. Everyone will buy this on PC anyway.

Skyrim, Witcher 3, Diablo, Starfield and Cyberpunk are basically PC franchises that tend to sell well on consoles. If they dont release on consoles, people will just buy PCs or Xbox. Elden Ring/souls games have turned into PC franchises too. I believe half of the sales came on PC.

MS will make up at least 50% of those 10 million lost sales on xbox and PC. The few people who wont upgrade to PC or buy an xbox were likely never going to buy this at full price anyway.

If you're going to stretch to that conclusion and have people buy it, there should be zero debate about the sales viability or lost opportunity of any JRPG skipping Xbox and/or PC. Certainly when the series/studio/publisher has never/barely been on those platforms, and have not sold anywhere near the proportion PlayStation has sold for Bethesda games in the last 2 gens.

 

[Ozriel]

The difference being, Sony - just like Nintendo - built their status and fan base due to decades of creating good, memorable franchises by using their own studios (or having good relationships with 3rd party ones), not outright buying companies aka "talent".
Some of the greatest franchises in gaming history were born on their platforms (MGS, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Castlevania, MegaMan etc etc), I mean, if you don't get or respect that then you're also a raging hypocrite.

MS are like the rich kids at school where they pay the "nerd kid" to have their homework/essays done, they have all the money in the world but they have absolutely zero in-house talent, that's why they haven't had any good, memorable exclusives in the past...20+ fucking years (OG Xbox).
You could argue that once upon a time they had Halo, Gears, the Ninja gaidens, JSRF, the Otogis and the Dead or Alives (if you're old enough to remember that) but nowadays...yeah, no one gives 2 fucks about Halo nor Gears anymore, they're basically a Forza company now.

It's gotten to the point where basically, their motto is "if you can't beat them, buy 'em outright", there's a difference between having or nurturing talent and buying it.

If you fault Sony and Nintendo for doing what MS has done all along, you're being a raging hypocrite.

…what has any of this got to do with the topic at hand?

Starfield is now a Microsoft first party title. They’ll lose out on a significant amount of retail sales by not releasing it on other consoles, but that’s also true for any other ‘big’ AAA game in Sony and Nintendo’s portfolios.

PlayStation loses a lot less in excluding Xbox than Xbox does in excluding PlayStation.

I'm not faulting anyone for exclusives, but I don't see Sony or Nintendo executives championing gamers being able to play anywhere they want either. Pointing out how Phil Spencer is different in that regard and yet his actions are exactly the same is not hypocrisy.

Hopefully people can get over that eventually and stop trotting that out as justification for endless shitposts. Especially when much of that ire is based off willfully poor comprehension of a quote meant to address accessibility in gaming.

 

[kazuyamishima]

I guess the milestone will change to “number of players” instead of units sold.

 

[jroc74]

At this point, even if it does come to PS later, PS gamers on principle alone prolly wont even buy it on PS.

Rise of the Tomb Raider had decent sales when it finally came to PS4. Not great sales but still.

 

[Topher]

You're smart enough to read between the lines and understand the meaning of the salty posts. Plenty of others see it as well, and it deserves to be called out as such.

I'm smart enough to read what is actually said and not insert console warrior arguments when I see fit.

Open a new browser tab and knock yourself out.

Xbox Cloud Gaming (Beta) on Xbox.com

Play Xbox Cloud Gaming (Beta) on Xbox.com. Use your Xbox Game Pass Ultimate membership to play 100s of consoles games on PC and supported mobile devices.

www.xbox.com

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

I'm smart enough to read what is actually said and not insert console warrior arguments when I see fit.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about this.

 

[Topher]

Hopefully people can get over that eventually and stop trotting that out as justification for endless shitposts. Especially when much of that ire is based off willfully poor comprehension of a quote meant to address accessibility in gaming.

Phil Spencer would do well to do a lot less talking about this stuff. I'd rather he say he is doing this for Xbox gamers and leave it at that. There is nothing wrong with him championing his own brand.

 

[baphomet]

I mean, if their goal is to sell the least amount possible then they're right on course.

 

[gothmog]

It's business, but pretending that you're doing this for the greater good is an asshole move.

 

[Kamina]

Imagine if it ends up selling less than that on Xbox.

But gamepass money

 

[Ozriel]

"us players"

I mean, the joke writes itself.

Keep fighting the good fight friend.

Cheers

PS: I said it before and I'll say it again, The persecution complex many in here display is just something else...
Sony bad ! Nintendo bad ! Only MS good ! I mean, shit boys

Also, shout-out to our resident astroturfer O Ozriel which only (and almost magically) shows up in these kind of threads for the usual PR rescue.

The irony of you blabbing about ‘astroturfing’ after the first post you made in this thread

 

[Ozriel]

Phil Spencer would do well to do a lot less talking about this stuff. I'd rather he say he is doing this for Xbox gamers and leave it at that. There is nothing wrong with him championing his own brand.

…which is pretty much what he does by championing xCloud, which (theoretically) expands the reach of Xbox games.

 

[NickFire]

Can’t stand that they compensated for their shortcomings by taking away a game of this size from PS users. Punishing others because of their own crappy choices is not a good way to make new friends. But the decision to forgo huge sales to make platform more enticing does not, by itself, bother me. It’s been that way since NES for all the companies. They want to sell their consoles and eco-system after all.

 

[Warablo]

Playstation only gamers can find other means to play the game or not.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

The irony of you blabbing about ‘astroturfing’ after the first post you made in this thread

The real irony is that you were absolutely nowhere to be seen in the other MS thread where people actually provided the proverbial receipts about MS shills/astroturfing and "general tactics", I suppose the thread hit way too close to home for you.

Listen, I'm being serious here, I've already mentioned that you're incredibly transparent in your ways many times before, people already know where and when you're going to show up and what you're going to say/do, if that doesn't tell you anything I don't know what will.
Maybe try to lurk instead of doing the usual.song and dance/PR defence force 'cause it's gotten almost comedic, you're almost at Senjutsu Sage levels lately.

Of all the fanatic people in this forum, you should be the last at throwing digs.

90% of your post history is basically defending a multi-trillion company.

 

[Topher]

…which is pretty much what he does by championing xCloud, which (theoretically) expands the reach of Xbox games.

Nah.....I'm talking about when he says stuff about what is "good for the industry" and his actions are what is "good for Xbox".

 

[93xfan]

Gonna be an unmissable game. Good job on choosing the correct acquisitions MS. Should help Xbox compete much better

 

[K2D]

Starfield is on the back burner. Not (only) because of Xbox exclusivity but rather because of a) unproven IP, b) lackluster reception last 10 years and c) competition from certain other AAA western rpgs.

 

[FrankWza]

MS finally understands the importance of exclusives. If you fault MS for doing what Sony and Nintendo have done all along, you're being a raging hypocrite.

CoD is going to be on PS5-6-7 though.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I have three scenarios:

1. Starfield falls outside of the top three (in NPD numbers), but the number of new GP subscribers grows substantially
(the expected outcome)

2.Starfield is in the top three, and GP subscribers has an amazing growth as well.
(the best outcome).

3.Starfield falls outside of the top three, and the growth of GP subscribers is not as significant
(a less desirable outcome press the panic button)

 

[Holammer]

Personally I have zero interest in the game, but if it's a polished gem earning 10's across the board? I expect a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. 10 Million unsold copies worth of it.
On the other hand, if it's a buggy mess that reviews poorly, there's gonna be a Samba parade and mods will have to close new threads every minute.

Either way I'm going to enjoy the popcorn and play some pixel art roguelike/metroidvania.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

CoD is going to be on PS5-6-7 though.

Thanks for posting this, but so what? MLB The Show will likely be on the next Xbox and Switch consoles too. Some games deserve to be multiplatform, and some console exclusive.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Nah.....I'm talking about when he says stuff about what is "good for the industry" and his actions are what is "good for Xbox".

Game Pass's success went right to Phil's head, and yeah he says a bunch of stupid shit from time to time, but then so does Jim. They should both stfu sometimes, but where's the fun in that?

 

[Crayon]

Stop saying "all they care about is your money" as if it's true of every corporation. MS will shovel money into a fire because they want something else.