Captain Toad
Banned
$70 games is not a PS5 thing. It's a next-gen thing. Games are $70 on Xbox too. Not everything goes to GamePass (or stays on GamePass for long).
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ZywyPL
Banned
60$ was already a mistake to begin with, the only titles that could get away with it was MW2, which is in fact THE game that introduced that price tag, and GTA5. Now 10 years later, unless you live in a contry where the currency is $/€, the games cost twice as much, with half the content, at best... I look at stuff like how much do I tank my car monthly, which gets me to job every single day, shopping, traveling every weekend, long vacation trips, I look how much do I spend on food and partying, on clothes, on my cats who eat premium food, better than what I eat myself even etc. and then I look at a price of a single video game and sorry, I simply don't see any value in those forgettable SP-only 8-12h games or MP titles with just a few maps I'll be bored with after a week or two. And no, slapping a 70€ to an AA/indie title doesn't make it an AAA blockbuster production either. 20/30/40$ is what most games should cost IMO, depending on length and content.
IDappa
Member
I think you can be a lover of both. I myself for the price of 2 games can get access to 300 plus for the year with a lot of those being new day one releases. Which is awesome value and you'd be stupid not to think so. I will also add this does not stop me from purchasing games I enjoy or want to keep. I have found a few games I most likely wouldn't of even touched and purchased or plan to purchase them because of gamepass.
However I still buy Sony exclusive either day dot or depending how hyped I am for them at a discounted price a few weeks later. Honestly works for me and I could see this being a way other people would probably enjoy their games.
However I still buy Sony exclusive either day dot or depending how hyped I am for them at a discounted price a few weeks later. Honestly works for me and I could see this being a way other people would probably enjoy their games.
Fess
Member
How many games have you bought this far for PS5?
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Its all just used for the warriors anyhow.
I play the big exclusives on my PS5 as well and then for the most part everything else I play via Gamepass.
Honestly game like Ratchet are great for the 20 hours or but I will put 10X those hours in Forza over the next year or two.
Love my PS5 but also love Gamepass.
IDappa
Member
I have yet to see something I'm playing or am planning to play leave in a timespan that you cannot get to it in time. So I do call a bit of bullshit on your for long remark, however I may just be lucky? Who knows.
They are usually on gamepass for 6-12 months and in a few cases longer. I mean if you can't get around to it in that time frame you probably weren't interested in said games anyway.
the experience as i wrote is the same PS5+tv vs Xbox+tv ...and the game is the same..... there's no cinema vs Netflix the only difference is the price
lucius
Member
If Gamepass was so great you wouldn’t have to keep talking it up all the time like it was the shit, it would stand on its own merits wouldn’t need all these people trying to sell it. I really think some people talking GP up all the time are full of it look how many the ones got caught that were promoting it weren’t even playing the GP games much on their games lists.
I was planning to buy A Plague Tale Requiem, Back 4 Blood and Hades at release. On PS5, that would be around 140$?...
And I'm not talking about a fact, that in that same subscription I have Forza Horizon 5, Halo Infinite, Psychonauts 2 and plenty other games.
So yeah. It's literally nobrainer.
And I'm not talking about a fact, that in that same subscription I have Forza Horizon 5, Halo Infinite, Psychonauts 2 and plenty other games.
So yeah. It's literally nobrainer.
mejin
Member
The math of a well paid article. Let's consider MS will never raise the price of gamepass and sony first party games don't have any prestige worldwide.
Azurro
Banned
Every Xbox fan is waiting for that disruption to happen and yet all the sales are heavily on PS5, plus all the big exclusives, while Gamepass gets a bunch of old games, C/B grade games for it for this year and most of the next.
I don't see things changing any time soon, Xbox fans should be getting a comfortable chair imo.
I don't see things changing any time soon, Xbox fans should be getting a comfortable chair imo.
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sainraja
Member
The author of the article is making a lot of assumptions.
Using his own example, would someone be interested in all 24 of those first party games on both systems for this price comparison to really matter? Will they actually be purchasing (and be interested in) all 12 first party games on the PS5? Using first party games in his example is also a little flawed because no matter what someone does, if they want to play the 12 first party games that are on the PS5, they are going to need a PS5. Getting Game Pass isn't going to give them that.
I think the level of investment each person has into the gaming ecosystem is also going to matter. Game Pass is a great value/option for those of us heavily invested into gaming but not for someone who only plays when they have the time and only games they are interested in - for them, regardless of which box they call their home, paying a one-time $70 price will be better than paying for a subscription that they won't be able to invest the time into, to fully enjoy.
It's not as plain and simple as people like to make it.
Using his own example, would someone be interested in all 24 of those first party games on both systems for this price comparison to really matter? Will they actually be purchasing (and be interested in) all 12 first party games on the PS5? Using first party games in his example is also a little flawed because no matter what someone does, if they want to play the 12 first party games that are on the PS5, they are going to need a PS5. Getting Game Pass isn't going to give them that.
I think the level of investment each person has into the gaming ecosystem is also going to matter. Game Pass is a great value/option for those of us heavily invested into gaming but not for someone who only plays when they have the time and only games they are interested in - for them, regardless of which box they call their home, paying a one-time $70 price will be better than paying for a subscription that they won't be able to invest the time into, to fully enjoy.
It's not as plain and simple as people like to make it.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
I think stalker is only PC and Xbox...
It's still a little weird to me that people were outraged at not being about to share a game they own and having to be online but are 100% on board for a rental service where they don't fully control the selection, don't own the titles, can't share games and you have to have internet access. I guess Don Mattrick and Xbox one really was ahead of it's time.
Amiga
Member
Drunkensamurai
Member
Quality vs Quantity.
The same argument could be about Sony fans talking about Gamepass, they could be playing games instead of being on this forum.
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killatopak
Gold Member
I’m strictly physical so I don’t really care either way.
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
This seems like a flaw in the system to me. On Netflix I don't get asked to pay 10-20 dollars to watch season 2 of a show.
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Beelzebubs
Member
You're going in with the assumption that Microsoft aren't going to dramatically hike up the prices as they keep investing in more and more studios. I love the idea of game pass but realistically there's only a few titles on there that I actually want to and have time to play.
Outrunner
Member
I already own 10 physical games for PS5 and it's been only 8 months
It'll definitely increase in price.
Those MTX riddled games, I'll take Sony games.
skit_data
Member
Yes, of course but it doesn’t work in the same way (bigger first party games arrive later, and only one at a time) and Sony would be wise to relaunch it under a new name because it’s too heavily associated with streaming.
It’s not bad, per se but I’d like to see a service with a higher subscription fee than PS Now and a lower fee than Gamepass with a focus on 1st party titles and critcally acclaimed 3rd party titles. It doesn’t need the ”day and date”-policy from Gamepass.
I think PS+ Collection is a pretty good test sample. Really good 1st party games and really good 3rd party titles, no shovelware. Only I’d like to have one that updates regularly. It could be what Sony is aiming for in the long term, and the PS+ Collection is some kind of prototype.
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twilo99
Gold Member
That's because people don't know any better... yet.
The Pleasure
Gold Member
Did
The Math Behind Xbox Game Pass Versus $70 Sony Games Will Snowball Quickly
If you were drinking every time you saw a game was coming “day one to Game Pass” at the Xbox Show yesterday, you would have been under the table by the end.www.forbes.com
MS seem to have officially made 3rd party releases day one on Gamepass a thing. I have a Series X and a PS4 so I’m covered for Gamepass plus any foreseeable Sony exclusives. However I don’t imagine having to pay 70 bucks in a world where GP exists.
longdi
get banned or make an alt?
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
And apple sheep's don't mind paying way more for iPhone than the other brands.
Just like Apple, Sony know they can get away with nearly everything.
I wouldn't brag about being happy to pay more for games.
JLB
Banned
Sure, warrior.
Mr Moose
Member
Some people like to own their games. Shocking, I know.
It's not Netflix, its amazon prime video. Think the first 6 seasons of Veep was on prime video and you could only buy the last one.
It's a shitty situation though but consumer choice is there so I am not too fussed.
No, people are happy to pay for quality.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
but when Xbox starts building a must-have roster of exclusive as well, are PS5 games worth more than double what you’re paying when you just get everything with Game Pass?
Yes, yes they are
Yes, yes they are
ShinraMiddleMananger
Banned
How much can it really go up though? Are people gonna pay $35 a month or more? Once you get into $40 and higher it's not really worth it. $15 is already too much imo.
twilo99
Gold Member
They are games, not tangible goods.
Quality in the entertainment business is extremely subjective, and taking this perspective, there is plenty of quality on GP.
Excess
Member
ethomaz
Banned
3 games.
That is my actual backlog for around two months without play.
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kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
ethomaz
Banned
I do prefer iOS over Android and I should indeed pay more for that closed system.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Game pass no doubt has value to some gamers, but I don't view it the same as many others do, especially Xbox fans.
Lets say The Last of Us Fractions released Day 1 on PlayStation Now. Some people are going to tell me it's better just to get it through PlayStation Now, but what going to happen 2 years from now?
I played the original TLOU Multiplayer for years and this means I'm going to have to need an active subscription just to play the title whenever I want. That's really my only problem. There are some minor flaws to not owning the actual game. Third Party titles don't often stay on the service for long. If it leaves a few months later and I want to play it again, then I'm either going to have to buy the copy new or used.
I'm not saying Game Pass or having games released on PS Now Day One would be bad, but there times where I prefer to own the game.
Lets say The Last of Us Fractions released Day 1 on PlayStation Now. Some people are going to tell me it's better just to get it through PlayStation Now, but what going to happen 2 years from now?
I played the original TLOU Multiplayer for years and this means I'm going to have to need an active subscription just to play the title whenever I want. That's really my only problem. There are some minor flaws to not owning the actual game. Third Party titles don't often stay on the service for long. If it leaves a few months later and I want to play it again, then I'm either going to have to buy the copy new or used.
I'm not saying Game Pass or having games released on PS Now Day One would be bad, but there times where I prefer to own the game.
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Microsoft has been dragging everyone in that direction for almost 20 years now with the introduction of the first successful gaming subscription service, Xbox live. They straight up said they would make it free if no one paid, but people did pay and here we are creeping closer to the place Microsoft wants us to be. GaaS.
Sony already has this same service with PS now and of course they also have PS+. Nintendo now has an online service as well. With the way MS is corralling their users into the game pass service you can expect the market to go where the guaranteed dollars are.
This whole stick about consumer evangelising products and services is normal and happens everywhere, to call it out in one case is a bit weird.
You can still buy the games that are on GamePass, gamepass is ps+ turned up to 11 with first party day one launches.
Bryank75
Banned
Nintendo? Who Sony bullied out of the dedicated home console market?
Why would Sony get out of consoles when they are about to have the entire market to themselves? That would be a beyond stupid decision....
PS IP's are aimed at an older demographic mostly and an audience looking for a higher challenge in games like Demons Souls, Returnal etc.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
This isn't the reality of the situation though. So far, there have been 0 "Game Pass Exclusives". Anything that comes out on Game Pass, you can still outright purchase.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Gamepass is an amazing deal. $10 to play TLOU2 for a month is a steal. But I am not sure if its going to be sustainable for Sony. You need to fill up the rest of the 12 months with stuff and that means paying third party devs A LOT of money. Like in the tens of millions, and maybe hundreds of millions if you are going after AAA games like Battlefield, AC and Red Dead on day one. Can Sony afford it? Maybe. Maybe not but if their games continue to sell at $70 (ridiculous price tag imo) then they wont feel the need to change the status quo.
I think games like Ratchet, Returnal and demon souls are going to be a big test for this new price tag, and if they all underperform then Sony will have no choice but to release their own gamepass. Shouldve never raised the prices to $70. there is no walking that back.
I think games like Ratchet, Returnal and demon souls are going to be a big test for this new price tag, and if they all underperform then Sony will have no choice but to release their own gamepass. Shouldve never raised the prices to $70. there is no walking that back.