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MOTM
Banned
Nintendo are a different beast to Sony & MS who are a lot more in direct competition. I see Sony shifting their strategy alas maybe a few years too late once gaming becomes like the music & movie industry —> subscription dominated.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nah if you look at that npd chart that listed the best selling titles in the 12 months, all four big Sony exclusives were in the top 10. It was from April 2020 to March 2021 and Tlou2, Ghost, Miles and FF7 were all in the top ten. Ff7 isn't a Sony title but it was an AAA exclusive that sold really well at full price.
MastaKiiLA
Member
I'm becoming more convinced that GP subscribers keep proclaiming the great value of the service, and claiming that Sony has to match it, because there aren't enough interesting games to keep them occupied, and they want to play Sony games. You know, Netflix subscribers don't have to keep preaching about how much value there is in the service. It kinda speaks for itself. If GP becomes a game-changer, it will make itself known.
Was there this much bleating about PS+ when it started? I have no idea if gamers are generally this insecure or not.
Was there this much bleating about PS+ when it started? I have no idea if gamers are generally this insecure or not.
JLB
Banned
Theres some ridiculous things going on with videogame prices. Where I live, Sony's MLB The Show 2021 is included at no additional charge in Microsoft's Gamepass. Also, on the Playstation store, this Sony developed game is nearly ten times more expensive than the same game on the Microsoft store.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why would you say this with literally NO evidence? Plus, why would someone say MS has every 3rd party game on GamePass, knowing that it's a lie?
I don't know for which user it could be good news to know you are on a platform where a game costs 70 euros and your friends play the same game (plus 300 more games) for 10 euros
JLB
Banned
sure warrior.
MOTM
Banned
I have a PS4 so I’m already playing Sony games. However I don’t play the same couple of Sony exclusives all year long. Surely you don’t either ?
95% of the library of games on Xbox and PS are shared, which makes GP extremely interesting.
ethomaz
Banned
I'm not sure what are arguing here... did you stop to go on Cinema after they created Netflix? I not.... I keep playing very high prices in movies on Cinema and I don't have Netflix at all (I had for one year but I basically didn't use it so I stopped to sign it).
Two different models cater to different audiences.
Sony games at $70 are selling better than ever... there is no issue with the model.
And don't see people migrating just because you have a subscriptions model that is cheaper to play some games.
And I don't wish or hope Sony going to the sub model too... I want games with high production value that the quality is worth to pay any price for it.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
They have one. It's called PS+. And to add.........what happens if Microsoft decides to pull the purse from buying so many games and putting them on GP in 4 years? People act as if Sony just created PlayStation 2 years ago.
I just don't know enough people in the real world who play more than 6 games a year on average. For me personally having Gamepass would be more expensive than the way I game on a Sony platform. On PlayStation I buy certain games day 1 where in proper hyped for (Street Fighter V and Monster Hunter). Then I pick up other games on sale for under £15 as well as having games on Plus to play. One of the years I remember I played Monster Hunter for a year straight and no other game I would prefer to just buy it instead of getting it on Gamepass.
I'm at a point in life where it's not even about the cost it's more about my time.
I'm at a point in life where it's not even about the cost it's more about my time.
.Pennywise
Banned
If people are happy paying 70 dollars games on PS5 just let them be happy and buy the games they want at such price ffs.
Game Pass subscribers will still keep being happy at the value they get from it, regardless of what Sony does with the price of its games.
Game Pass subscribers will still keep being happy at the value they get from it, regardless of what Sony does with the price of its games.
FatKingBallman
Banned
Pretty much
MOTM
Banned
Fair enough.
I must point out though most people don’t care about ownership. The same people who own consoles are also subbed to Spotify, Netflix and so on. They used to buy DVD’s and CD’s, now look.
Joshmyersbv
Member
Can they remove games from gamepass? I don't see gamepass staying this price for very long. The more games they add the more likely they raise the price.
Clearly people are still fine buying games, Sony first party games are still charting high when they release. R&C is no1 in the uk charts and thats a pretty short game.
If MS starts getting bigger 3rd party games I can see Sony doing something. Nothing on gamepass has made me feel like I'm missing out yet though.
If MS starts getting bigger 3rd party games I can see Sony doing something. Nothing on gamepass has made me feel like I'm missing out yet though.
etho your comparatin is wrong Netflix doesn't have the same cinema movies .....if u had your cinema movie with 10 times less money which would you choose? the most expensive or the least?
Here we are talking about the same games at different prices that offer the same experience .... on console + tv
Only because of people who are loyal to the brand does PS5 sell pretty well, right now. But you see the problem here is; Playstation games only last 3 days, and you're done with it. Microsoft IP on Gamepass adds content, so you get more out your buck, more this catches on the better.
FatKingBallman
Banned
Let us see what Paul Tassi will say when the price for GPU sometimes goes up.
sublimit
Banned
Yeah but personally i don't have any interest subscribing to any of those as well. Actually my only subscription is PS+ and i would have dropped that as well if online play was free.
ResilientBanana
Member
Why not both? Own the games you like, rent the games you want to try and make a decision on whether or not you want to buy. Typically if you're a Gamepass member, the games on the service have a slight discount if you decide to buy them..
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ethomaz
Banned
What that doesn't even means?
vaibhavpisal
Member
MS just had a conference. Number and variety of games is best MS has ever made.
It really depends if company can bear huge start up cost for such a service.
TKOFromTokyo
Member
Personally, I like owning my games, music, movies, etc. I’m not into renting.
ethomaz
Banned
If I have on day one a movie releasing on Cinema and Netflix... I will go on Cinema even if it is way expensive.
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Bonfires Down
Member
Game Pass is cool but I'm just gonna keep buying games at <$20 instead.
ResilientBanana
Member
Good thing the choice is there.
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
Aren't you renting everything in life anyway? #deepthoughts
FatKingBallman
Banned
So paying more for sub and game ownership??
MastaKiiLA
Member
If you think I'm a console warrior, then you don't know my post history. This isn't even a knock on any console, but the very clear uptick of "...is such a great value" taking points. Like I said, you don't see this with Netflix, and I don't remember anyone actively marketing that service like this. I don't even think this happened with Gamefly. You enjoy the service, or you don't. You don't need to shout it from the mountain top.
That's cool. I'm not knocking anyone for liking it. I'm wondering why we're getting flooded with GP marketing in tons of next-gen threads. It's unusual behavior, when the service should be able to sell itself if when it's a great value.
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systemr123
Banned
Exactly. Also, it seems that all those people forget that most 3rd party titles coming to gamepass are either indie or old. There’s almost no big 3rd party titles coming to gamepass day 1. Besides that, you people forget that ms does not only add to the library. They remove a lot of games too.
ResilientBanana
Member
Not really. Sure, you pay for the subscription, but you get to play more games that you normally wouldn't. Again it's all your choice. You don't have to subscribe to buy games, but at that point, you're leaving it up to the reviewers and forums to really tell you what you like.
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lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
IMO:
All Sony need to do, is improve the current PSnow, combined it with PS Plus.
Dont have to be better than Gamepass, dont have to be the same quality as Gamepass.
As long its better than the current PSnow, they can go for subscription/Physical/digital hybrid modal.
All Sony need to do, is improve the current PSnow, combined it with PS Plus.
Dont have to be better than Gamepass, dont have to be the same quality as Gamepass.
As long its better than the current PSnow, they can go for subscription/Physical/digital hybrid modal.
ethomaz
Banned
Gamepass beneficiaste games that have low day one sales.
Games already successful with day one sales in millions should be a hell of expensive to put day one on Gamepass because most 3rd-parties won't want to lose these day one revenue.
I can see some big 3rd-party titles reaching gamepass day one but it will be rare... some deals MS will do to push subscriptions but it will be very very rare because even MS can't throw thousands and thousands of millions dollars to put big AAA releases on Gamepass everybody month.
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TKOFromTokyo
Member
For now at least. How many movies and tv shows can I only stream because of services? I know there are some for sure.
I have GP as I bought a Series X, but I wouldn’t have bought it if MS had enough new content for me to own, rather than rent. It’s just my preference.
Actually, yes, in a sense you’re right.
kyoji
Member
yea... what am i missing here? it seems GP is lacking 3rd party support at least from the bigger games, i saw alot of smaller titles which is expected for a sub service but nothing jumped out from a big publisher or well known game other than stalker if you want to count that. I think that kind of support isnt out of the realm but it will be few far and in between as i cant imagine any established ip that is somewhat successful wanting to be put on a sub service unless you are planning to money hat by the mega bucks - something like outriders is around the scope/situation i would expect. Can someone post a list of the 3rd party games announced?
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FatKingBallman
Banned
For some reason Paul Tassi ignores GPU. Probably it is hard to him to multiply it with 15. :/
Well, paying few months of GPU sub, later buy a game. Yeah, it cost more in the end.
sublimit
Banned
Cool if you want (to pay for) both.
But personally i don't care about renting games. The games i really want i always buy them (on day 1 or close to launch) and the games i'm not too sure about i get them on deals. In any case i want to own my games and not having someone else deciding what games i play and for how long i will be able to play them.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Bold is 100% on point. Why do the OP and\or the author always forgetting that many people rent their games, borrow their games, or buy their games used? Who spends $70 on every game purchase in the real world?
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Just the same as if you digitally owned the game. You can buy expansion passes or micro transaction consumables, and use them in game.
The only difference is - if the game leaves Game Pass, you lose access to the DLC you bought until you buy the game.
skit_data
Member
If it indeed is a better way to make the money, Sony will probably shift to a similar type of service.
I have nothing against it personally, so far Gamepass seem to offer good value for the money even if I would prefer a model that costs slightly less in exchange for only offering really, really good games.
I have nothing against it personally, so far Gamepass seem to offer good value for the money even if I would prefer a model that costs slightly less in exchange for only offering really, really good games.
Great Hair
Banned
Is the "auteur" of this article just trying to please Phil Spencer? If $70 was too much, none of the Sony PS5 games would have sold at all.
Edit: Since the other thread got deleted
Edit: Since the other thread got deleted
- A Plague Tale Requiem $70
- Hades $70
- Back 4 Blood $70
- Horizon 5 $70
- Halo Infinite is F2P
- Psychonauts 2 $70
- subtotal $350 (lets assume they´re all from the same publisher, for easiness)
- Microsoft platform fee 30% per title, 30% of $350 = $105 for Microsoft
- $245 for the publisher who has to pay distribution and retail (another 20%?) leaving the publisher with $196
- $196 vs $15 for 1x month Game pass per 1 new sub
- Ratio 13:1, buying games will yield in a higher profit for the companies
- In short: Microsoft would be making way more money by selling retail, digital copies at full price than thru game pass (if not mistaken, they mentioned not being profitable as of now with 18mln subs).
- a) Microsoft does have to pay publishers** to have their games on the catalogue, indies are prolly cheap, others not so much
- Sony does not pay** the publisher to publish games on PS5
- **(except Tom Braider and others)
- b) Microsoft does not have to pay for distribution, retail shelf retail space etc. but they do have to pay for every download, bandwidth, electricity, hardware such as hard drives, servers, employ people to maintain the service etc.
- c) retailer get shafted by Microsoft, as no one will buy xbox games thru them any more ... we have been thru this already years ago.
- d) publishers make no money via gamepass, a fraction of what they would be getting per buyer versus a first initial payment and then like on Spotify
- "downloads&play session per title", the higher, the better for them
- Steam has like 50,000 games, but 90% of them are garbage
- Netflix has like 20,000 films, shows, half of them are Adamn Sandals movies
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FatKingBallman
Banned
It already has PS Now. Actually, since 2015.