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[Deleted member 752119]

Game pass is for people who just like to play the latest games and move on.

If you are into collecting and replaying games a lot, then it's not for you.

Yep. Saves me the hassle of buying physical and selling when I'm done. And if I beat it in a month it's less out of pocket cost too as I'm always out more than $10 after the game loses value and Amazon seller fees.

 

[logicslayer]

What's really gonna bake your noodle is that you don't own physical games either. Sure they can't stop you from using the game (technically they can in some instances), but they are working towards correcting that little issue by moving to digital. THIS SOFTWARE IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD

 

[ABrokenToy]

IN OTHER NEWS, THE SKY IS BLUE AND THE SUN IS NOT A PLANET.

 

[Starfield]

I want to know if Microsoft are fine with consumers who like me only buy for 1month to play a game like Forza Horizon or something else rather than purchasing the game for 60€

 

[Deleted member 752119]

I want to know if Microsoft are fine with consumers who like me only buy for 1month to play a game like Forza Horizon or something else rather than purchasing the game for 60€

Of course. They know people will do that and a lot will probably be people who wound t have bought the game otherwise. This they got $10 from them rather than $0. That's their hope anyway.

Think of it lien gym memberships or Netflix. They make their profits from the people that pay and rarely come work out or only stream a few hours a month, not the heavy users.

 

[mckmas8808]

I use it more for demoing a game that doesn't have a demo which is common these days to see if I want to buy it.

This is how GamePass should be viewed.

 

[LittleBusters]

Game Pass is not really for people like me. I like to identify a few games I really really like and buy them.

 

[PhilipDoesMatter]

What's the point of ownership if you pay $120/year to play hundreds of games? Not to mention the E3 deal.

 

[SquillieDee]

I think this is common knowledge at this point, its the same as most subscription services.

 

[FranXico]

It's a subscription service, so... ok?...

 

[Nikana]

IN OTHER NEWS, THE SKY IS BLUE AND THE SUN IS NOT A PLANET.

Bullshit!
The sky isn't blue. It just looks blue due to reflection's off water!

 

[Huevos de Oro]

I don't think physical purchases grant ownership of the game either. It's all licenses.

 

[LittleBusters]

The sky is Azure.

 

[LittleBusters]

I don't think physical purchases grant ownership of the game either. It's all licenses.

The only real game ownership are older generations of PC games and cartridges that don't even have the concept of DRM. F.e., anything that runs using DOSBox, old gaming consoles.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Streaming and subscriptions are 50+ years away from being great.

 

[Mochilador]

I did not know this. That's awesome if so.

You can only keep the Xbox 360/OG Xbox games. They are yours even if you are no longer a gold member.
"Regular" Xbox One games are just "rents", so you have to subscribe to gold again to get access to them.

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Why there's so many posted same exact wording articles on here mirrors reseteras...hmmm

 

[LittleBusters]

Streaming and subscriptions are 50+ years away from being great.

2045 - Make Streaming Great Again

 

[nikolino840]

If you can boot anytime you want, you own it. Just like you own a record if you can play it in your stereo.

We are not (nor were we ever) discussing intellectual property rights, just ownership of the copy. This is a dead horse argument.

Is illegal break the protection of a disk .. but this Is OT

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Why there's so many posted same exact wording articles on here mirrors reseteras...hmmm

Nothing wrong with it. Some people post both places (with different names sometimes) and there was a thread a while back that suggested just stealing threads from there to generate more traffic and posting in the gaming side here that garnered support. I'm good with it as we need more traffic here and these copied threads tend to generate posts.

 

[Kagey K]

Why there's so many posted same exact wording articles on here mirrors reseteras...hmmm

Usually it's because they are both posting the same article and using the title of the the article as the title of the thread.

Or perhaps there's something more sinister at play.

 

[Huevos de Oro]

Why there's so many posted same exact wording articles on here mirrors reseteras...hmmm

There are probably bizzarro users over there. There's a dude named "New York's Worst" right now saying: Why there's so many posted same exact wording articles on here mirrors neogaf...hmmm

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Nothing wrong with it. Some people post both places (with different names sometimes) and there was a thread a while back that suggested just stealing threads from there to generate more traffic and posting in the gaming side here that garnered support. I'm good with it as we need more traffic here and these copied threads tend to generate posts.

Usually it's because they are both posting the same article and using the title of the the article as the title of the thread

Or perhaps there's something more sinister at play.

There are probably bizzarro users over there. There's a dude named "New York's Worst" right now saying: Why there's so many posted same exact wording articles on here mirrors neogaf...hmmm

Ohh cool, was just curious to know, dudes on the down low hustle $$ I respect that.

 

[DanielsM]

Is illegal break the protection of a disk .. but this Is OT

If you own a disk or digital copy to me you have reasonable ability to break the protections of the discs. Most of this has never really been litigated in the States, generally speaking, you can do basically what you want as long as you are NOT distributing other people's work. So, nobody is going to throw you in jail in the U.S. if you take a CD and convert into Mp3s for your own personal use.

 

[nikolino840]

If you own a disk or digital copy to me you have reasonable ability to break the protections of the discs. Most of this has never really been litigated in the States, generally speaking, you can do basically what you want as long as you are NOT distributing other people's work. So, nobody is going to throw you in jail in the U.S. if you take a CD and convert into Mp3s for your own personal use.

Source? Becouse there Is disclaimers and warning everywhere of what you can't do
Of course they don't put you in jail but dosen't mean Is legal

I have some phisical PC games maybe i can see if there Is some "read me" file about policy and use so i can copy-past

 

[Dlacy13g]

Don't forget everyone, Netflix is great but you don't actually own the movies/shows.....

 

[DanielsM]

Source? Becouse there Is disclaimers and warning everywhere of what you can't do
Of course they don't put you in jail but dosen't mean Is legal

I have some phisical PC games maybe i can see if there Is some "read me" file about policy and use so i can copy-past

What do you mean source? I don't have a source that says you can breath air either. A statement on a package is not an agreement, you have to have a "meeting of minds", I could put on a package that your first born belongs to me... that doesn't make it so.

Most of this is covered under fair use, what would someone sue me for and what would be the damages?

 

[BusierDonkey]

Gamepass is my rental service. It lets me try games I wouldn't have otherwise. I never considered ReCore for example, then for $1 I had a chance to give it a shot and ended up really enjoying the game, same thing for Super Lucky's Tale, We Happy Few, etc. I don't own the games, but I'm fine with that as any games I know I'll be going back to I will still be buying.

Gamepass is also helping me circumvent the EGS exclusives. When Outer Worlds releases I can play it on my PC through gamepass and if the modding community embraces the game like I'm hoping, after the 1 year exclusive deal is up I'll buy it on Steam just as the modding is kicking in and after all the major bugs have been fixed.

Is illegal break the protection of a disk .. but this Is OT

Source? Becouse there Is disclaimers and warning everywhere of what you can't do
Of course they don't put you in jail but dosen't mean Is legal

I have some phisical PC games maybe i can see if there Is some "read me" file about policy and use so i can copy-past

Fair use is a beautiful thing.

In the US you can alter anything you want to make a product you paid for continue to work. It's all included in fair use. If a game is currently on sale and being supported, you legally aren't allowed to distribute files that would circumvent their launcher without violating terms of use. It isn't illegal to alter the files on your own copy of the software though, that would only be a violation of terms. Violating terms of use isn't illegal, it only breaks the rules within that closed community and they are free to eject you from it which is what usually happens if you get caught. If you then decide to open your own server or distribute a modified version of the game while the game is being supported by the developer, legalities might ensue usually involving a C&D. Pressing your luck from there would just be stupid.

Link to court hearing involving altering a game's code to re-enable abandoned software. As things stand in the US, if a game has been discontinued or abandoned you are within your rights to alter it in a way that allows the game to continue to function. Whether this involves simply circumventing a launcher or creating a new server network to keep a multiplayer element going it is allowed, at least in the US. You are also allowed to distribute this alteration to others so that others may keep the game working. Profiting from distributing this altered software would not be covered under fair use and would be illegal however.

Federal rulings outweigh anything written on a box or manual by the manufacturer. Making copies of albums even for personal use is illegal according to every CD case I ever bought and the RIAA, but under fair use laws I am perfectly within my rights to do so as long as I am not distributing the copies. If the RIAA were to take me to court over it, it would be thrown out unless they could prove I was distributing the files.

Technically I'm not supposed to bypass Bethesda's launcher when I run a modded gamebryo engine game, but Bethesda updates break a lot of mods so I do it anyways. I doubt anyone would call that illegal. I bought the game, and I am legally allowed to do as I please with my property. As long as I don't try to sell the modified version of the game Bethesda doesn't care either. In fact many devs like Bethesda and Valve are completely open to modding with the devellopers/publisher's blessing.

 

[nikolino840]

Gamepass is my rental service. It lets me try games I wouldn't have otherwise. I never considered ReCore for example, then for $1 I had a chance to give it a shot and ended up really enjoying the game, same thing for Super Lucky's Tale, We Happy Few, etc. I don't own the games, but I'm fine with that as any games I know I'll be going back to I will still be buying.

Gamepass is also helping me circumvent the EGS exclusives. When Outer Worlds releases I can play it on my PC through gamepass and if the modding community embraces the game like I'm hoping, after the 1 year exclusive deal is up I'll buy it on Steam just as the modding is kicking in and after all the major bugs have been fixed.





Fair use is a beautiful thing.

In the US you can alter anything you want to make a product you paid for continue to work. It's all included in fair use. If a game is currently on sale and being supported, you legally aren't allowed to distribute files that would circumvent their launcher without violating terms of use. It isn't illegal to alter the files on your own copy of the software though, that would only be a violation of terms. Violating terms of use isn't illegal, it only breaks the rules within that closed community and they are free to eject you from it which is what usually happens if you get caught. If you then decide to open your own server or distribute a modified version of the game while the game is being supported by the developer, legalities might ensue usually involving a C&D. Pressing your luck from there would just be stupid.

Link to court hearing involving altering a game's code to re-enable abandoned software. As things stand in the US, if a game has been discontinued or abandoned you are within your rights to alter it in a way that allows the game to continue to function. Whether this involves simply circumventing a launcher or creating a new server network to keep a multiplayer element going it is allowed, at least in the US. You are also allowed to distribute this alteration to others so that others may keep the game working. Profiting from distributing this altered software would not be covered under fair use and would be illegal however.

Federal rulings outweigh anything written on a box or manual by the manufacturer. Making copies of albums even for personal use is illegal according to every CD case I ever bought and the RIAA, but under fair use laws I am perfectly within my rights to do so as long as I am not distributing the copies. If the RIAA were to take me to court over it, it would be thrown out unless they could prove I was distributing the files.

Technically I'm not supposed to bypass Bethesda's launcher when I run a modded gamebryo engine game, but Bethesda updates break a lot of mods so I do it anyways. I doubt anyone would call that illegal. I bought the game, and I am legally allowed to do as I please with my property. As long as I don't try to sell the modified version of the game Bethesda doesn't care either. In fact many devs like Bethesda and Valve are completely open to modding with the devellopers/publisher's blessing.

Ah.. the Fair use thing ok...

 

[Mr.Bond]

Xbox Live games given every month are consider purchases meaning when your subscription runs out you can still play the games, PS+ games are linked to your subscription, so when your subscription runs out the ability to play the game runs out, as far as I know.

That is only true for Xbox 360 games, Xbox one games become unplayable once your gold services expires.

 

[Kagey K]

Somebody should write an article about how when you stream music on Spotify, you don't really own the Album.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Netflix is the same thing.

When was the last time you heard someone complain about Netflix for $10/month because you don't own any of the movies? Even worse, you can't even download most of them. So you got to live with a straight stream most of the time.

I've heard people say it's not worth it due to certain movies it doesn't carry, or they don't use it enough to justify paying a monthly fee. But I have never heard one person say the service sucks because I don't own the content.

 

[DanielsM]

That is only true for Xbox 360 games, Xbox one games become unplayable once your gold services expires.

(Yeah, I only have a Xbox 360) My apology on that.

 

[Godzilla Emu]

As someone who only buys physical copies of games: My cheap Gamepass subscription sold me on physical copies of both Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Metro Exodus (both of which, I had zero intent of buying originally).

With Gamepass, Microsoft have successfully monetised game demos in a pro-consumer fashion. Hats off to them. And those younger gamers who are time-rich, can indulge in those games for cheap before mere mortal men like me (who have to work everyday) can fully experience them. This works for everyone and has the potential to build franchises in a very competitive and constricted market.

 

[DanielsM]

As someone who only buys physical copies of games: My cheap Gamepass subscription sold me on physical copies of both Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Metro Exodus (both of which, I had zero intent of buying originally).

With Gamepass, Microsoft have successfully monetised game demos in a pro-consumer fashion. Hats off to them. And those younger gamers who are time-rich, can indulge in those games for cheap before mere mortal men like me (who have to work everyday) can fully experience them. This works for everyone and has the potential to build franchises in a very competitive and constricted market.

"successfully"

That's like saying me getting a free month of Netflix means Netflix is a "success". I would say Netflix is successful at something and its not movie streaming, its selling stock. If Game Pass was "successful", I doubt they would have had to resort to giving it away.... let's put this in the .... we'll see category.

Microsoft is going to have to spend billions and billions, and there is no guarantee of "success", imo. This is going to be a long hard road, which is why they have the $1 thing going on.

The good thing for gamers is, if Microsoft does what they usually do - run, nothing is lost as its just a rental model i.e. Groove Music (Xbox Music).

 

[Bernkastel]

Are others doing the same thing. Microsoft failed to support Games for Windows Live and failed to improve and compete in the PC digital market place, eventually those users/dev/publishers lost out not only in games but having to rework those games to work without GFWL. So, what do they do next... instead of fixing GFWL they shut it down and start a few new store for no fucking reason. What is the state of the Microsoft Store, shit.

Games for Windows Live
Microsoft Store v1.0 Purchasing model
Microsoft Store v2.0 Subscription model

I actually see nothing wrong with some of the rental subscription models but it would sure be nice if Microsoft actually supported the products they have already sold instead basically mothballing them, that would be a great start. Also, some of their decisions make very little sense, meaning they don't even support their own OSs i.e. Windows 7, 8, or 8.1. As far as junk software, they're the kind, for curiosity sake I tried to install their broke Xbox app on two Win10 computers, guess what? I can't install them. Rinse and repeat with bad software and no testing.

The other thing that's annoying is how everyone says how great it is and Microsoft must be doing well with it, but it doesn't address that Microsoft had to give the service away for a buck. Eventually the prices will have to go up and its about trying to extract more not less, but in the meantime enjoy it now like Netflix.... the problem is Netflix is going to have to go up drastically in prices, eventually.

The way these subscriptions will work is eventually users will be paying more not less as the big publishers will start pulling their products and making their own subscription.... until then though enjoy.

So, you are saying that you won't be able to buy from Microsoft Store, even though Phil said that Xbox will always support physical media. Or are you saying that you are lord the prophet.
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No, instead I will believe on Lord the Prophets future template (perfectly written future to appease him).

 

[Nero_PR]

This is the kind of article that attacks our intelligence.

 

[Nikana]

So, you are saying that you won't be able to buy from Microsoft Store, even though Phil said that Xbox will always support physical media. Or are you saying that you are lord the prophet.
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No, instead I will believe on Lord the Prophets future template (perfectly written future to appease him).

Gonna guess Daniels? Why are they allowed to still post mods?

 

[DanielsM]

So, you are saying that you won't be able to buy from Microsoft Store, even though Phil said that Xbox will always support physical media. Or are you saying that you are lord the prophet.
You claim that Microsoft will kill UWP and its store even though they are doing the reverse. They are separating shell elements from Windows and adding them to their store, making Windows modular.

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No, instead I will believe on Lord the Prophets future template (perfectly written future to appease him).

UWP was never alive to be dead just like everyone try to tell the Microsoft zombies 4 years ago on this forum, a huge waste of everyone's time.

I never said you wouldn't be able to buy from the Microsoft store, but they refuse to fix it... just like they refused to fix Games for Windows Live - that's a fact Jack. Why didn't they just fix Game for Windows Live client and the store then? Why release yet another broken piece of shit and than stack on UWP on top of it? I really don't even feel sorry for the people anymore, you guys actually deserve to get screwed. Nobody really cares about Windows except for Win32, so that is why all these other things continue to fail i.e. Windows RT, Windows S, Windows S mode.... in bound soon that nobody cares about Windows Lite. They are turning the MS Store into a give away rental program as they couldn't compete i.e. Steam, Origin, etc - I would say that is pretty factual at this point or at least something I am not going to waste my time arguing.

Hard for me to feel sorry for people that keep going down the same path. (Rinse and repeat, if that is your cup of tea don't let me stop you) For the record, I see nothing wrong with GP, I mean if MS abandons it like they typically do... nobody at least loses anything.

 

[Xenon]

This is really looking at things like the glass is 1/32 empty.

 

[Bernkastel]

Nobody really cares about Windows except for Win32, so that is why all these other things continue to fail i.e. Windows RT, Windows S, Windows S mode.... in bound soon that nobody cares about Windows Lite. They are turning the MS Store into a give away rental program as they couldn't compete i.e. Steam, Origin, etc - I would say that is pretty factual at this point or at least something I am not going to waste my time arguing.

Windows store was initially Windows Phone Store for desktop which became UWP, it became a games store after Windows 10. Dont know what Games for Windows Live has to do with it. This is not an Internet Explorer -> Microsoft Edge situation.

 

[DanielsM]

Windows store was initially Windows Phone Store for desktop which became UWP, it became a games store after Windows 10. Dont know what Games for Windows Live has to do with it. This is not an Internet Explorer -> Microsoft Edge situation.

They don't want to compete, so now they are trying to change the rules so they can avoid competition. Games for Windows Live has everything to do with it, all they are doing is focusing their efforts on yet another service and disregard their prior commitments. (Rinse and repeat) I really don't feel sorry anyone that gets locked into any of their stores, good luck. At least with GP its not a complete loss as its just a rental service, like when they shutdown Groove Music (Xbox Music).

 

[Bernkastel]

They don't want to compete, so now they are trying to change the rules so they can avoid competition. Games for Windows Live has everything to do with it, all they are doing is focusing their efforts on yet another service and disregard their prior commitments. (Rinse and repeat) I really don't feel sorry anyone that gets locked into any of their stores, good luck. At least with GP its not a complete loss as its just a rental service, like when they shutdown Groove Music (Xbox Music).

Once again, how are Games for Windows Live and UWP store related ? Did you want them to sell Windows Phone apps through Games for Windows Live ?
Not replying to your reworded template again.

 

[Godzilla Emu]

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[Codes 208]

No shit? I dont exactly own movies on netflix either...

 

[cryptoadam]

I am so over owning games. I never have the urge to go back and play some game I bought years ago.

Even before when I was buying more games, I would end up trading them in at Gamestop to get credit for my next purchase.

Back in the day I used to buy DVD's out the ass. 2 for 1 sales at HMV or Futureshop was my kryptonite.

I have like 150 DVD's sitting in a DVD tray that I never go back to or watch. Wasted money and now space on these things and honestly I just want to get rid of em.

 

[Hendrick's]

Don't forget you don't own any games anymore.

 

[DanielsM]

Once again, how are Games for Windows Live and UWP store related ? Did you want them to sell Windows Phone apps through Games for Windows Live ?
Not replying to your reworded template again.

Again, they don't want to compete i.e. they will ditch the tech, services or product as they simply can't or won't compete i.e. make digital storefront that works.

Did you want them to sell Windows Phone apps through Games for Windows Live ?

Absolutely they could have, there was no reason to start another store.... now they refuse to fix the broken store that was put in place to replace the prior broken store..... than they release one broken app to replace the prior broken apps (rinse and repeat its been like this for basically 10+ years at Microsoft on the consumer side of the house). Its actually possible to put UWP applications on any platform you want. A digital store isn't limited to a particular framework, that's simply a human decision.

Now Uncle Nadella is using his famous, "we have to change the rules", by basically releasing new broken apps to replace the prior broken apps.... and letting the Store just flop like a fish out of water. I don't feel sorry for any of the people buying that UWP crap off the Store - I actually hope MS shafts them worse than the GFWL users.

At least with Game Pass, shit doesn't work.... well people can unsubscribe and call it a day i.e. Groove Music.

 

[dlbeast]

I like gamepass. Allows me to play games, even when i might not want to spend that 60.

 

[VAL0R]

I want to rent my PC desktop, internet, games, music, movies, and all digital entertainment from the cloud. If Halo Infinite isn't available for my grandkids in 20 years, I could care less. Come at me bro.