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[Dr.Morris79]

Simply absurd, I can't believe people in here are attempting to defend this. Random price hikes are exactly why we should all be wary of services like GamePass. Microsoft wants everyone completely dependant upon GamePass and the Xbox store for all game purchases. Once you invest in that library it is incredibly difficult to walk away. This is why platform holders such as Microsoft are slowly but surely attempting to phase out physical media. When physical dies then we consumers no longer have control. No more selling, trading or loaning. No more pre-owned cheap games. Just complete dependence.

Gaming is quickly becoming the most anti-consumer space in all of entertainment . A literal micro-transaction riddled, locked-down hellscape where consumers don't have any actual ownership of the products they pay for. Is this really the future anyone wants?

This is exactly where I was in regards to Steam. I was utterly livid shouting in the wind back then when I knew they'd tear physical PC games apart. Utterly gutted. I pirated the shit out of Half Life 2, I was disgusted! I aways bought physical for ownership and they crossed the line!

It didn't matter to me if we'd have to find patches, have multiple discs, actually have to do things to play, they were our 'physical' games!

Now I have to eat shit sandwiches just to play PC games, I just thank god that Steam became the best service to do it on ironically, I even bought Half Life 2 in the end

But I agree, MS does want this on consoles but they really don't have the Steam ethics to go with it, at all.

It'll be a hellscape.

 

[Mephisto40]

My original post to you was because you brought up Sony as the more cost effective alternative even though buying the game + lowest tier for online play costs almost exactly the same. You were the one that brought up Sony initially.

Just felt the need to call out the blatant fanboyism and you've done a really poor job at defending yourself lol.

Fanboyism?

I'm not the one getting mad because somebody on an internet forum said one subscription service is better value to them than another

As somebody that owns both consoles this gen, all this news is doing is telling me I may as well cancel gamepass, sell my xbox, and buy COD straight up on my PlayStation instead, it would cost me less money to do that in the long run

 

[Kenneth Haight]

 

[Dr.Morris79]

My Gamepass Ultimate subscription ends this month, after a 2 year run.
I will most certainly not be renewing it.

What did it for you in the end winjer ?

 

[NeonDelta]

Wait, so there will be some third party games that will be ultimate only as well?

 

[Kenneth Haight]

The optics on this are terrible, makes it more confusing and splits the userbase up in to "classes"

The whole beauty of gamepass (if there is any) is that you pay a fee the same as everyone else and get access to the same material.

Not surprising and any sane person could see this coming a mile off. Good luck with this venture but I think I just like to buy games and keep them forever.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Fanboyism?

I'm not the one getting mad because somebody on an internet forum said one subscription service is better value to them than another

As somebody that owns both consoles this gen, all this news is doing is telling me I may as well cancel gamepass, sell my xbox, and buy COD straight up on my PlayStation instead, it would cost me less money to do that in the long run

Not mad at all. Saw you made a silly typical fanboy post and figured I'd see how you'd react to being called out.

If all you wanted to play was COD online it costs a little more on PS5 than on Xbox. I just don't get how you think it's a travesty when MS raises their sub price when Sony did it last year. It's ok to admit they both dropped in value with these price increases.

 

[winjer]

What did it for you in the end winjer ?

The main reason is that it was rare to find games that I actually wanted to play.
It got so bad, that in the last 3-4 months, I played nothing in there. And a couple of weeks ago, I just removed the Xbox app and went back to a Windows local account.
The only advantage was that my nephew liked to play Forza 5 and Lego Star Wars. But I can just buy those on Steam for cheap.
With Gamepass Ultimate going up to 20€ a month, I rather just buy games on Steam.

Another important reason is that the Xbox app on PC is unbelievably bad. For several times, I had technical problems that prevented me from playing games and that required hours long to troubleshoot and fix.
Then there is the issues with UWP. This causes several problems. It reduces performance of games, sometimes by a noticeable difference. It can cause more stuters and issues with frame pacing. And prevents mods and tweaks, that sometimes are important to fix games.

 

[FewRope]

Yo S SneakersSO can you show up to share some knowledge?

 

[Klosshufvud]

They're backpedaling hard on GP in general. I will always find it funny how MS to this day still locks console online behind a paywall. The absolute idiocy to insist on this while you're dead last in the console race with diminishing sales in every region. I guess they're just cutting their losses at this rate and have no desire to be competitive in the console space anymore.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Wait, so there will be some third party games that will be ultimate only as well?

So EA Play and Day One titles are included in the cheaper Game Pass PC option, but on console you're paying more for this new 'Standard' Game Pass and yet EA Play & Day One games are not included? Dude... They're shitting on us console users.

 

[Banjo64]

Wait, so there will be some third party games that will be ultimate only as well?

I thought this clown was hanging up his nose when Xbox went third party?

 

[Dr.Morris79]

The main reason is that it was rare to find games that I actually wanted to play.
It got so bad, that in the last 3-4 months, I played nothing in there. And a couple of weeks ago, I just removed the Xbox app and went back to a Windows local account.
The only advantage was that my nephew liked to play Forza 5 and Lego Star Wars. But I can just buy those on Steam for cheap.
With Gamepass Ultimate going up to 20€ a month, I rather just buy games on Steam.

Exactly what I found and literally keeping it for someone else to play. I've done the same too, I bought them the games on Steam

Another important reason is that the Xbox app on PC is unbelievably bad. For several times, I had technical problems that prevented me from playing games and that required hours long to troubleshoot and fix.
Then there is the issues with UWP. This causes several problems. It reduces performance of games, sometimes by a noticeable difference. It can cause more stuters and issues with frame pacing. And prevents mods and tweaks, that sometimes are important to fix games.

I actually never touched it, I'd heard it was bad though. My lad does though, It's how he was playing Flight sim. I wonder if this is the reason why when he calls me up to watch him on occasion it looks a quite ropey with the frames..

Either way, he'll be using the Steam version whether he likes it or not. Unless he wants to pay for the sub (Never going to happen)

 

[damidu]

i know there are not many left, but how don't xbox console owners revolt at this 5th class citizen treatment shit. lol

 

[GymWolf]

PC gamepass gets to keep the "day 1" games and STILL be cheaper than the new console GP which loses "day 1"??

Spoiler

on the other hand, gamepass pc\xbox app are absolute dogshit

 

[Varteras]

I thought this clown was hanging up his nose when Xbox went third party?

Remember when he took that pic with Sarah Bond? That was the closest he had ever been to a woman. Not even his own mother ever hugged that walking disappointment. So he probably figures this is the only way he might get to smell her again.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

 

[[Sigma]]

Xbox console users are looking more and more like second class citizens on the xbox platform.

 

[Little Mac]

Before I comment ... MS is charging xbox users $20 for something PC gamers are getting for $12? Am I getting that right?

 

[jm89]

Wait, so there will be some third party games that will be ultimate only as well?

"Quick and dirty"

Probably got sent the memo and had it ready.

 

[zapper]

did the exact opposite happen or did I misunderstand?
(this guy is one of the best things ever seen in gaming for a laugh)

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

RIP Xbox

 

[FewRope]

Wait, so there will be some third party games that will be ultimate only as well?

This was sent to him from PR department 100%

 

[Astray]

I thought this clown was hanging up his nose when Xbox went third party?

Everyone knew he'd be back shilling any way lol.

 

[DenchDeckard]

They're backpedaling hard on GP in general. I will always find it funny how MS to this day still locks console online behind a paywall. The absolute idiocy to insist on this while you're dead last in the console race with diminishing sales in every region. I guess they're just cutting their losses at this rate and have no desire to be competitive in the console space anymore.

This was absolutely my point when people went hard on gamepass. I have always said, I personally enjoy it very much and if it turns shit or doesnt work that it will simply go away and we will go back to buying games. So, I'm going to enjoy the shit out of it until it buggers off / or becomes too expensive to warrant me subbing.

I'll probably end up cancelling both Gamepass and PS plus extra once my current subs (around 2 years on both) end.

PC gaming is the only good place for solid gaming services IMO, free games etc.

 

[Varteras]

Before I comment ... MS is charging xbox users $20 for something PC gamers are getting for $12? Am I getting that right?

It's actually been the case for a while now that PC users were getting the benefits at a cheaper cost. The excuse was the increased cost to console owners was for their ability to play online. Which is fucking wild to be okay with being told you have to pay more to play the same game, on the same service, because you bought their console.

 

[DenchDeckard]

So, just to confirm. You can still do the 3 year trick before September?

 

[Rippa]

Oof!

I guarantee they’ll come up with an ad based tier.

Imagine, playing Dark Souls and right before entering a boss fog, GamePass cuts to an Ad. Forcing you to wait.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Hehehehehehehe......

 

[Schmick]

Before I comment ... MS is charging xbox users $20 for something PC gamers are getting for $12? Am I getting that right?

No, thats not the case.

20 for Ultimate
12 for PC
15 for Standard (Console)

At least now, Gamepass (Console) includes online play now.

 

[John Marston]

probably the almighty god John Marston

It could be

It wasn't me this time

 

[Bernoulli]

This is their last attempt to get more money before unplugging game pass

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

So I can cancel my sub, purchase the day 1 titles that I actually play, buy some other games on steam sales etc and still save money? Thanks for making me check the actual yearly cost, Microsoft.

 

[clarky]

LOL at nearly £300 a year for ultimate?

They need to up their first party game to keep me subbed at that price point. Because not wasting money on Forza and HB2 is not what i would call value.

 

[Tajaz2426]

So EA Play and Day One titles are included in the cheaper Game Pass PC option, but on console you're paying more for this new 'Standard' Game Pass and yet EA Play & Day One games are not included? Dude... They're shitting on us console users.

They are not shitting on you, they are attempting to get every cent they can recover before they move to 3rd party and PC.

Some will keep spending their money and bend over and give them as much as they can before they close game pass on console all together

Happens all the time.when I was ordering my electric half gas half wrangler, my friend ended up ordering a full electric Fisker knowing they were not selling and were having financial issues just one year in. They told him he would be fine and now bankruptcy. There are no shops that have picked up the licenses for diagnostic codes, no extra parts made, no panels if an accident, and no third party companies ever started making parts for it. Anyway his SUV is now a 90 thousand dollar paperweight as there are issues with the motor and no one can even tell him what’s wrong with it. It’s the only reason I went with my Jeep because I knew if they stopped making the PHEV Jeep wrangler I could still get parts from Mopar and two other 3rd party companies.

Long story short, they knew they were going bankrupt and sold as many as they could to recover as much as they could while screwing someone out of 100k pretty much.

These businesses do not care for you people, they only want what you work hard for. Don’t waste your money on a company like this.

 

[Badlucktroll]

i wish these stupid companies wouldn’t take shit away then increase prices, when they should be doing the opposite and adding value to keep us coming back

 

[balls of snow]

Their day 1 third party AAA deals also dried up which was the main reason I sign up since the beginning of the gen. Getting to play Lies of P and Plague Tale Requiem day 1 was the real value of the service.
Now, stuff like Dead Island 2 and Remnant 2 took months and months before coming to gamepass. Which at that point, both games has had their first sale and might as well just buy it outright if I wanna play them.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

 

[Humdinger]

So the standard form of Game Pass no longer includes Day 1 releases. That's interesting. Didn't expect that.

 

[GHG]

There's great irony in this.

They lied to get the deal over the line with the regulators who actually stood up to them and did their job.

But in doing so they've dug their own grave as far as the Xbox console platform is concerned.

 

[FireFly]

As somebody that owns both consoles this gen, all this news is doing is telling me I may as well cancel gamepass, sell my xbox, and buy COD straight up on my PlayStation instead, it would cost me less money to do that in the long run

Selling your Xbox alone would cover the cost of COD. The same would apply to to selling your PlayStation. But if you're paying for PS+ Essential, you're effectively paying the same as you would for Core and the yearly cost to convert Core to Ultimate should be ~$40 with the new prices. That's less than the cost of buying COD at launch.

 

[Astray]

There's great irony in this.

They lied to get the deal over the line with the regulators who actually stood up to them and did their job.

But in doing so they've dug their own grave as far as the Xbox console platform is concerned.

It's great irony imo that the FTC/CMA were the Xbox console owners' last line of defense, one that they didn't even know about.

 

[Sanepar]

Xbox console users are looking more and more like second class citizens on the xbox platform.

Well they accepted Xbox One era, so they accept anything, since Xbox realized that they don't care.

 

[kazuyamishima]

I remember back in 2020 when MS acquired Bethesda a lot of folks were saying that PS was doomed, how things have turned huh.
But a lot people on different forums including Install Base are still saying that Sony and MS strategies are the same.

 

[PropellerEar]

You mean aside from the multiple times he posted that subscription growth had flattened?

Here is a nice thread for you :

MAT PISCATELLA (NPD): Still No Sign GamePass Cannibalizes Game Sales​

Business - Analysis - Sales-Age - MAT PISCATELLA (NPD): Still No Sign GamePass Cannibalizes Game Sales

Someone brings up Gears 5; Mat's response: Considering MS 1P games like Forza have continued to do well in spite of GamePass and that MLB The Show was #2 best-selling game on Xbox platforms for April (not counting digital sales, so in actuality it may've been #1 best-selling game there as...

www.neogaf.com

 

[GHG]

They didn't fuck it, this was always the plan and we all knew it.

The "best value in gaming" has always been an illusion.

Nah this was their plan (I know it's a bit long, but read the whole post for the full picture):

|OT| - Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Anyone who isn't delusional enough to believe gamepass is currently a profitable venture is a fanboy. You've seen the revenue figures of 2021, right? Unless you want to add all of XGS to the cost I can't see how it's not making a profit.

www.neogaf.com

Hence the "spend Sony out of business" and the hopes of acquiring Nintendo (they hoped all this would put them in a compromising position to the point where their market value drops substantially and they become vulnerable to shareholder manipulation).

But here we are just a couple of years later and what actually happened was both Sony and Nintendo sat back and left them to it when it comes to the most financially irresponsible elements (day one first party titles and encouraging your customers to only subscribe and no longer purchase games) of this business model.

 

[laynelane]

I still remember people saying Nintendo and Sony needed to adapt or get left behind (regarding sub services like Game Pass). It must be a critical situation if even the talking heads on Twitter are finally being honest about the 'best deal in gaming'.

 

[Fess]

If the plan is to move console-only gamers over to PC then they’re doing a great job. Why pay a higher subscription fee on console when you get more for a lower fee on PC where you also have all the other benefits from having a PC?

 

[simpatico]

Sounds like I need to add some side work to my son’s chores. Gamepass Ultimate is part of his compensation. What’s worth $4? Hmmm…

I still think his use case is the ultimate GamePass use case(teenager). Service would have been absolutely ace when I was a teenager. For me as an adult, I’ve subbed for months on and off. Been a while, but I guess they could get me back. If you’re on a really tight entertainment budget I think it could make a lot of sense. When my kids were really young money was beyond tight and it would have been nice.

 

[Bojanglez]

This is exactly where I was in regards to Steam. I was utterly livid shouting in the wind back then when I knew they'd tear physical PC games apart. Utterly gutted. I pirated the shit out of Half Life 2, I was disgusted! I aways bought physical for ownership and they crossed the line!

It didn't matter to me if we'd have to find patches, have multiple discs, actually have to do things to play, they were our 'physical' games!

Now I have to eat shit sandwiches just to play PC games, I just thank god that Steam became the best service to do it on ironically, I even bought Half Life 2 in the end

But I agree, MS does want this on consoles but they really don't have the Steam ethics to go with it, at all.

It'll be a hellscape.

Wait until they buy Steam