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"Xbox Game Pass Standard" is launching in September
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
PropellerEar
Member
Did they just run out of those
Accountability Margins™
Accountability Margins™
xrnzaaas
Member
Two problems with that - some MS games aren't getting physical releases (for instance Hellblade 2 is digital-only) and there's no guarantee that the game will be on disc. I remember buying Arkane collection a while back and 2 out of 4 games were redeem codes. I wasn't planning on reselling it, but it still pissed me off.
The market for used copies is also much smaller than PS & Nintendo's, because many people have simply stopped buying Xbox games.
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Killjoy-NL
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Little Chicken
Banned
Who cares what two fat people think.
For the consumer, us, it's still the greatest deal around.
7 years and people still bitter about its existence
Roufianos
Member
I guess big games will have physical for the time being but the latter point is definitely true. I started out the gen using Series X for 3rd parties but re-selling wasn't nearly as easy as PS5.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
There are very few and between streaming services that are not losing money outright. Making at least some money in the process? Only Netflix after a whole series of constant price-hiking and sunsetting of some options. Hell, even Spotify is far from being financially stable. And Netflix and Spotify are way older and widespread than XGP.
Haint
Member
No idea why "Standard" even exists, ain't nobody going to pay that much for a truncated delayed library. Just keep Core for online play only people, and Ultimate for everything.
PC Gamepass sub numbers must be under the toilet for them to still be offering that deal in light of hiking everything else to the moon.
PC Gamepass sub numbers must be under the toilet for them to still be offering that deal in light of hiking everything else to the moon.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
That kind of shows how dangerous the model is and I only shudder at the thought of what end game these companies have in mind once they feel safe to monetise it and recoup all the costs they had to face when “growing”.
How people cheer them up and think that there is something to gain in the short term taking advantage of the “first hit is free-ish” that is part of the “growth” phase for such services is almost incomprehensible… it is an irresponsible ultimately fatalist mentality :/.
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Bernardougf
Member
Yes! And we are missing more shills apologists.. so glad you could join inConspiracy theorists are out in force I seeI do love a laugh in the morning.
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AyraSutoraifu
Member
I'm lost and confused.
What's even the point of GamePass anymore ? Can one of the XSheep explain this to me ?
Who cares what two fat people think.
For the consumer, us, it's still the greatest deal around.
7 years and people still bitter about its existence
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Colt knew.
Astray
Member
They're not coming out physically anymore tho.
Where's the physical release for Hellblade 2? Indiana Jones and Avowed haven't been announced for physical releases either.
Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Every subscription service gets taken away unless you pay the new price. Sony just did the same thing last year.
Sounds like you're describing "grandfathering" which is strictly better than just forcing you to pay the new price the next time you're charged which is pretty common these days.
Then don't support it. Seems silly to suggest people go to Sony who aren't any better when it comes to their online service. PC would be a more fitting suggestion since you get the best of all worlds and free online.
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Dr.Morris79
Member
Utterly done with all this bullshit personally. Dropped all of these shitty 'subs' last month and went strictly PC.
Better running games, free 'cloud saves', a million better games and cheaper games in the long run. Have you played Red Dead 2 on PC over the Series X? Fucking night and day
You're just paying for fuck all. Even the PS5 pisses me off chronic that Sony holds your save game hostage with their shitty sub, that's just fucking evil
Blurgh, sick of the lot of em.
When Stellar Blade and Demons Souls make PC I'll die happy. As for the Xbox? All games on PC now so what's the damn point.
Not to mention MS and Sony seem to have signed contracts with the DEI wankers left and right, not a fan at all
I'll just dev mode my remaining Series consoles for emulation machines.
Better running games, free 'cloud saves', a million better games and cheaper games in the long run. Have you played Red Dead 2 on PC over the Series X? Fucking night and day
You're just paying for fuck all. Even the PS5 pisses me off chronic that Sony holds your save game hostage with their shitty sub, that's just fucking evil
Blurgh, sick of the lot of em.
When Stellar Blade and Demons Souls make PC I'll die happy. As for the Xbox? All games on PC now so what's the damn point.
Not to mention MS and Sony seem to have signed contracts with the DEI wankers left and right, not a fan at all
I'll just dev mode my remaining Series consoles for emulation machines.
Negotiator101
Member
Anyone in particular?
Online hackers and mouse players against controller ones suck on pc. And no sleep mode updates or quick resume blows too.
PropellerEar
Member
Colt knew.
eerik9000
Member
Well well, just a few years ago Mat himself loudly proclaimed that Game Pass does not cannibalize game sales, but rather increases them, while Philbo Spencer assured that the Game Pass model is very sustainable. Now what do you mean it has "been true for a while". Are you saying that the earlier statements were not honest?!
Dr.Morris79
Member
If those things bothered me to begin with it would be a problem, and it might have done twenty years ago if I was still neck deep in multiplayer
But to me there hasn't been a better multiplayer game than BF1942 and it's mods so I'm good on that front. I'm that old and I find most multiplayer games shite these days. The ones I would play (Homeworld 2 etc) are not even on consoles
Never used quick resume, never really needed to and updates are such a non problem on most PC games to me.
I'm just sick of subs. Everything's a damn 'sub' these days! And I'm not gonna take it anymore!!
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Game Pass cheerleading was ‘cool’ among analysts until reality (predicted by less cool Jimbo and Layden) settled in. Part of the reason to avoid any analytics from guys like Mat or Ahmad. They are usually good with numbers post factum.
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Mephisto40
Member
It's more the idea of gamepass was offered to people as "The best deal in gaming"
It's now more expensive than it's competitors, and arguably offers less of a service, with worse games
Also, the fact that they came out with yesterday "Stream your gamepass games on an amazon firestick!", literally a day later telling everyone you need to pay $20 a month for the privilege, it's actually laughable
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Warzone isn’t the only COD MP. Pretty sure a very large portion of those buying this year’s Black Ops game are interested in the MP mode. For those, it’s never been just a $70 commitment.
You mean aside from the multiple times he posted that subscription growth had flattened?
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Skifi28
Member
Who cares what two fat people think.
For the consumer, us, it's still the greatest deal around.
7 years and people still bitter about its existence
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I'm lost and confused.
What's even the point of GamePass anymore ? Can one of the XSheep explain this to me ?
To get an awesome selection of games to play for a monthly fee?
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Schmendrick
Member
Dr.Morris79
Member
Thank you to whoever gifted me Gold. I couldn't find out who it was!
You've saved me from this, daily
Cheers
You've saved me from this, daily
Cheers
It still is a good deal, if you would otherwise have paid for Core, and convert to Ultimate. At these new prices I make the yearly upgrade cost ~$40.
nowhat
Member
Wow, Paul Tassi. It seems the (green) rats are really leaving the sinking ship.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I am hoping for a fat marketing wage from MS, here's my suggestions.
"Day One On Game Pass Ultimate"
I'm a genius!
Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Every subscription is a worse deal than it was after a price increase and they all increase their prices.
PS+ and GP are pretty similar price wise as you go up the tiers. They differ some but it's a really hard sell to say MS offers less of a service when Sony charges $18 for their highest tier and doesn't even have day 1 games.
Don't see how you can by this upset at MS but suggest people go with Sony who did this same thing last year lol.
At the end of the day, console gamers are getting owned and PC gamers are eating.
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RavenSan
Off-Site Inflammatory Member
I was an ult subscriber before -- I'll stay an ult subscriber. I do think it's needless confusing -- but it's not 'dead' lmao -- I don't understand people wanting GamePass to fail. If I'm willing to spend $20 a month instead of buying a new full price game every 3 months, what's the difference to you?
I usually buy COD every year -- so that's effectively 3 months it's 'worth it' for me -- so another 3 "full price" games that I enjoy in a year, and it's a wash.
I know I don't 'own' them -- but I (personally) don't care about that. If I like the game enough, I'll buy it when it goes on sale. I can't tell you how many games I've played, enjoyed, beaten on GamePass that I never would have spent the $60/$70 on.
TL;DR -- it's still a great service worth the money to me.
I usually buy COD every year -- so that's effectively 3 months it's 'worth it' for me -- so another 3 "full price" games that I enjoy in a year, and it's a wash.
I know I don't 'own' them -- but I (personally) don't care about that. If I like the game enough, I'll buy it when it goes on sale. I can't tell you how many games I've played, enjoyed, beaten on GamePass that I never would have spent the $60/$70 on.
TL;DR -- it's still a great service worth the money to me.
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TrebleShot
Member
Well, steam deck with a dock exists, so its kind of there.
Maddoxswe
Member
probably the almighty godThank you to whoever gifted me Gold. I couldn't find out who it was!
You've saved me from this, daily
Cheers
John Marston
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Dr.Morris79
Member
It could be
It normally comes up if it's the golden greatness giver though. Whoever it was, thanks again though!
Mephisto40
Member
I'm upset because it was only about 2 months ago Microsoft had a showcase where every trailer started or ended with "Available day one on gamepass", It didn't say "Available day one on gamepass Ultimate, and only if you give us another $5 a month"
It's ridiculous that people are defending this with "Well Sony does this and that", Microsoft are straight up false advertising at this point
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
You should’ve listened to the ads and grabbed Judgment/Lost and Atomic Heart and SWJ:S. Unless of course you already have.Thank you to whoever gifted me Gold. I couldn't find out who it was!
You've saved me from this, daily
Cheers
Dr.Morris79
Member
Very true. It's just an overpriced rental service at this point. The only reason I actually kept it on so long In the end was my lad was/is hooked on MS flight sim
That's it
I'll just buy him the damn thing which I should have done in the first place instead of being a lazy twonk and letting it lapse.
Dr.Morris79
Member
..I bought everything. I was serious when I said I've gone strictly PC
And thanks to Gaf for pointing out a couple in there I would never have known about.
The only console games I'll buy from now on are physical Switch games, PS5 exclusives, physical. As for the Xbox, I guess they'll be on PC.
Subs? Pffft. Away with yee.
YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
Simply absurd, I can't believe people in here are attempting to defend this. Random price hikes are exactly why we should all be wary of services like GamePass. Microsoft wants everyone completely dependant upon GamePass and the Xbox store for all game purchases. Once you invest in that library it is incredibly difficult to walk away. This is why platform holders such as Microsoft are slowly but surely attempting to phase out physical media. When physical dies then we consumers no longer have control. No more selling, trading or loaning. No more pre-owned cheap games. Just complete dependence.
Gaming is quickly becoming the most anti-consumer space in all of entertainment. A literal micro-transaction riddled, locked-down hellscape where consumers don't have any actual ownership of the products they pay for. Is this really the future anyone wants?
Gaming is quickly becoming the most anti-consumer space in all of entertainment. A literal micro-transaction riddled, locked-down hellscape where consumers don't have any actual ownership of the products they pay for. Is this really the future anyone wants?
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onnextflix5
Member
The only thing game pass had going for it is day one games, this is worse the ps plus premium 
£20 a month for day one games, yeh fuck that
£20 a month for day one games, yeh fuck that
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Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
My original post to you was because you brought up Sony as the more cost effective alternative even though buying the game + lowest tier for online play costs almost exactly the same. You were the one that brought up Sony initially.
Just felt the need to call out the blatant fanboyism and you've done a really poor job at defending yourself lol.
cebri.one
Member
Precisely, that’s why Netflix increased prices and added to the lower tier. Or because Amazon Video now has ads as well.
People try to sold us you were going to get hundreds of games for 10€ a month which was bullshit. Now it’s 18€ a month which is 220~ € a year and this is not the last price increase you’ll see. I expect another one in 12-18 months after GP eats a significant part of CODs revenue.
GP will be sustainable at 25-30€ a month.