SweetTooth
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You meant delusional
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You meant delusional
Taur007
Member
Don't be so dense, Sony has canned more games then announced, I think its safe to say they're struggling (software wise)PS or Nintendo are struggling?
CosmicComet
Member
Zero interest in south of midnight.
I am mildly interested in Clair Obscur, but again it's multiplatform.
Nothing here got me interested in Xbox as a patform.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Xbox has a bright future ahead (this time for realsies, Part XII)
This has the exact same energy as Dallas Cowboys fans claiming this year is finally their year.
onnextflix5
Member
One thing I don’t get is, how is game pass and Xbox live going to survive without a console, as they seem to slowly shutting it down, what happens when cloud gaming dose not take off, what are they going to do then.
You're really underselling Doom DA.It's funny you say that...
South of Midnight - Future flop
Expedition 33 - Future flop
Ninja Gaiden Black 2 - Over/Under 1.5 million in sales?
Doom DA - Over/Under 3 million in sales?
Four titles that project to sell around 5 million copies is strong?
Radical_3d
Member
S0ULZB0URNE
Gold Member
A place with PlayStation and Nintendo gamers?
Aguero9320
Member
Microsoft setting themselves up to dominate when traditional consoles go the way of the dodo… Realise this makes people mad, but it’s become inevitable. Variants of PC and streaming are the future.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
What if streaming kills PC and consoles survive due to ongoing popularity?
I’m kidding, the only thing streaming is going to kill is itself.
mayham2199
Member
Avowed looks like crap to me and I love the Poe games. The previews have been very positive though so who knows.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
You could be right. I assumed it would sell worse than Eternal due to GamePass but it does have the open world effect possibly going for it. That gameplay didn't give me much confidence though.
drganon
Member
Keep telling yourself that. Maybe pigs will fly next.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I don't know if Doom is one of those games PC players will pump and dump Gamepass for.
It'll certainly eliminate Xbox sales, but that's a smaller proportion than PS and PC anyway.
ResilientBanana
Member
Who cares? Good games are good games and that’s all anyone could really want. You own a PS5 because the games are good. Now, you are getting more good games. Why does anything else matter? You won no matter if there are 1 or 2 plastic boxes under your tv.
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DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Only took a quarter century. 360 was a good run.
AmuroChan
Member
Yep, Doom will sell 3 million units on just PS5 alone.
marquimvfs
Member
Well, dying people tend to "see the light" before they die. Maybe that's the bright future they're talking about.
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Moriarty1889
Member
As a publisher no doubt……as a console maker they are done imho.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
I think if Microsoft leaves the console space then a lot of people will care. As pathetic as they have been, the Xbox was still competition to Sony's PlayStation. The Nintendo Switch is a completely different beast that really doesn't directly compete with PlayStation. Competition is what benefits consumers.
As a third party publisher, yes. But can they succeed without the current profits from their hardware, microtransactions, subscriptions and sales cuts form third parties on their own hardware? Their hardware install base is barely hanging on. Without that supporting income, what does Xbox look like? This is why I don't see them giving up hardware anytime soon. Even if they only seel 10-20 million consoles, it's still bringing in some cash they can use to make games.
What is xbox without dedicated hardware for their zealots? There comes a time if sales aren't great, the cost of R&D, promitions etc isn't worth it?
What is xbox without dedicated hardware for their zealots? There comes a time if sales aren't great, the cost of R&D, promitions etc isn't worth it?
"in 30 years we will see who will be laughing", xbox fanboys love to create prospects like this very much
Jibran#one
Member
What I don't understand is if hardware Xbox dies , what happens to gamepass sure as shit Nintendo and especially Sony won't allow gamepass on their console.
I mean if the console dies that makes gamepass s colosol level of failure even though it's still is the best value in gaming no questions asked
I mean if the console dies that makes gamepass s colosol level of failure even though it's still is the best value in gaming no questions asked
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
The op read like a press release. To me, since everything is an xbox, I suppose we all win?
Mister Wolf
Member
The next phase is a hybrid console.
Mephisto40
Gold Member
vaibhavpisal
Member
Yesterday’s show had me second guessing about PC plans.
I will probably be better served by an xbox console if they make one next. Xbox console + gamepass makes for great combination.
Can get pc handheld to cover some other games that I am interested in.
I will probably be better served by an xbox console if they make one next. Xbox console + gamepass makes for great combination.
Can get pc handheld to cover some other games that I am interested in.
RaZoR No1
Member
I mean I agree with all posts that say that MS as a publisher shines or will shine and Xbox as a platform dies or will die...
The only way MS could save Xbox would be:
- release good or better games than Sony (building trust)
- Slowly put one hit after hit back to Xbox only or exclusive features etc.
- gamers want the good MS games (creating desire)
- gamers buy Xbox again
- ???
- profit
This would be a 5D Chess Move and probably impossible to make it work.
But currently nobody really buys an Xbox for its exclusives ...
The only way MS could save Xbox would be:
- release good or better games than Sony (building trust)
- Slowly put one hit after hit back to Xbox only or exclusive features etc.
- gamers want the good MS games (creating desire)
- gamers buy Xbox again
- ???
- profit
This would be a 5D Chess Move and probably impossible to make it work.
But currently nobody really buys an Xbox for its exclusives ...
Cakeboxer
Gold Member
No it won't work. Xbox could release 20 top exclusive games per year and it won't change a thing when it comes to hardware sales. Most casuals are just not interested in exclusives and those are the majority of the Xbox and PlayStation buyers. With Day1 Pc ports and xCloud you just can't sell consoles. Many who are interested in "exclusive" games have a pc and don't need an Xbox.
And even without they wouldn't have a chance. Playstation is the older brand with much more fans. The one chance Xbox had was when Sony fucked up the PS3, but Xbox fucked up the One even more. The only chance for the Xbox brand of "winning" is when consoles are in decline and gaming becomes streaming only. Then they are in a strong position with their studio setup and i don't think Sony could afford to make >300 milion dollar (or by that time probably even much more) games anymore.
Team Andromeda
Member
Amazing Direct showing last night. Game Pass got to be the best deal in gaming history.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
People don't realize that "system sellers" don't really exist anymore and they haven't in a long time with few exceptions: like GTA6. Some games might be system sellers regionally like Black Myth Wukong in China and Monster Hunter Wilds in Japan.
Games largely sell based on the strength of the platform not the other way around.
For Xbox to have a true system seller they would need a ground shattering game that was only available on Xbox and not on PC. They've really never known how to make games like this and to be fair it's super hard to make.
GTA
COD
Pokemon
Mario Kart
Smash Bros
Minecraft
Roblox
Fortnite
These games largely come out once a generation across all publishers. Even popular games like Cyberpunk or Elden Ring do not match up. Microsoft owns Minecraft but it still a multiplatform game and probably would diminish on Xbox only.
There is too much competition for single player and multiplayer games, so unless you're doing something drastically new, you're going to struggle to break through.
Half these games are as popular as they are because they're on every platform or multiple platforms. Like Hogwarts Legacy. Had it been a PS5 exclusive, it would have moved a couple more units, but it would have lost more than half of its sales as a result. Microsoft would love if they could create a game half as popular as Hogwarts Legacy and even that wouldn't have saved Xbox.
DevilHunterX0
Member
So basically a SEGA 2.0
Neofire
Member
Bingo
dragonyeuw
Member
As a publisher, starting with Indy I'm more interested in stuff coming from Xbox's side than Sony and maybe even Nintendo ( of course I don't know what's coming out on Switch 2 but I'm not personally frothing at the mouth for any Mario or Zelda content at present. Metroid Prime 4, absolutely).
As a console, pretty much dead in the water. Being mostly into PC nowadays, I'm good however they choose to slice it.
As a console, pretty much dead in the water. Being mostly into PC nowadays, I'm good however they choose to slice it.
digoutyoursoul
Member
They have done a terrible job with the console.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
PC GamePass would work just as well and have a ton more flexibility. Main issue is the stupid pricing on GPUs due to Nvidia’s greed and AMD’s incompetence.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Of course.
This is purely OCD issue on my part but I would prefer to use steam on PC. Some reports of lower fps on GP games, some reports of bugs etc… but admittedly I haven’t used it myself.
GP on consoles I have used and find it to be great experience.
Kvally
Member
Nah, they are already making more console generations. They aren't going to leave the console space.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Where will Microsoft get their 30% cut without consoles? I don’t think the MS store on PC gets nearly as many buyers. Also, what about GamePass since the majority of them are on consoles? I don’t feel GamePass will grow much (I’m sure it would shrink) without some type of Xbox hardware?
These are the questions that always seem to come to me when people say the hardware is dead and they’ll go complete third-party/publisher next gen.
You are correct. It makes little sense for MS to exit the hardware market this gen and leave their largest GP base with nowhere to jump next gen.
However, MS will not be doing that. MS will be offering a next gen console - most likely, two of them. One will be a handheld console. That one is already confirmed. The other will be a higher-end console/hybrid aimed at a more niche audience willing to foot the bill (it's rumored to be $1000+). The latter has been more or less confirmed by reliable sources (e.g., Sneakers and Heisenberg).
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Nobody said they are leaving the console space "right now". It's not like I expect them to call it quits immediately. What I implied is that, long-term, what they are doing devalues their consoles, and that will result in them leaving the console space eventually.