Xbox has announced a multi-year agreement with AMD to co-engineer new silicon chips for the next-generation of Xbox consoles
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mayham2199
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He's one of the leakers that post on here.
Aguero9320
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I'm hoping they're doing something different than a traditional console, because that shit's going the way of the dodo. Let me play what I want, where I want.
Kacho
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We shall see.I dunno about that, man.
ShadyAcshuns
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I mean, who knows why that is happening? Series consoles are still receiving support and new games, and the systems are still available for purchase. I'd just not listen to the overzealous brand boys and their crazy ideas about gaming if I were you. They only represent a very small portion of gaming fans around the world.
bitbydeath
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MS are hiring for it that much is certain but maybe there are some asterisks around it we'll find out later on.
Topher
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Wait this is going to be a pc (several pcs) running different stores and playing old xbox games using thoses stores? what about the games not available on steam / xbox store? new software bc app for those ? pagingHeisenbergFX4
No, not a PC. Xbox console with Steam integrated into it.
Ultra Donny
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Incoming Dreamcast guy announcement that xbox is dead. The narrative of the twitter warriors seems false. Shock.
HeisenbergFX4
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The best leaker out there that doesnt try to drive you to a site wanting to get clicks
So reliable you have Eurogamer make articles on his leaks
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfo...-specs-leaks-emerge-but-how-capable-can-it-be
I have gone dark on future info, all in due timeWait this is going to be a pc (several pcs) running different stores and playing old xbox games using thoses stores? what about the games not available on steam / xbox store? new software bc app for those ? paging
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viveks86
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How do you reconcile the quotes below to your bolded claim?
It's all getting unified. Xbox = Windows Gaming. They would certainly customize Windows for the console, but a proprietary Xbox OS is extremely unlikely.
Astray
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That's okay by 2026 we will find out that +$1000 systems are good actually and the future of gaming!
Steve Holt
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Heisenberg4X seems to know. Based on their posts they only seem to be interested in releasing new hardware into a very niche market. Doesn't sound like they want to appeal to the masses like the series consoles
Parazels
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DenchDeckard
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Don't do another series s. Or if you do....go to town with the memory. Don't cheap out.
ShadyAcshuns
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He's legit, I was talking about others... Next gen seems like it will be different in a lot of ways for all platforms.
nial
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You don't want 2026 hardware in 2028.
mayham2199
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Something tells me we aren't going to hear the "Just build a PC" narrative by the same people who were preaching that before.
HeisenbergFX4
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viveks86
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The licensing part makes sense. But what about from a technical standpoint? Do you think/know if it will still be a purpose built OS? Or customized Windows OS with a console like UI?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I don't know if it'll be storefronts, actually.
The wording in the video definitely makes it sound like they're leaning into the console side of this thing...well, consoles mainly benefit from having a closed ecosystem, especially with regards to storefronts.
I had to check, but you can access Steam games on devices without needing access to the store itself, you just need to have the Steam client installed. Until they say otherwise, this is what I'm suspecting MS are doing regarding access to other storefront games: they're probably going to have launcher clients pre-installed & configured, and have users sync their libraries on the new devices. There'll be some kind of specific Windows install as a partition accessed by a hypervisor layer to extend Xbox OS functions. That way if you launch a Steam game (for example), it's running in that hypervisor layer, and I guess it'd act like an instant mode switch activating Windows environment functions required to run Steam games on the device.
That should then let the Steam client launch and run the game. Xbox OS-side apps & programs save state to some partition of system memory the Xbox OS runs in (maybe a combination of RAM & SSD? NVRAM like Optane would've been a good choice but that's not made anymore; other NVRAMs are much faster but way more expensive & less capacity per dollar). When you want to access your actual Xbox games, it switches back.
I guess the trick would be in figuring out how to keep the state of applications in both environments aware of one another, so the user can refresh themselves of "oh yeah what was I playing on Xbox Game Pass before I hopped over to play DOTA 2 to Steam?". It shouldn't be too hard tho, since the Windows stuff will (most likely) be extensions running on top of Xbox OS through a hypervisor layer. I'm assuming they'll also modify the Xbox OS kernel to enable something like this, too.
Even so, it's going to require an increase in reserved RAM for the OS...maybe it's time they took a page out of SIE's book and added some cheap DDR system RAM for most OS tasks, swapping in things between that and the reserved area of main RAM only when needed. But in general, I think it's the only way they can:
1: Deliver full Xbox library compatibility with their time constraints
2: Bring some type of value to Xbox they know PlayStation isn't going to do (in part because they can't, unless they decided to put Windows in PS6, which would undermine the PS OS and probably require SIE to be more conservative with certain customizations & APIs, and that'd only likely piss off Mark Cerny & limit his design vision)
3: Ensure some measure of "security" for their own storefront (limiting access of things like Steam to just launcher/client support, but not the actual storefront itself, being installed & accessible on their system)
Worth mentioning, I'm still a bit more curious if that's the extent of what they're planning to do with the hardware. I'm assuming they'll develop a reference APU and model, and still license OEMs to make variants that can adjust some things here and there. But will the OEMs have a financial incentive outside of just selling the hardware itself? If not, then won't that require MS to price their model relatively high, so as not to undercut profit margins of OEMs severely (otherwise the OEMs could just walk)? Will OEMs be able to customize the frontend in any way?
Will the entire OEM thing be based around similar silicon, but primarily running Windows with Xbox-like UI elements like the ROG Xbox Ally? If so how much do they sell for compared to MS's "traditional" Xbox? Since such devices would have storefront access as well as launcher/client access, what does MS's system have to balance against that aside from native support for Xbox games? Does MS price their device super low in comparison (similar problem as with Series S & X), or price it high? How does MS determine the best level for volume production of their system in that type of environment? Do OEM Xbox PCs running that same silicon and Windows 11/12/whatever get to have OEMs implement custom drivers? How does Microsoft guarantee performance targets are hit on those devices if OEMs can design custom drivers? Is MS at all worried that such OEM "Xbox" Windows PC gaming devices basically make a "traditional" Xbox running Xbox OS primarily, obsolete?
And that's before jumping into other questions like will the next Xbox console have PC-like modularity for specific types of upgrades over time, etc.
Ashamam
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Announce a silicon partnership and ship within 18 months? I don't think so, my money is on 2027 earliest. There is no way they beat Sony to market by two years when they are essentially releasing on the same tech platform customisation aside.
I'd be surprised if they beat them to market by six months to be honest, after all everything points to Sonys partnership having several years head start.
I'd be surprised if they beat them to market by six months to be honest, after all everything points to Sonys partnership having several years head start.
ShadyAcshuns
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PS5 Pro users are probably going to feel like they've been shafted if so.
viveks86
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Imagine missing a GTA launch by a few months!
MS must be bribing R* employees just so they slack off and delay the game!
mayham2199
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Why would I care?
Physiognomonics
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Isn't the strategy they did with XSX? thinking it would be a Pro console alongside a normal console that would itself compete with PS5?
Are they going to underestimate Cerny once more?
Bojji
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Next Xbox is in development for quite some time...
bitbydeath
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Running Windows may prevent GTA6 from running on it.
There's not much difference under the hood between Xbox OS and Windows anyway, from a technical perspective getting Xbox One/Series games working on Windows would be easy. It's just the legal issues of 3rd party developers not allowing transferable licenses.
This is just an announcement, they have been working with AMD for many years.
ShadyAcshuns
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If a new gen starts next year? Lots of folks will be upset with such a high price for PS5 Pro if PS6 comes out next year (which I doubt).
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Is it really going to be other stores? Maybe it is just other client launchers of the other storefronts, because that just feels like it makes more sense to me.
If it's other storefronts directly....I don't see how the Xbox Store survives much longer, and I don't see how the system is priced less than $800 minimum if it's offering roughly equivalent performance between a PS5 Pro and what the PS6 might land at (but the PS6 itself, I'm not expecting would cost more than $599, maybe even $549, when it finally releases).
Especially if the alternative storefront access is truly straight upfront, not tied behind Game Pass in some what or what have you. Just feels like it's the only way it'd make financial sense for MS when it comes to other storefronts being accessible. But if it's the client launchers of other storefronts (rather than the storefronts themselves), then that starts sounding like more sense in something still aligned (mainly) with a traditional console.
Like, there's still some risk to bleeding Xbox Store and even Game Pass traffic in that case, but it's nowhere near as severe as if the storefronts themselves are accessible right on the same hardware.
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MrAlwaysRight
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No it isn't, the handheld is, otherwise the handheld would play your digital Xbox Library natively, it doesn't.
HeisenbergFX4
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Ashamam
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But it's the same platform yes? So similar availability constraints I would have thought.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Nope, we'll continue not giving a fuck about Xbox like most people.
I think this thing is dead on arrival.
Loxus
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All that'll happen going forward is that CDNA will be based on RDNA (Navi) instead of GCN (Vega), so I'll more say RDNA5 performance.
Bojji
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PS6 is 2027 and most sane people expected this. People not expecting this have only themselves to blame.
mayham2199
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The PS6 wont come out next year though. Xbox is purposely trying to release early to stay away from PS.
Ashamam
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Use your words? How does Xbox advance a program so far ahead of Sony (2026) and be on par ( or ahead) in technical terms?
mayham2199
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I don't think he can. He's been told to keep it down for now.
HeisenbergFX4
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Wasn't it over a year ago Bond openly told people about the great tech leap ever in the next gen Xbox?
They work closely with AMD and have for a very long time
mrBarrelNut
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Why would anyone not want next gen consoles as soon as possible? I'm all for shorter generations and more up to date gaming experiences.
Ashamam
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They course corrected at least a year after Sony locked in AMD for the PS6. They were still looking at ARM according to documentation.
viveks86
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Currently, you are correct. The Rog Ally isn't the end game though. It's a stop gap. If MS is serious about "Play Anywhere" then that's the route this will eventually go. The bigger hurdle will be licensing issues. Not technology.
DenchDeckard
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I agree tbh. If the ps5 pro had upgraded cou silicone and was more like a light ps6...I would have loved that. Im sure they could come up with more significant upgrades than just gpu silicone.
EverydayBeast
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Chips in consoles is fascinating, 360 was Nivida, PS3 was IBM while AMD has powered the PS4, One over the years.
viveks86
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BoM. It's going to be priced above $1000
Bumblebeetuna
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Two years of absolute gaming bliss with non stop bangers? I'd take that over what Xbox and PS5 has been so far this gen.
lastmessiah
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ARM is an architecture. Both AMD and NVIDIA are developing their own ARM chips.
mayham2199
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I loved my dreamcast and saturn but it's not close to the amount of bangers I've been playing nonstop. At least back then I had time in between games to live life and wait for the next big title. These days I'm literally ignoring games because there's so much stuff coming out. There's been several AAA games that I just don't have time for. Some stuff I move to the front of line others have to wait. Playing Nioh 2 currently because I never got around to it when it came out.